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THEY are trying to give me diabetes
    #26888054 - 08/19/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/

im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 7
    #26888073 - 08/19/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: 1234go]
    #26888082 - 08/19/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think they are really trying to GIVE you diabetes? OR is it just an unfortunate effect of the drugs? Antipsychotics over a lifetime are never good imo, unless someone is just too psychotic without them or on a low dose. Talk about a double-edged sword...


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 5
    #26888085 - 08/19/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds



If you would just eat a clean diet of lean meat and fresh vegetables and break it down to six small meals and exercise more intensely this would not be a problem.

Face it man, you eat like shit and you don't exercise properly. That's no one elses fault but your own.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26888086 - 08/19/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Althogh that is a good point, APDs especially some of the newer drugs like olanzapine are notorious for causing massive weight gain by somehow modifying metabolism.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888089 - 08/19/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Eat moar tide pods.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26888091 - 08/19/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Althogh that is a good point, APDs especially some of the newer drugs like olanzapine are notorious for causing massive weight gain by somehow modifying metabolism.



Fair; I'm sure lots of medications cause weight gain as a side effect. So if we were on them we should act to mitigate this side effect as best as possible by eating small and clean right?

Instead, OP does this:

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gopher said:
I eat a lot of junk food



And then blames _______ for the fact he's out of shape.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26888096 - 08/19/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:

If you would just eat a clean diet of lean meat and fresh vegetables






correct

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and break it down to six small meals





wrong

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and exercise more intensely this would not be a problem.




corect


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26888123 - 08/19/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

With you writing the posts you have recently, I wouldnt be comfortable with you going off your meds even if they were pepto bismol.

You are verging on doing potentially unhealthy ingestion experiments all the time.

See your doctor about your meds and your condition in general.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26888314 - 08/19/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We hope u feel better gopher :]


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26888319 - 08/19/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I just want JSB to elaborate on 6 small meals a day, I think I could pick that apart


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26888337 - 08/19/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No, I won't be doing that. You already know you a. eat shit, and b. don't exercise enough. I'm not going to provide a plan that works well for hundreds of thousands of people so you can 'pick it apart'.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 2
    #26888352 - 08/19/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just want JSB to elaborate on 6 small meals a day, I think I could pick that apart





If you eat 3 meals and 3 snacks a day you have fairly constant blood glucose, so, if you then apply a modest caloric restriction, you won't be really hungry cause you get starch every 3 hours, so continuous glucose to fuel you.

If you burn 2500 kcal a day and eat 6x 375 kcal of PROPERLY BALANCED FOOD you'll drop a kilo a week, 2.2lbs.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26888497 - 08/19/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

theres a correlation between the frequency of snacking increasing and the raise of obesity, in the 1960's there wasnt much obesity and people ate three meals a day with no snacks inbetween, oreos, kitkats and icecream existed by that point,and people ate them, but was eaten after dinner as a dessert, people were not snacking, if you asked your mom for a snack before dinner, you were told "no, you will ruin your dinner", if you asked for one after dinner you were told "you should have eaten more at dinner" same stuff my grandmother told me when I had to stay with her as a kid

so people were eating 3 squares a day,  dinner at 6pm and not eating again till breakfast at 8am, this gave the average person a 14 hour fasting window, longer fasting windows are key to balancing your hormones that drive obesity, which is mainly insulin, with cortisol second

insulin makes you fat, you get diabetes and the doctor tells you to lose weight, they turn around and tell you to inject insulin, you start injecting the stuff and your weight which might have been somewhat stable now spirals out of control, you ask the doctor how this helps and a good doctor gets sheepish cause they dont have a good answer, also if you inject insulin in the same spot you will get fatty deposits in that spot over time

so the more times you eat a day, the more times you spike your insulin, the longer you have insulin coursing through you the more insulin resistant you become, just like antibiotic resistance, or drug tolerance, your body will become resistant to the effects of insulin, and your pancreas will start pumping out more and more insulin over time to do the same job, now remembering that insulin drives obesity the more you are pumping out, the fatter you will get

to say weight loss is 100% caloric restriction is ignoring the effect of hormones on weightlos, doctors have been telling people to "Move More & Eat Less" for decades but the obesity epidemic has only gotten worse, it only seems to work for a very select few of people, when you restrict energy in, your body will naturally restrict energy out, and it becomes a vicious cycle of restricting more and more to keep losing weight till it becomes unsustainable, you go back to eating your original amount of calories and you put the weight back on plus more because you slowed your metabolism, and worse everybody makes fun of you for not being able to stick to your diet, so I disagree with eat less, move more I have a harder time arguing with, even my weight loss coach says never sit, if you simply stand for the 16 hours you are awake you will burn about an extra 1600 calories a day, I recently bought a skateboard thinking I would ride it 10 hours a day like when I was 15, but theres no where paved by my house and I get bored ollieing in the dirt after 10 minutes, so that was a waste of $150 trying to get myself to move more

you said you would get less hungry eating 6 meals a day, but I dont think thats true either, grehlin is the hunger hormone, and it spikes as you anticipate food, so if you get into the habbit of eating 6 times a day, grehlin will spike 6 times a day, plus it comes and goes, say you were eating 3 times a day at 8am - noon- 6pm like I said earlier, lets say you are busy at work and dont have time to take your lunch, you will be hungry at 1pm, but by the time you are going home at 4 or 5 pm you wont even notice you had skipped lunch, because grehlin comes and goes in waves

I may complain about not losing weight as fast as I think I should, but less then 2 years ago I was obese at 220 pounds, and today im like 3 pounds  overweight at 167 pounds, and I had a 6 month fuck up between september 2019 and february 2020 where I fell off the wagon due to extreme insomnia in september

Dr. Satchin panda has a bunch of research into time restricted eating you could read and Dr. Rhonda Patrick is his biggest fangirl and she has done multiple Joe Rogan interviews if you rather watch something

Dr Jason Fung is a nerphologist from Toronto Canada who fasts most of his patients, as the leading cause of kidney disease is dibetes, so he starts with reversing their diabetes, he wrote my favourite book The Obeisty Code which is only $20 on Amazon, and he also has multiple youtube interviews to promote his stuff if you dont want to read his book


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888534 - 08/19/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I put on 60lbs from seroquel. When i quit taking it, i lost most of the weight.

Insulin doesnt necessarily make you fat. If you lift weights, it makes you get strong faster.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: morrowasted]
    #26888554 - 08/19/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I put on 60lbs from seroquel. When i quit taking it, i lost most of the weight.




I only lost 10lbs when I quit taking that stuff, I ballooned up to 230 and naturally dropped to 220 without doing anything different

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Insulin doesnt necessarily make you fat. If you lift weights, it makes you get strong faster.




I meant to write that its anabolic in my post but it slipped my mind, but should you really be in a anabolic state for most of the day plus growth hormone is one of the counter regulatory hormones to insulin, so when your insulin is low growth hormone spikes and by a lot


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26888740 - 08/19/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

1: Solicit advice in the pub.

2: Disagree with advice given.

3: ???

4: Profit.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
    #26888748 - 08/19/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt solicit any advice in this thread, if you really want to enlighten me then convince me that my insulin drives obesity argument is wrong, but you would have to have a really good argument to shift me off that paradigm


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888755 - 08/19/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you are on seroquel (which does have a diabetic an obesity connection) and quit that, whatever mental condition you have will flare up worse than it was because you have been repressing it and now you get seroquel withdrawal which includes enhanced mental illness such as psychosis, tics, mania and the like


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26888759 - 08/19/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I quit the seroquel in 2015


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888762 - 08/19/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not here to convince you of anything remember? Post your sources and enlighten me.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
    #26888773 - 08/19/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888775 - 08/19/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What are you arguing?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888778 - 08/19/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

gopher said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/

im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds




170 pounds is a decent weight for an adult male.  Unless you're 5'3"


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
    #26888779 - 08/19/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

weightgain is mainly driven by insulin


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888781 - 08/19/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

To what end? Why should I care?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Patlal]
    #26888789 - 08/19/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

gopher said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/

im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds




170 pounds is a decent weight for an adult male.  Unless you're 5'3"




im 5'8, 170 pounds is like 6 pounds overweight, my goal weight is 130 pounds before I put on any muscle, that will put me at a 20 BMI, I dont really want to gain any muscle before I lose the weight because the the BMI chart becomes useless cause it dosnt account for muscle


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Shiithead]
    #26888796 - 08/19/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
To what end? Why should I care?




I dont know, you put yourself in this thread, so I latched on to that


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26888798 - 08/19/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Same


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Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 5
    #26888820 - 08/19/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What is the purpose of attaining a bmi of 20 simply to gain a bmi of 20? The goal should be overall health. By building muscle you increase the number of insulin receptors on skeletal muscle relative to the number of insulin receptors on adipose tissue. The insulin will transport the glucose into your muscles where it will be stored as glycogen rather than fat. Thus you keep your blood sugar lower, lose weight, get stronger all at once. Having lots of lean body mass has many benefits beyond helping you maintain a healthy weight. Your muscle mass begins to degenerate as you age, prediposing you to falls. Believe it or not, complications resulting from fall fractures are a major cause of death in the elderly. If you think you will gain weight by lifting weights withouy increasing your calories... you wont. You have to be in a surplus to gain weight. By maintaining the same caloric intake you will just shift body mass from fat to muscle. This is the best to reduce your chances of developing metabolic disorders

My bmi is 23.5 but my risk of developing diabetes is still lower than many people out there with a bmi of 20 because i have around 13% body fat. Theres plenty of folks out there with a bmi of 20 who have a body fat of 20%.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: morrowasted]
    #26888936 - 08/19/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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By building muscle you increase the number of insulin receptors on skeletal muscle relative to the number of insulin receptors on adipose tissue. The insulin will transport the glucose into your muscles where it will be stored as glycogen rather than fat.





This was an a-ha moment for me. Pure logic, but I hadn't realized it.

My conclusion too is that the healthiest way of losing weight is what bodybuilders call Cutting: swapping adipose for muscle mass as much as possible while dropping weight overall with healthy eating.

This explains part of my interest in low dose anabolic steroids: not just does it GREATLY help with the injuries of obesity but it builds all possible tissues, even bone, at the expense of adipose tissues.

Doing the best you can, physically, at high-normal androgenic levels is bound to give better results than on medium-normal levels.

My impression is that if you prevent muscle loss and even come to muscle growth, you prevent the yoyo effect of losing and gaining.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26889220 - 08/19/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don't forget insulin carries amino acids into cells, and is necessary for building muscle.  This the main reason body builders after a heavy session take a high glycemic index carb with their protein.  To increase the net migration of AAs into cells.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26889651 - 08/20/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702456/

im going to have to go off the drugs they put me on, this is why I am not at my goal weight yet and have plateaued at 170 pounds, if I lost 6 pounds that would put me from a overweight BMI to a normal weight BMI, but I just cant lose these 6 pounds, in fact im trying to lose 30-40 more pounds




170 pounds is a decent weight for an adult male.  Unless you're 5'3"




im 5'8, 170 pounds is like 6 pounds overweight, my goal weight is 130 pounds before I put on any muscle, that will put me at a 20 BMI, I dont really want to gain any muscle before I lose the weight because the the BMI chart becomes useless cause it dosnt account for muscle




How about you use your stored fat as energy for your workouts?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Patlal]
    #26889883 - 08/20/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

since this thread turned into building lean mass, mice fed in a 9 hour window had decrease in bodyfat and a increase in lean mass, on a variety of diets

https://www.foundmyfitness.com/episodes/satchin-panda

its a long video, skip to 34 minutes if you dont want to learn about lights effect on circadian rhythm, at 34 minutes he talks about the study he did on mice


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26889892 - 08/20/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You tryna get dem mouse gainz brah?

That hella tight!!


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Patlal]
    #26889899 - 08/20/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

it probably translates to humans as food will similarly effect humans internal clocks


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 2
    #26889923 - 08/20/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You sure have an incredibly bizarre way of going about feeding your body.

'I know, I'll see what happens if mice do fasting and experiment with feeding myself borax!'


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26889933 - 08/20/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

this thread isnt about borax, its about you triggering me with saying that 6 small meals a day is better then 3 (or less)

I just queried what the most obese province was in Canada for someone elses thread and it led me into a interesting correlation

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/and-canada-s-most-overweight-province-is-1.1212772

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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26890051 - 08/20/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You started this whole thread because I postulated that eating six small (clean) meals a day does more for weight loss than eating three or less?

Huh..

I wonder why it works so well for so many people out there.. the amount of calories burned to fuel ones digestion must surely be a factor, no?


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26890228 - 08/20/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Intermittent fasting works just as well for so many people too, theres almost a million people on the IF subreddit losing weight and singing its praise

its the snack food companies that came out with the eat multiple times a day, and telling people to eat less dosnt make anybody money

if you counted your calories like a hawk, and had a iron will, and didnt care about your insulin being spiked, you could lose weight on a 6 meal a day plan, but I wouldnt call it the easiest way or even healthy to have a longer eating window, you dont need to eat breakfast as soon as your feet hit the floor and you dont need to eat up untill you go to bed

Subjects given mandatory snacks would consume fewer calories at thier meals but not enough to offset the calories in the snack itself https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/131/10/2775S/4686468

increased meal frequency dose not promote greater weightloss https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19943985/


I think eating frequency is one thing the ancients got right, religions all preach it, the romans fasted, it wasnt till the last 60 years we started increasing meal frequency and it coincides with the rise of obesity


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26890236 - 08/20/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Who said anything about 'snacks'?

Nearly everyone I know that eats more than three times a day is eating fish/chicken and vegetables and is in great shape.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26890248 - 08/20/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I still think regardless of what you are eating, if you are not counting your calories and have a uncommon will power to stick to your calorie count, you are going to eat more on a greater number of meals a day diet, then you would eating less meals  in a shorter window

and it isnt even the amount of meals that bothers me, its just that it stretches out the window, if you ate 6 meals in a 10  hour window or less, your giving your body a break from insulin at least


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26890315 - 08/20/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

that article was quite dramatic when it got to 20:4, and totally botched the last one, 5:2 and ADF are separate routines

with 5:2 you are just fasting 2 days a week

with ADF you are fasting every other day, so its a 36-48 hour fast every time

I personally do a 4:3 routine, so its like a 40:8 ADF during the week days and 16:8 on the weekend, so I basically dont eat Monday, Wednesday, Friday


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891015 - 08/21/20 02:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wanna hear DRAMATIC?

Of the ppl with obesity..

Know how many can lose the weight and keep it off

for just 5 years?

5 fucking years in a lifetime?

less than 5%.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/changepower/201010/why-diets-dont-work-and-what-does

For men with severe obesity the figure drops to less than 1 in 1000

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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26891028 - 08/21/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

thats following the traditional eat less, move more, I already knew that it had abysmal success rates, its been prescribed for decades and it only works for a very select few of people

so I have only been fasting for 1 year 8 months, according to a post I made here where I said I just started OMAD, so im still quite short of the 5 year mark, maybe ill remember to bump this thread in 3 years 4 months from now and have a more longer term outlook

traditionally low carb diets were prescribed before calories were discovered, Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin wrote in his textbook in 1825

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The second of the chief causes of obesity is the floury and starchy substances which man makes the prime ingredients of his daily nourishment. As we have said already, all animals that live on farinaceous food grow fat willy-nilly; and man is no exception to the universal law




in 1863 William Banting published the pamphlet Letter on Corpulence, Addressed to the Public which is considered to be the worlds oldest diet book, he wrote it after losing weight on a low carbohydrate diet, after he failed to lose weight eating less and taking up rowing on The River Thames

low carbohydrate diets were standard advice untill about the 1950's, Im not entirely sure why I brought this up, I dont have numbers to back up that it was more successful other then the 2 people I mentioned above, but its just some food for thought


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891079 - 08/21/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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THEY are trying to give me diabetes




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    #26891086 - 08/21/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ketosis is an emergency auxiliary system in case of unwholesome foods, not a way of life.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26891150 - 08/21/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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THEY are trying to give me diabetes




Says the guy who wants to add neat glucose to his foods.




its not like im adding glucose to all my foods, but once every 1-2 months I like to drink a orange pekoe, and I cant do that without sugar and milk, its not like coffee where I can easily drink it black, also even rarer then once every two months I like to bake something, dextrose happens to be ever so slightly healthier then sucrose due to the lack of fructose, so I decided to buy some to try


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Ketosis is an emergency auxiliary system in case of unwholesome foods, not a way of life.




I dont even know what you mean by unwolesome foods

I dont think we were ever meant to be in ketosis 100% of the time, I think we evolved to cycle in and out of it in times of starvation and times of abundance, considering we are tropical creatures so there should have always been carbs available to us year round, maybe white people were in ketosis a lot more, during winter in a colder climate only eating shit like mammoth or something


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891299 - 08/21/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ketosis is a backup mechanism for producing energy in times where it isnt available externally. Nothing more. Whether or not it is good to cycle in an out of ketosis is still up for debate. Some evidence seems to indicate that reintroducing glucose during ketosis can damage the endothelium of your blood vessels and may lead to cardiovascular disease. Other evidence seems to indicate that periods of starvation improve longevity by reducing the release of growth factors and thus reducing the incidence of cancer.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26891410 - 08/21/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How does your girlfriend feel about your extreme dieting?


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    #26891498 - 08/21/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

she dosnt care what I do, it bothers me that she gets up 2-3 times a night to eat though, I told her she should only eat between 8am-8pm


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    #26891728 - 08/21/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26939123 - 09/16/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19814947/

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Olanzapine-treated patients showed a significantly greater increase than risperidone-treated patients in a fasting measure of insulin resistance (P = .041), and olanzapine patients showed greater decreases in insulin sensitivity during OGTT (P = .023) compared to risperidone-treated patients.





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Prolactin levels decreased in olanzapine patients and increased in risperidone patients





This Risperidone shit is poison and I have been taking it for like 2-3 years, when my disability runs out in January, no way im going to be paying for this shit out of pocket, I bet I start losing weight faster too when Im off it

my doctor should prescibe me adderal instead, much rather be on a stim, besides I only have psychotic thoughts for like a month every 3 or so years, I dont know why I take this stuff everyday when 99% of the time im not even delusional


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939164 - 09/16/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You are having delusional thoughts right now.


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    #26939169 - 09/16/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

no im not, thinking anti-psychotics are trash is a perfectly reasonable thought


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939193 - 09/16/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Gopher, if you get off antipsychotics and onto a stim you will grow increasingly psychotic until you are hospitalized.

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    #26939198 - 09/16/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

a medicinal amount isnt going to make me crazy, im not talking about snorting huge lines


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939207 - 09/16/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

With stims it can behard to keep it medicinal.

Even so, tapering or quitting antipsychotics in itself may trigger a psychosis and any about of stim added to it makes it worse.

Antipsychotics work because they are dopamine d2 antagonists.
Stims are dopamine d2 agonists.

For a person with the susceptability you might as well call stims "psychotic drugs".


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939210 - 09/16/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

you want to weigh 130lbs at 5'8??

just go to the gym and do cardio.  drink a lot of water.  eat enough nutrients so that your digestive tract has the energy it needs to actually metabolize the food you are giving it and move the junk out of your system.  the numbers everywhere are statistically weighted averages; they are a guide not a hard line.

i suggest making sure you are taking nutrients in and excreting them in a healthy manner first.  once you have that plate spinning, exercise and drink enough water and electrolytes so you are not ruining your homeostasis by excreting too much perspiration.

exercise so it is fulfilling and feels good afterwards, not so it's painful and a chore.  you improve quick at first.

once you have that all manageable, just do iso14001.  it takes time to change flab into muscle.  there's not much difference, really, except flab is loose and not full of blood and water, muscle is full of blood and water.  to get bloodflow to flab, you gotta use the part of your body.  it just takes time.

once you are very routine, you will notice that environmental factors affect you a LOT.  those hard numbers kind of go down the drain.  that bare minimum set of meals will be too much sometimes, and other times you will need a couple oatmeal cream pies or clif bars or a gallon of icecream just to keep up with your routine.

if you want to look like a photograph, eat tons of protein, work out and jack off a lot.  you'll get plenty of insulin from that.

if you want balls and ego so when bitches step you don't shake, eat and move and work your legs; especially cardio like a football player.  if someone smacks you, you want them hitting armor and if you gotta run you wanna be able to move your mass quick.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939211 - 09/16/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It’s more so the chem I general.  Even just therapeutic doses of amps over a long of time cause a host of nasty side effects & changes in the body & brain & personality.  It’s just inevitable cause & effect of the drug on our mammal body over time.  Ive seen so many people who take it normal for years without abusing it - and after several years on they are different and once they stop altogether they seem worse off in some ways.

I know there’s a balance to be made with these types of powerful meds (risks vs benefits) but I generally think amp use is unnecessary in more than half the people who take them.    That’s how it seems to me.

It’s powering you up with the effects it induces by overtaxing you - and that tax adds up and is paid eventually in some way or another - bc it’s just nature taking it’s course.  Like borrowing / getting a loan today but with money you don’t actually have yet.  Maybe not the best way to put it - but I’m tired , so at least I tried to warn you.  Plus you already know from Kratom, dependence & addiction suck ass and cloud our natural primal awareness & primal energy.  Why add another into the mix?  Just to quickly n easily lot weight?  Not worth when it can be done with classic exercise & a good diet & wholesome & holistic lifestyle imho.

One of the main psych test(s) for being officially diagnosed for these things is like 6-7 hours long.  A lot of people never even get it done but still get prescribed... sketch :shrug:


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    #26939349 - 09/16/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Prolactin levels decreased in olanzapine patients




Not seeing the problem here. Prolactin inhibition is one of the many gifts LSD has to offer. It makes it possible for a man to have multiple orgasms without losing his erection.

If you really don't think you need to the antipsychotics, talk to your doctor about how to stop them safely. I took them for a while even though I didn't need them. In truth, part of the reason they thought I did need them was simply that I abused adderall and vyvanse at the time. I couldn't see it, but the stuff made me into a weirdo with delusional thoughts- delusions of grandeur, delusions of persecution. It's no wonder the psychiatrist thought I needed seroquel and olanzapine.

Once I quit taking stimulants, it became clear quickly that I didn't actually need those antipsychotics. So I quit taking them.

Not saying this is the case for you necessarily.


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    #26939358 - 09/16/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

cause im on the rispiridone not the olanzapine


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: gopher]
    #26939431 - 09/16/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Before you cut your meds, cut down eating of excessive junk and carbs.
Train a lot!
See how you feel.
Lots of data about ketosis as tool to overcome scitzo.
Talk with your doctor.

SELFCARE is the keyword here IMHO that you must learn to integrate in your life to get results and before starting to cut medices off.
You want to feel good when you start that prosess, as good as possible anyway:shrug:

my 2 cents on the subject.
Have cutted medicine out of my life.
was not nice at first. Started take better care of myself, things got better quick.
You can do this Bro!
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Edit: Lots of data about keto being good for type 2 diabetes all so.


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    #26939560 - 09/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If you really don't think you need to the antipsychotics, talk to your doctor about how to stop them safely. I took them for a while even though I didn't need them. In truth, part of the reason they thought I did need them was simply that I abused adderall and vyvanse at the time. I couldn't see it, but the stuff made me into a weirdo with delusional thoughts- delusions of grandeur, delusions of persecution. It's no wonder the psychiatrist thought I needed seroquel and olanzapine.

Once I quit taking stimulants, it became clear quickly that I didn't actually need those antipsychotics. So I quit taking them.






This is a story that is true for way more people than realize it. A lot of people who take something against anxiety wouold not have this anxiety if they didnt drink coffee and smoked cigs to raise blood pressure and heart rate, and a lot of social and generalized anxiety and decreased functioning simply comes for some people when they smoke weed every day.

Generally, if you have a psychologic weakness, social and recreational drugs can make these worse.

Its often forgotten, also at the doctors office. "but everybody drinks coffee." yup, and many cant handle it but dont realize it because they are in the habit of doing it daily and it doesnt seem to do much.


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    #26939573 - 09/16/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

when I used to smoke weed mixing coffee and weed fucked me up


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    #26939724 - 09/16/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Before you cut your meds, cut down eating of excessive junk and carbs.
Train a lot!



QFT. This is really all you need do gopher. Train 10x harder than you are now, and eat 10x cleaner.

You'll see results in no time, without need for any fad supplements or bigoted weight coaches.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: morrowasted]
    #26939922 - 09/16/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Prolactin levels decreased in olanzapine patients




Not seeing the problem here. Prolactin inhibition is one of the many gifts LSD has to offer. It makes it possible for a man to have multiple orgasms without losing his erection.

If you really don't think you need to the antipsychotics, talk to your doctor about how to stop them safely. I took them for a while even though I didn't need them. In truth, part of the reason they thought I did need them was simply that I abused adderall and vyvanse at the time. I couldn't see it, but the stuff made me into a weirdo with delusional thoughts- delusions of grandeur, delusions of persecution. It's no wonder the psychiatrist thought I needed seroquel and olanzapine.

Once I quit taking stimulants, it became clear quickly that I didn't actually need those antipsychotics. So I quit taking them.

Not saying this is the case for you necessarily.




Sounds more like a nightmare than a gift.


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: poofdargon]
    #26939932 - 09/16/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dont worry about being 6 frickin' pounds off course according to your BMI of all things.

I'm "over weight" according to my BMI. im 6'2" 200 pounds. I'm not even close to being acctually overweight. I'm not even a little chubby. I acctually have quite an athletic build.

You need to throw more than height and weight into the equation to get an accurate assessment of your health. Waist circumference at the very least.

just burn more calories than you take in if it bothers you so much.

all these "snack throughout the day to keep your sugar and insulin stable" " fast for as long as you can and eat weird ass trendy diet things once you do finally eat." are just strategies that some people may chose to use but no matter how to decide to execute your plan, at the end of the day, you have to burn more calories than you take in. if you do that, you will lose weight. just remember that.


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    #26939956 - 09/17/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was referring to the multiple orgasms without losing your erection.


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    #26940011 - 09/17/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I was referring to the multiple orgasms without losing your erection.



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    #26940104 - 09/17/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I was referring to the multiple orgasms without losing your erection.



It is badass if youre actually having sex :shrug:

Not saying it gives you priapism where you literally cant get rid of your erection. It just makes it so that the erection doesnt immediately go away after you nut, and if you wanna keep fucking you can. And you can nut again. Continuing to have sex immediately after nutting is an interesting experience. It feels very different. The penis is so sensitive at that point its like you feel half an orgasm the entire time youre having sex. Then the actual orgasms get successively more intense


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: morrowasted]
    #26940163 - 09/17/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Gopher, if you hate the side effects of antipsychotics (and who doesn't) you might want to try taking a single daily dose of haloperidol in the evening. If you do, it acts as a sleeping pill, you oversleep most side effects and antipsychotic effects stay with you for most of the day.

Its far less fattening or side effects prone if you can keep your doses modest - if thats possible for you. Its also dirt cheap, if you're uninsured, espoecially the 5mg tabs which can be broken into 4's.

I think if you present it to your doctor like "I'm fucking going to quit this drug, can I try nighttime haldol as opposed to no antipsychotic at all" your doctor would rather give the haldol a whirl than have you go on without an antipsychotic.

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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: Asante]
    #26940165 - 09/17/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

the one thing haldol is it's one the very worst offenders with relation to developing extrapyramidal side effects (tardive dyskinesia etc.)

I'm not sure the dose/length of treatment you have to be taking to start being concerned about them though


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    #26940174 - 09/17/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

True that, but if you look at them side by side, while olanzapine seems friendlier for the patient, I think its much more side effect prone than oldfashioned haldol.

Its especially high doses and long duration or many dose changes that trigger TD.

All antipsychotics suck, haldol is just the historically most used one and therefore the best known one in terms of adverse effects.

The second generation of antipsychotics fails to impress me, they tend to hit a whole bunch of receptors in a grape shot that happens to include antipsychotic effect. Haldol is very cut and dry in that regard.

Nonetheless they aren't drugs doctors happily prescribe to anyone.

Which first generation drug would you consider least associated with extrapyramidal side effects? Without covering them up with antihistaminic effects, of course!


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Re: THEY are trying to give me diabetes [Re: morrowasted]
    #26940175 - 09/17/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

In 2012 I read a book called anatomy of an epidemic that says if you start to block dopamine recptors your brain grows new ones and the drugs become useless, but I tried finding the book to look over again but lost it, I tried to ddg the pdf but then I found out its a scientolgy book so I kinda dont trust it now, the people at the book store who sold me the book told me not to take my meds


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    #26940178 - 09/17/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Doctors are generally better at assessing your ability to do without antipsychotics than book store employees.


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    #26940184 - 09/17/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Which first generation drug would you consider least associated with extrapyramidal side effects? Without covering them up with antihistaminic effects, of course!


they pretty much all have them but I believe the phenothiazine class is slightly less associates with EPS. but those are associated with the possbility of agranulocytosis and require regular bloodwork. there's really no magic bullet


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    #26940189 - 09/17/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

is there something I can take to increase dopamine, like 5htp increases serotonin?


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    #26940193 - 09/17/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

in terms of OTC stuff, N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine (NALT)

pharmaceutical levodopa is used for parkinsons, it is a dopamine prodrug

I've tried NALT it though and personally it makes me feel shitty.

dopamine does a lot of things other than make you feel "reward". just increasing the amount of dopamine you have isn't a fantastic strategy for feeling reward. a better idea is to try to increase the number of dopamine receptors in the specific circuit involved in reward, or at least inhibit the reduction of those receptors through dopamine-stimulating drug use. NMDA antagonists like magnesium, agmatine sulfate, and ketamine appear to do this. I made a thread about it, lemme see if I can dig it up

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Pathology of tolerance development to d1 receptor activation in the nucleus accumbens:

↑Extracellular Dopamine -> D1 receptor agonism -> NMDA receptor activation -> ↑ Intracellular Ca2+ ion -> ↑Intracellular cAMP -> PKA activation -> ↑pCREB (CREB phosphorylation) -> ↑ΔFosB accumulation -> HDAC1 overexpression -> c-Fos downregulation.



As you can see, induction of c-Fos is NMDAr-dependent. This is the rationale behind the use of NMDA receptor antagonists for the attenuation of D1-mediated psychostimulant tolerance.

commonly available NMDAr antagonists used for this purpose include magnesium l-threonate, agmatine, ketamine, and memantine. DXM, PCP, and alcohol also do this but they're not good choices.

Agmatine is my personal favorite of these. I don't use it to prevent tolerance, though. It makes me feel increasingly focused over time. also great for lifting weights


Amphetamine and Dopamine-Induced Immediate Early Gene Expression in Striatal Neurons Depends on Postsynaptic NMDA Receptors and Calcium

Of course, the best way to avoid developing a tolerance to a substance is not to use it.




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    #26940243 - 09/17/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I was referring to the multiple orgasms without losing your erection.



It is badass if youre actually having sex :shrug:

Not saying it gives you priapism where you literally cant get rid of your erection. It just makes it so that the erection doesnt immediately go away after you nut, and if you wanna keep fucking you can. And you can nut again. Continuing to have sex immediately after nutting is an interesting experience. It feels very different. The penis is so sensitive at that point its like you feel half an orgasm the entire time youre having sex. Then the actual orgasms get successively more intense




I would like to add that does not happen (in my case it’s like that for me but without any drug it’s just how my body is) as you say. Usually it’s the bad sort of sensitivity where you can’t be touched because it hurts. It’s definitely not half an orgasm the whole time and it’s very uncomfortable. While I could technically nut again it would not be pleasurable, and each orgasm I have after is less pleasurable. Hence why I say it’s a nightmare.


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    #26940249 - 09/17/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sucks that that is your experience, it isn't mine at all


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    #26940257 - 09/17/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dopey mean.
Dopamine.
Exercise always does the trick.
Same for learning something difficult & new & then integrating it.
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    #26940280 - 09/17/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn’t say it sucks. Sex felt more like a condition to manage than something to enjoy.


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    #26940295 - 09/17/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12820816/

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Atypical antipsychotic treatment may unmask or precipitate hyperglycemia. Although such cases attributed to clozapine or olanzapine are more numerous than those associated with risperidone, the number for risperidone-associated hyperglycemia is relatively higher than that observed with the conventional neuroleptic haloperidol.




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    #26940367 - 09/17/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Not what we are getting at in the moment in time.


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