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Someone just showed me food grade borax
    #26886168 - 08/18/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07255QHHM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_bcqG2wgMUm5SB

and I just spent $20 on 2kg 20 mule team, I would have spent the extra money on the food grade stuff if I had known it was a thing


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26886195 - 08/18/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Food grade would be nice if you ingest it (I assume you use it as a dietary supplement) as it should minimize possible contaminants/pollutants that could be present as a result of the production process. However, due to the small quantities you'd typically consume as a supplement, I wouldn't expect serious risks from using the 20 Mule Team stuff.

I never looked into the food grade stuff because I only use it as a compound of photographic film developer, for which the technical grade is perfectly good enough.

It's a bit harder to get here in Europe than it used to be due to safety regulations. I think that in the case of borax/boron, the safety issues are overstated a bit. There doesn't seem to be a real risk as long as people don't eat spoonfuls of the stuff, so to speak. Then again, neither do I see a clear benefit to supplementing boron, but who knows.


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: koraks]
    #26886216 - 08/18/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

its supposedly a arthritis cure at 1/200 teaspoon 1-2 times a day, or a candida cure at like 1/8 of a teaspoon in a litre of water


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26886232 - 08/18/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its a cure for life if you take too much of it or small amounts too often.

Its an ant and roach killer.


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886246 - 08/18/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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its supposedly a arthritis cure at 1/200 teaspoon 1-2 times a day, or a candida cure at like 1/8 of a teaspoon in a litre of water



If it were that simple, there wouldn't be arthritis in the world.


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: koraks]
    #26886254 - 08/18/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

there was a guy down under named Rex Newnham who was selling pressies that he made with borax in the 60's, he was curing tons of peoples arthritis, he was under the radar and doing fine, but he had so many customers at one point he couldnt keep up, so he went to a drug company to try and help him out, they were not impressed with it undercutting their drugs, and they got the authorities involved, they charged the guy with selling poison to people and banned borax

I got a sore arm from a break that didnt heal properly, I dont know if thats considered arthritis, but im going to take the borax for a few months and see if it helps, the article on taking borax says you have to take it for a while before its effective


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher] * 4
    #26886269 - 08/18/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So thats going to be a diet of 20 eggs a day dosed with borax, and all mixed up with fasting, eating major salad and doing food challenges

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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886456 - 08/18/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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there was a guy down under named Rex Newnham who was selling pressies that he made with borax in the 60's, he was curing tons of peoples arthritis, he was under the radar and doing fine, but he had so many customers at one point he couldnt keep up, so he went to a drug company to try and help him out, they were not impressed with it undercutting their drugs, and they got the authorities involved, they charged the guy with selling poison to people and banned borax



Sounds a bit like that guy who had supposedly developed a car engine that ran on water but who was 'supressed' by oil companies and governments because he threatened the business model of existing corporations. Proponents of this new 'technology' have systematically evaded the criticism that it defied the laws of physics and requests for concrete evidence.
What's the evidence for the effectiveness of borax treatments for arthritis? Apart from anecdotal 'evidence' of people who say they felt better due to it; I'm talking about more systematic studies.

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I got a sore arm from a break that didnt heal properly, I dont know if thats considered arthritis



No, it isn't. So even if borax helps with arthritis (which I doubt), that still doesn't suggest it would do you any benefit.

So far, the only medical evidence for boron treatments being effective seems to be related to hormonal issues, notably treatment of menopausal women. Other than that, there is no described problem/symptom of boron deficiency. It's probably no coincidence that the most firm evidence for the risks of boron are also associated with hormonal aspects, notably disturbance of embryo development. Although that risk seems to manifest mostly with very high doses, higher than what you intend to take.

All considered I have to say that I find it a rather random guess to start taking a boron supplement in your case. If that's your approach, why not eat a spoonful of clay each day, stare into a pink light for half an hour or spin three rounds when getting up. For all we know that may help just as well (or not) as taking borax.

If you're concerned by bone growth, taking a vitamin D supplement together with bio-available calcium makes more sense.


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: koraks]
    #26886468 - 08/18/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

any studies will never be done cause giving people a "poison" would never get pass the ethics board


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886480 - 08/18/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886482 - 08/18/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's a nonsensical argument and it's not how ethics boards work. If no studies will be done, it's due to a total lack of credibility to the claim that it will actually do anything. There's simply no indication that it does, hence setting up a study on it would be a gamble with high costs but without expected benefit.


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: koraks]
    #26886488 - 08/18/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

high costs? how much would it cost to give some people borax, if I was rich id run the study, but im almost sure that somebody along the way would say im not allowed to give people "poison"


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886495 - 08/18/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:judyfacepalm:

There are studies.


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26886504 - 08/18/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886506 - 08/18/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

it says borax is banned from food products, so how would a study work, the snake diet guy wanted to put borax in his product, but the FDA wouldnt let him, he had to use boron instead


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886509 - 08/18/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26886516 - 08/18/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26886520 - 08/18/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You should start learning about things you ingest before you ingest them.


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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26886524 - 08/18/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

that was in favour of supplementing, I skimmed it, I didnt see where they went in detail for arthritis so I dont think they did, but I did notice this line

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boron has anti-inflammatory effects that can help alleviate arthritis and improve brain function




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Re: Someone just showed me food grade borax [Re: gopher]
    #26886538 - 08/18/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There is a paragraph on arthritis.

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Anti-inflammatory Effects in Osteoarthritis
Epidemiological evidence, case reports, and controlled animal and human studies have provided evidence for the use of boron as a safe and effective treatment for osteoarthritis (OA).52–54 Examining the relationship between boron administration and OA prevalence around the world, researchers discovered that in areas where boron intake is greater than or equal to 1 mg/d, the estimated incidence of arthritis ranges from 20% to 70%. In contrast, in areas where boron intake is usually 3 to 10 mg/d, estimated incidence of arthritis ranges from 0% to 10%.55 The boron concentration has been found to be lower in the femur heads, bones, and synovial fluid of OA patients compared with individuals without OA.56

Analysis of animal studies, in which rats with induced arthritis benefited from orally or intraperitoneally administered boron, revealed that boron downregulates production and activity of serine protease enzymes involved in the inflammatory response.57 Human studies of boron deprivation and repletion have shown that boron significantly increases erythrocyte superoxide dismutase (SOD) activity. In a study in which 63 days of boron depletion were followed by 49 days of boron supplementation 3 mg/d, SOD rose from 3091 U/g Hb to 3231 U/g Hb in men older than 45 years, from 2666 U/g Hb to 3169 U/g Hb in postmenopausal women, and from 2520 U/g Hb to 3327 U/g Hb in postmenopausal women on estrogen therapy.58

Human clinical evidence for boron’s use in the treatment of OA patients was first provided by a doubleblind, placebo-controlled supplementation trial conducted in Australia, in which a significantly favorable response to a supplement of 6 mg of boron per day (sodium tetraborate decahydrate) was seen in 20 subjects with OA; 50% of subjects receiving supplemental boron improved compared with only 10% of those receiving the placebo.61




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