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Many peoople are enthusiastic about microdosing, and enter open ended regimens of open ended dosibg of multiple weekly doses.
Please RESPECT THE POWER OF ENTHEOGENS.
What Entheogens do, one of their properties, is to loosen up your mind. This is in fact why microdosing is effective to enhance creativity, problem solving et cetera.
But! If you microdose often, there is the risk that your loosened mind, no longer anchored in solid reality, starts to drift away into non-consensual reality and that some people more susceptible to this effect end up becoming increasingly out of touch with what is expected of a default human mind. If your reality becomes fluid but you cannot relate to solid minded people, what microdosing effects is that it drives a wedge between you and the people around you.
You might be on your Jihad but - if it alienates you from the world and you find it more difficult to relate and interface with it, and you become "the weirdo" or "that guy", that is where microdosing becomes detirmental to your growth, because your growth, true growth is supposed to improve your connectivity with people of differing opinions.
YOU NEED TO ANCHOR FROM TIME TO TIME.
After floating there ,must be grounding, just like in rituals of Magic. After coming loose from the collective you must reaffirm your connection, and preferably more strongly.
You don't want your psychedelics driving a wedge between you and the world by putting you at odds. That can cost you friendships and career opportunities.
Aladdin, don't rub that lamp too often because the Miraculous changes you too, no mattr how subtly, it adds up.
Don't lose true friends over this.
Changing is good but not all change is good.
There is a point where consciousness alteration, no matter how subtle, can become muddled to the onlooker.
If possible, let your closest friends keep an eye on you are report to you if they find you a bit off or slowly drifting away.
100 drug free days (not counting Rx meds you are prescribed to take) can do a lot to defrag your drive.
And thats logic right? You can't just keep installing stuff, every now and then you need to defrag and upgrade your operating system or you grind to a halt or seize up.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26887808 - 08/19/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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.12 P. Cubensis twice per day.
Day 599 today.
No breaks.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: HamHead]
#26887816 - 08/19/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe you should take it to day 600 tomorrow, then take a 100 day break.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26887824 - 08/19/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You ever thought about being a cop? You sure like telling people how, what, and how often. People seem to follow a path of servitude. Stay in line, make sure you contribute to the progress. Maybe we should all be thinking, stop! Get the fuck out of line. Enjoy yourself, because you'll be done before you know it! Lots of people may benefit from a microdose daily.No different then taking an antidepressant.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Snaggletoots] 1
#26887835 - 08/19/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Snaggletoots said: You ever thought about being a cop? You sure like telling people how, what, and how often.
I'm giving people useful directions based on studying psychedelics since 1985 and actually ingesting them since 1993, as someone who has been a moderator of this website since 2003 and an admin since 2010.
I've seen a whole lot of shit go down and devoured a whole lot of texts on the subject, Snaggeltoots.
I offer my advice so that people who are in need of direction can derive support from it. If people, like you, want to disregard that, feel free.
But don't call me a cop if I say mushrooms last 4-6 hours on average and for many people are not wholesome if ingested daily. Those are just the facts and I am helping people who wish to receive direction on the matter.
If you want to disregard, feel free.
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Lots of people may benefit from a microdose daily.No different then taking an antidepressant.
Lots of people, too, may be detrimentally affected by taking microdoses daily, just like many people are detrimentally affected by taking antidepressants daily.
I point people, politely to the risks associated with too frequent use for more than a few people.
That you want to rebel against this, feel free. If its not for you, its not for you.
I was the first administrator to even suggest creation of this forum to better serve the microdosing and medicinal use part of this community. You are the first member to snub me in it. Hi.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26887841 - 08/19/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well hello there Sometimes you need a first, to get a second, cheers
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Snaggletoots]
#26887891 - 08/19/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cheers
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
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Cheers 
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26902586 - 08/27/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: Many peoople are enthusiastic about microdosing, and enter open ended regimens of open ended dosibg of multiple weekly doses.
Please RESPECT THE POWER OF ENTHEOGENS.
What Entheogens do, one of their properties, is to loosen up your mind. This is in fact why microdosing is effective to enhance creativity, problem solving et cetera.
But! If you microdose often, there is the risk that your loosened mind, no longer anchored in solid reality, starts to drift away into non-consensual reality and that some people more susceptible to this effect end up becoming increasingly out of touch with what is expected of a default human mind. If your reality becomes fluid but you cannot relate to solid minded people, what microdosing effects is that it drives a wedge between you and the people around you.
You might be on your Jihad but - if it alienates you from the world and you find it more difficult to relate and interface with it, and you become "the weirdo" or "that guy", that is where microdosing becomes detirmental to your growth, because your growth, true growth is supposed to improve your connectivity with people of differing opinions.
YOU NEED TO ANCHOR FROM TIME TO TIME.
After floating there ,must be grounding, just like in rituals of Magic. After coming loose from the collective you must reaffirm your connection, and preferably more strongly.
You don't want your psychedelics driving a wedge between you and the world by putting you at odds. That can cost you friendships and career opportunities.
Aladdin, don't rub that lamp too often because the Miraculous changes you too, no mattr how subtly, it adds up.
Don't lose true friends over this.
Changing is good but not all change is good.
There is a point where consciousness alteration, no matter how subtle, can become muddled to the onlooker.
If possible, let your closest friends keep an eye on you are report to you if they find you a bit off or slowly drifting away.
100 drug free days (not counting Rx meds you are prescribed to take) can do a lot to defrag your drive.
And thats logic right? You can't just keep installing stuff, every now and then you need to defrag and upgrade your operating system or you grind to a halt or seize up.
I appreciate and support what you just tried to express here, it is your opinion and you are sharing it here, people are free to follow it or not, someone who is bothered by this should ask himself why
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Mr.Olive.Oil]
#26903891 - 08/28/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you still feel an effect from the exact same dose for that duration of time? I'd expect tolerance to have wiped out any effect long before then.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: ruK]
#26903909 - 08/28/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: there is the risk that your loosened mind, no longer anchored in solid reality, starts to drift away into non-consensual reality
Says someone with a 'spirit guide'.
People sould be able to do what they want with their meat vehicles.
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ruK said: Do you still feel an effect from the exact same dose for that duration of time? I'd expect tolerance to have wiped out any effect long before then.
Yes. I am still amazed, it's like clockwork. Right about 90 minutes in, I feel a subtle pressure release in my skull. Almost as if a valve has slightly loosened. Less mind chatter and more flow state. Still at about .12 doses.
Of course, setting has a lot to do with it. People around me are aware of my microdosing, some even trying themselves, and we are comfortable around each other so there's no tensions or paranoia or stress.
I'm easy going with flow. Less stress is where I want to be.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: HamHead]
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Asante said: there is the risk that your loosened mind, no longer anchored in solid reality, starts to drift away into non-consensual reality
Says someone with a 'spirit guide'.
I'm in contact with my spirit guide since I was 6 years old, a decade and a half before I took entheogens.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26908782 - 08/30/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: there is the risk that your loosened mind, no longer anchored in solid reality, starts to drift away into non-consensual reality
Says someone with a 'spirit guide'.
I'm in contact with my spirit guide since I was 6 years old, a decade and a half before I took entheogens.
Exactly.
I didn't have imaginary friends as a child. I was out playing with other humans.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: HamHead]
#26909911 - 08/31/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has it occurred to you that what you're doing is making you look quite bad, Hamhead?
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26910319 - 08/31/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crazy, how quickly people are to jump the gun and get butt hurt. I think this is very solid, reasonable advice Asante. Key word, 'advice'. He isn't holding a gun to your head folks and trying to take away your drugs. I think it's worth discussing the amount of damage over use can, and does cause for certain individuals.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: daemora]
#26915707 - 09/03/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice. Gotta remember everyone is wired differently. What works for you might cause issues for another person. But most of us are just trying to live our lives, and make the most out of them. So live your life the way you want to. Be happy.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: PsilyZee]
#26925481 - 09/08/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tried taking it following one of the protocols that I found online and I felt that it was not beneficial for me to do it daily. I find that a few times a month was a good regimen for myself, personally.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: daemora]
#26943060 - 09/18/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is with this new hipster wave of virtue signaling their sobriety? Are you somehow elevated above someone else because you make different choices in what chemicals you saturate yourself with on a daily basis?
I have not shroomed in three years and I have no issue with someone microdosing. Do you have experience ruining your life from micro-dosing to share here or are you merely extrapolating from your own imagination and expectations? If it is your imagination and expectations, I think it would be best not to offer "advise". You expect it to be negative, but the early research suggests to the contrary. Early research is totally the opposite of any bullshit fear mongering seen here.
Just because you had a panic attack on 1 gram and went to the ER does not mean this man is goin to ruin his life.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: cannacrab]
#26945549 - 09/20/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats with this new hipster wave of people reminding people to be responsible in their use and respect the drug and respect themselves?
Erring on the side of caution is for squares.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26947159 - 09/21/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sound advice, thanks man.
I perma-fucked my brain with coke some years back. Now I have permanent crippling anxiety. So yeah, when you're adjusting the balance in your brain too much too often, it seems to overcompensate.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: HamHead]
#26964030 - 10/01/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't you notice tolerance buulding up?
Because of tolerance build I do Fadiman's protocol which is taking every third. day. Or taking 2 day break between each microdose day.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#26964052 - 10/01/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sobriety is a myth.
Your body is constantly releasing stuff to effect how you perceive the world.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante] 1
#27057908 - 11/25/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel like there aren't a whole lot of guides on how to experiment with these things and I appreciate you putting the knowledge here where it felt easy to find.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#27058102 - 11/26/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread feels like its a barb directed at hamhead..
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: The Thing] 1
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I mean, I see nothing wrong with it. If it works for you and you haven't done anything horrible then it works for you.
Simple as that
It's why I am prescribed ridiculous amounts of drugs
Currently there is no legal cure for my problems without spending thousands of dollars
I would probably microdose every day if I could. I would actually probably be able to, idk, feel emotions and stuff.
Some people take a pill every day...of whatever it is...and if you take a ton of that medication it provides a massive high and intense experience
This is literally no different imho. You are taking a low dose and it proves that you are likely fine if you're on day 600 something.
Everyone is wired differently.
I just don't understand how tolerance hasn't built up. If that's the case, that's amazing. As long as it works for what you need, then that's fine.
They provide pure speed to people with ADHD I am not understanding how this is a problem. I've taken benzos every day, prescribed them since 2009 and I had panic attacks for days and flashbacks so I have taken them every day since then. Again, for whatever hamhead is using it for, none of our business but if it improves their life and doesn't interfere with other aspects of their life I think it is fine.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: skOsH]
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guys I hate to tell you but if your getting a tolerance build up you must be doing something wrong. i take .55 twice a day(when i'm not out ><) and I feel the same every time I take them even for 6 month +. yes after being out awhile getting going is a bit of a stressor, but it's not really a tolerance. Maybe a bit of jitteriness at beginning after I've been out, but the effects I want stay the same.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: HappyHigh]
#27059820 - 11/27/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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HappyHigh said: guys I hate to tell you but if your getting a tolerance build up you must be doing something wrong. i take .55 twice a day(when i'm not out ><) and I feel the same every time I take them even for 6 month +. yes after being out awhile getting going is a bit of a stressor, but it's not really a tolerance. Maybe a bit of jitteriness at beginning after I've been out, but the effects I want stay the same.
Yeah my doeses every three days feel the same even after months of it. I reckong micro doses are too small to build up a tolerance.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: coversall]
#27061964 - 11/28/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the advice, Asante. I appreciate your kind gesture of sharing your vast experience. I don't take it as a command or trying to police people, it seems to me is just an honest attempt at trying to help
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: enzofilo]
#27062128 - 11/28/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus told his disciples what to act like when they fast. When, not if. Nothing is good for you all the time. I really appreciate this advice by Asante.
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Re: Microdosing and the Importance of Staying Grounded [Re: Asante]
#27062161 - 11/28/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Closing in on day 700, isn't there some club I can apply for?
I feel I'm in a fairly grounded state of being. I take care of my responsibilities with very little stress.
I have cultivated a better relationship with my mother over the past couple years and microdosing really helps me feel a greater connection with her and other family members.
My job is aware of my microdosing habits and everyone gets along, gleefully.
Finances are in line, no debts with a little safety net sitting in a bank account. Not many people can afford to drop $3,500 to replace a transmission and not bat an eye. While I sit on 30g of gold and $1,300 cash for groceries.
My dog gets fed well, twice per day. I feed her a good quality wet food with a little dry food mixed in. I add some fish oil so she's getting some healthy fats. She gets healthy treats and regular baths. I started clipping her nails recently due to circumstances.
Life is good. Better than most, because I work hard for it, and am happy for it.
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