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THEY are trying to give me diabetes
#26888054 - 08/19/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/
im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] 7
#26888073 - 08/19/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: 1234go]
#26888082 - 08/19/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you think they are really trying to GIVE you diabetes? OR is it just an unfortunate effect of the drugs? Antipsychotics over a lifetime are never good imo, unless someone is just too psychotic without them or on a low dose. Talk about a double-edged sword...
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] 5
#26888085 - 08/19/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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gopher said: im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds
If you would just eat a clean diet of lean meat and fresh vegetables and break it down to six small meals and exercise more intensely this would not be a problem.
Face it man, you eat like shit and you don't exercise properly. That's no one elses fault but your own.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26888086 - 08/19/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Althogh that is a good point, APDs especially some of the newer drugs like olanzapine are notorious for causing massive weight gain by somehow modifying metabolism.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
#26888089 - 08/19/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eat moar tide pods.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: InnerWisdom] 1
#26888091 - 08/19/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Althogh that is a good point, APDs especially some of the newer drugs like olanzapine are notorious for causing massive weight gain by somehow modifying metabolism.
Fair; I'm sure lots of medications cause weight gain as a side effect. So if we were on them we should act to mitigate this side effect as best as possible by eating small and clean right?
Instead, OP does this:
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gopher said: I eat a lot of junk food
And then blames _______ for the fact he's out of shape.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26888096 - 08/19/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said:
If you would just eat a clean diet of lean meat and fresh vegetables
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and break it down to six small meals
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and exercise more intensely this would not be a problem.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] 1
#26888123 - 08/19/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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With you writing the posts you have recently, I wouldnt be comfortable with you going off your meds even if they were pepto bismol.
You are verging on doing potentially unhealthy ingestion experiments all the time.
See your doctor about your meds and your condition in general.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante] 1
#26888314 - 08/19/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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We hope u feel better gopher :]
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I just want JSB to elaborate on 6 small meals a day, I think I could pick that apart
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] 1
#26888337 - 08/19/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I won't be doing that. You already know you a. eat shit, and b. don't exercise enough. I'm not going to provide a plan that works well for hundreds of thousands of people so you can 'pick it apart'.
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#26888352 - 08/19/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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gopher said: I just want JSB to elaborate on 6 small meals a day, I think I could pick that apart
If you eat 3 meals and 3 snacks a day you have fairly constant blood glucose, so, if you then apply a modest caloric restriction, you won't be really hungry cause you get starch every 3 hours, so continuous glucose to fuel you.
If you burn 2500 kcal a day and eat 6x 375 kcal of PROPERLY BALANCED FOOD you'll drop a kilo a week, 2.2lbs.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
#26888497 - 08/19/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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theres a correlation between the frequency of snacking increasing and the raise of obesity, in the 1960's there wasnt much obesity and people ate three meals a day with no snacks inbetween, oreos, kitkats and icecream existed by that point,and people ate them, but was eaten after dinner as a dessert, people were not snacking, if you asked your mom for a snack before dinner, you were told "no, you will ruin your dinner", if you asked for one after dinner you were told "you should have eaten more at dinner" same stuff my grandmother told me when I had to stay with her as a kid
so people were eating 3 squares a day, dinner at 6pm and not eating again till breakfast at 8am, this gave the average person a 14 hour fasting window, longer fasting windows are key to balancing your hormones that drive obesity, which is mainly insulin, with cortisol second
insulin makes you fat, you get diabetes and the doctor tells you to lose weight, they turn around and tell you to inject insulin, you start injecting the stuff and your weight which might have been somewhat stable now spirals out of control, you ask the doctor how this helps and a good doctor gets sheepish cause they dont have a good answer, also if you inject insulin in the same spot you will get fatty deposits in that spot over time
so the more times you eat a day, the more times you spike your insulin, the longer you have insulin coursing through you the more insulin resistant you become, just like antibiotic resistance, or drug tolerance, your body will become resistant to the effects of insulin, and your pancreas will start pumping out more and more insulin over time to do the same job, now remembering that insulin drives obesity the more you are pumping out, the fatter you will get
to say weight loss is 100% caloric restriction is ignoring the effect of hormones on weightlos, doctors have been telling people to "Move More & Eat Less" for decades but the obesity epidemic has only gotten worse, it only seems to work for a very select few of people, when you restrict energy in, your body will naturally restrict energy out, and it becomes a vicious cycle of restricting more and more to keep losing weight till it becomes unsustainable, you go back to eating your original amount of calories and you put the weight back on plus more because you slowed your metabolism, and worse everybody makes fun of you for not being able to stick to your diet, so I disagree with eat less, move more I have a harder time arguing with, even my weight loss coach says never sit, if you simply stand for the 16 hours you are awake you will burn about an extra 1600 calories a day, I recently bought a skateboard thinking I would ride it 10 hours a day like when I was 15, but theres no where paved by my house and I get bored ollieing in the dirt after 10 minutes, so that was a waste of $150 trying to get myself to move more
you said you would get less hungry eating 6 meals a day, but I dont think thats true either, grehlin is the hunger hormone, and it spikes as you anticipate food, so if you get into the habbit of eating 6 times a day, grehlin will spike 6 times a day, plus it comes and goes, say you were eating 3 times a day at 8am - noon- 6pm like I said earlier, lets say you are busy at work and dont have time to take your lunch, you will be hungry at 1pm, but by the time you are going home at 4 or 5 pm you wont even notice you had skipped lunch, because grehlin comes and goes in waves
I may complain about not losing weight as fast as I think I should, but less then 2 years ago I was obese at 220 pounds, and today im like 3 pounds overweight at 167 pounds, and I had a 6 month fuck up between september 2019 and february 2020 where I fell off the wagon due to extreme insomnia in september
Dr. Satchin panda has a bunch of research into time restricted eating you could read and Dr. Rhonda Patrick is his biggest fangirl and she has done multiple Joe Rogan interviews if you rather watch something
Dr Jason Fung is a nerphologist from Toronto Canada who fasts most of his patients, as the leading cause of kidney disease is dibetes, so he starts with reversing their diabetes, he wrote my favourite book The Obeisty Code which is only $20 on Amazon, and he also has multiple youtube interviews to promote his stuff if you dont want to read his book
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
#26888534 - 08/19/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I put on 60lbs from seroquel. When i quit taking it, i lost most of the weight.
Insulin doesnt necessarily make you fat. If you lift weights, it makes you get strong faster.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: morrowasted]
#26888554 - 08/19/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I put on 60lbs from seroquel. When i quit taking it, i lost most of the weight.
I only lost 10lbs when I quit taking that stuff, I ballooned up to 230 and naturally dropped to 220 without doing anything different
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Insulin doesnt necessarily make you fat. If you lift weights, it makes you get strong faster.
I meant to write that its anabolic in my post but it slipped my mind, but should you really be in a anabolic state for most of the day plus growth hormone is one of the counter regulatory hormones to insulin, so when your insulin is low growth hormone spikes and by a lot
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] 1
#26888740 - 08/19/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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1: Solicit advice in the pub.
2: Disagree with advice given.
3: ???
4: Profit.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
#26888748 - 08/19/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didnt solicit any advice in this thread, if you really want to enlighten me then convince me that my insulin drives obesity argument is wrong, but you would have to have a really good argument to shift me off that paradigm
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
#26888755 - 08/19/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you are on seroquel (which does have a diabetic an obesity connection) and quit that, whatever mental condition you have will flare up worse than it was because you have been repressing it and now you get seroquel withdrawal which includes enhanced mental illness such as psychosis, tics, mania and the like
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
#26888759 - 08/19/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I quit the seroquel in 2015
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