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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Hartford]
    #26884180 - 08/17/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That's an interesting explanation of that verse I haven't thought about, but I would be careful with that because you could be wrong.

Certainly God has prepared a place even better than what Asante wrote, which is wonderful, for those who love him. So this is very encouraging.

Spirit mediums are forbidden to be consulted, though. Wouldn't it be somewhat out of character for a righteous man to even consider basing his worldview off of a supposed word from the dead?




Half the bible is rewritten junk mate, Christ himself said so. Also god does like to stay up with the times what with the constant rule changing and all that.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #26884235 - 08/17/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The whole idea of a fearful, punishing God, to me is nothing but humans putting childish human qualities onto what we imagine God to be.

Not only do we have to give the creator human qualities (a disservice to the idea of God if you ask me) but we have to make him childish, creating his minions and then punishing them for being naughty (as he created them). 

A God that would rule by fear just doesn't seem right to me.
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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Forrester]
    #26884255 - 08/17/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Is it ruling by fear to pull up weeds and chuck them in the furnace if they don't do the rest of the land good? Just seems like common sense to me. A bit of land management, not sending anyone to eternal damnation though that's just a dumb abrahamic myth born of misinterpretation (partly because frankly muhamed wrote the quran so god damn badly). But why should god concern himself with your precious ego? I think maybe he just wants to see the kingdom set to rights like the rest of us, probably he ain't no boddhisattva.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26884464 - 08/17/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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One thing I don't get about Asantes spirit guide is that he tells us we'll all be fine whereas buddha (sermon of the seven suns) and christ (revelations), both clearly tell us that the sinners and the beasties are going to be burnt into permanent death in some kind of universal fire at some point. Even Ramakrishna used to speak to god though and supposedly got the same message that  we'd all be fine.





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If I may, eternal damnation for the finite acts of the wicked is entirely incompatible by a God which is defuined by pure love and forgiveness. Even if there were infinite acts of wickedness, forgiveness after atonement is the only answer.

In Christian terms:

If you die, the imbalances of your life rebalance. You don't "burn for your sins" but your sins burn off of you. This is an entirely painful and very longlasting process. It is an infinity, like a DMT trip is an infinity, a boundless expanse of experience where sense of time is lost.

Purgatory. Atoning for your sins, and then ascending to Heaven where you ascend to become One with the God of your lifetime, what happens there is ineffable and after that you separate out to the next life. That is the fate of all emissions of the Source.

As science says, no energy and information can be lost from a closed system.

The spiritual relevance of this is that nothing is erased, added or separates away from the totality of everything. That means that every possible thing wil recur in every possible sequence and outcome for all eternity. All that is Me. All that is You.

Even the Devil will repent and return to the All Loving, All Forgiving, All Encompassing One and his return marks the end of the material Universe just like his falling from Heaven marked the beginning.

Even the Devil will receive no mercy from God's infinite love and can only resist it for a finite period of time.

The Everything and All is Eternally Beloved.

Sorry for that.

Every single thing is 100% essential and it is 100% essential that it stays in flux, not condemned to a dumpster fire at the edge of the universe.

You must avoid at all cost to burn too much in Purgatory, therefore you must be righteous in your lifetime, therefore you must strive to leave this workd a BETTER place as a steward of the world, and because God is Infinite Love, a Giver and Forgiver, your torments after death, like a DMT experience, will be an eternity that ends.

The only Eternity that does not end is the Tutality of Everything. That had never begun and will never end.

YOU'LL ALL BE FINE.




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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Asante]
    #26885074 - 08/17/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Thus, monks, impermanent are the constituents of existence, unstable, non-eternal: so much so, that this alone is enough to weary and disgust one with all constituent things and emancipate therefrom. Therefore, monks, do those who deliberate and believe1 say this: 'This earth and Sineru, the monarch of mountains, will be burnt and perish and exist no more,' excepting those who have seen the path."

Just because a thing is burnt doesn't mean it's lost from the energetic circle. That dust can be reused anywhere. But the thing itself will be reshaped. As I understand it I cannot truly die because what I really am is the one soul (god if you like) but the forms of energy which I mistakenly have identified myself (jiva in hindu terms) could easily perish. Of course either way I'll be fine because what I am is what you are (god) but what I have made of myself will be burnt unless it is found to be good.

"57. Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who has [good] seed. His enemy came during the night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The person did not let the workers pull up the weeds, but said to them, 'No, otherwise you might go to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be conspicuous, and will be pulled up and burned." " - gospel of thomas

I'm just looking at Buddhist and Christian scripture here. Perhaps they are perverted scriptures but the message they are giving seems pretty clear.

I have been in Samadhi briefly and the message was exactly as you say "YOU'LL BE FINE" but perhaps that which I've identified myself with (jiva) will not be unless it is first purified. As Buddhist cosmology has it there are three types of destructions, one by fire, one by water, and one by wind, these go up in order in terms of rarity and devestation of destruction. The destruction by wind reaches the highest and many of the best Jiva (individual soul) do not survive this one.

So yes I'll be fine as I am god not jiva and jiva (little I) is merely a thought created illusion anyway but the constituent things (thoughts) I've mistakenly identified myself with will perish.

This is just my understanding of the general cosmological consensus in religion. It seems to me all the Abrahamic religions have this in some form and so does Buddhism. The only other religion that places any emphasis on cosmology and doesn't have this seems to be perhaps Hinduism. But at the end of the day it is all pretty confusing reading.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26885915 - 08/18/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Reward and punishment come to arise when there is no humility,,,reward and punishment feed the self ("ego" if you will) and cause it growth.

Asante, it would seem rebirth/karma believing Faith's might posit I imagine a strong karmic bond between you and your friend, as you grew up together and now hear him speak from beyond the Ash's,,,do you have any insights as to what this could be about? Or maybe I'm asking about something that only the enlightened would know! 😱


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26885980 - 08/18/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it ruling by fear to pull up weeds and chuck them in the furnace if they don't do the rest of the land good? Just seems like common sense to me. A bit of land management, not sending anyone to eternal damnation though that's just a dumb abrahamic myth born of misinterpretation (partly because frankly muhamed wrote the quran so god damn badly). But why should god concern himself with your precious ego? I think maybe he just wants to see the kingdom set to rights like the rest of us, probably he ain't no boddhisattva.




But this is supposing that God, being perfect, would create something that isn't perfect - so we are assuming him to be either, imperfect himself, or intentionally creating something imperfect, to be later culled?


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Forrester]
    #26885995 - 08/18/20 03:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it ruling by fear to pull up weeds and chuck them in the furnace if they don't do the rest of the land good? Just seems like common sense to me. A bit of land management, not sending anyone to eternal damnation though that's just a dumb abrahamic myth born of misinterpretation (partly because frankly muhamed wrote the quran so god damn badly). But why should god concern himself with your precious ego? I think maybe he just wants to see the kingdom set to rights like the rest of us, probably he ain't no boddhisattva.




But this is supposing that God, being perfect, would create something that isn't perfect - so we are assuming him to be either, imperfect himself, or intentionally creating something imperfect, to be later culled?



It

I think the argument usually goes something like this, God has created us and angels with free will, able to not like a dog tied to a post can go as far as the rope goes, but in expansive freedom, able to pretty much anywhere ( deeper into materiality or back to our source in God), if God didn't create in us free will we'd be like a computer programed to say " I love you" back to him but there would be no manly strength to choose love, no relationship of romance with the divine, between creator and creature, communion intellectually would be meaningless in the directly literal sense. I think this is how the argument goes. But than there's the whole Adam and Eve thing abouttree of knowledge of good and evil, that's something to the equation. And Buddhist believe and teach we are not our will/ volition, this may actually be a possibility, I don't know how this would equate though.:shrug:


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Asante]
    #26886024 - 08/18/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He is where he always was just as he is now, he is within your thoughts and memories.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: saintdextro]
    #26886068 - 08/18/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I imagine a strong karmic bond between you and your friend, as you grew up together and now hear him speak from beyond the Ash's,,,do you have any insights as to what this could be about?




All his life long we were meant-to-be friends, since elementary school onward, there is karma from lives lived previous and lives lived after.

In death he asked permission to follow me, karmically, but then as he as a part of me more so than I as a part of him. Accrete him, like a black hole does a star.

He is welcome to.

Divinity put us through especially for him to fill me in on the Afterlife, where I had a big blank spot that is now filled in.

Since I was 6 Divinity has been calling upon me to write a book or rather, dictate a book to me, and if I see it is good, to have it published, a book to help the readers help themself, a medicine of words and sentences for a diseased world.

My whole life has been a preparation for it, my constant quest to find out the nature of all things.

I will channel a text that people can use to help themselves and others.

It feels close.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #26886069 - 08/18/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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He is where he always was just as he is now, he is within your thoughts and memories.





The universe already happened, we're just watching reruns :heart:


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Asante]
    #26886089 - 08/18/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

the ocean of god’s loving awareness.

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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Forrester]
    #26886104 - 08/18/20 05:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it ruling by fear to pull up weeds and chuck them in the furnace if they don't do the rest of the land good? Just seems like common sense to me. A bit of land management, not sending anyone to eternal damnation though that's just a dumb abrahamic myth born of misinterpretation (partly because frankly muhamed wrote the quran so god damn badly). But why should god concern himself with your precious ego? I think maybe he just wants to see the kingdom set to rights like the rest of us, probably he ain't no boddhisattva.




But this is supposing that God, being perfect, would create something that isn't perfect - so we are assuming him to be either, imperfect himself, or intentionally creating something imperfect, to be later culled?




The hindu creation myth has it that god created the world in a series of drunken mistakes due to his loneliness and newness to the world, he was feeling things out. They don't call his work of creation as perfect all over.

I remember an interview with Lee "Scratch" Perry, probably one of the highest souls out there in touch with god through direct medium (or so he claims) even he claims that god must be mad, and this world was an experiment by him.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26886110 - 08/18/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I’ve gone down that route but it’s as nonsensical as the rest.  Ended up right back at the beginning.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #26886112 - 08/18/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you look at Genesis I, not to annoy people only the first 5 lines:


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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Genesis 1:1-5




Here you see a Oneness split itself up into dualities to create the material universe.

EVERYTHING IS 100% COMPRISED OF THE GOD OF ALL THINGS, OF GENESIS 1:1.

Imagine.

Jesus was tempted in the Desert for 40 days by the Devil.

The God of All Things isthe God that is Jesus, the Devil, the Desert, the 40 days, me reciting this and you reading this.

THAT is The God Of All Things.

If Jesus steps in cat poop, Jesus is not the cat poop. The Holy Spirit, however, is Jesus, the cat poop and the stepping into.

This is why Islam says: "Jesus was a prophet, not God."

But Jesus said "I say, ‘You are gods; you are all children of the Most High." So Jesus is God in the sense of the holographic Universe, that all things are God.

There is Jesus worship, holy book worship, but its all fetishism :cophappy: and God said clearly "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me."

Who, me?

THE GOD OF ALL THINGS - the higherst God because there is none greater than that of All Things, the rest are emissions, angels, not God in the absolute sense.


I had a Fetish. an actual Nail Fetish, a Nkondi from the Congo, endowed with a Spirit.



He asked me to sacrifice a rooster to my highest allegiance.

The name of the God of All Things was on my lips as I severed the roosters neck and we ate him at Christmas dinner.



My Nkondi wanted to be taken off the altar and a symbol of the God of All Things be put there in his place.

Shortly after his earthly mission was done, teaching me, and he asked to be burned so I could direct myself fully to the God of All Things and he could return to it, and such happened.





Thats where I did away with Fetishism.


The symbol I use for God is a sphere of Shungite, 2 billion years old fossilized carbon from microorganisms from very early primitive like, the shape and color of a Black Hole, the most enduring object in nthe Universe and the source of it, symbol of God as the Unformed Void.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Asante]
    #26886129 - 08/18/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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in touch with god through direct medium




so am I and so are millions at any time in human history. So are in fact all of us without realizing it because interfacing with the Universe, yourself included, is interfacing with God.

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even he claims that god must be mad, and this world was an experiment by him.




He just doesn't understand.

God is not mad. All this is perfect, from LSD to Zyklon B.

Ask questions and I'll explain if you want to know.

He's been teaching me my whole life, in part to write a meaningful book that will be balm to the wounds of the readers.

Ask away.





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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26886218 - 08/18/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I’ve gone down that route but it’s as nonsensical as the rest.  Ended up right back at the beginning.




Don't think I'm going down any particular route? Just chatting the breeze, no one really knows anything for sure IMO.

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so am I and so are millions at any time in human history. So are in fact all of us without realizing it because interfacing with the Universe, yourself included, is interfacing with God.




Best believe I know the truth of that, I've been in touch with him very directly myself for a brief period of time before all my physical chakra system burnt itself out. And yeah I have some questions I would like to PM you but I'm biding my time a bit, don't want you to wear you out or anything. :tongue:


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26886231 - 08/18/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If they are not too personal, just post em out in the open so others can benefit from the answers too (remember, these ain't mine)

If its super personal no one must know stuff, try IM.

I prefer by far open dialogue though, in the public eye, where its seen by many and logged into the Internet backups forever.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Asante]
    #26886266 - 08/18/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'll probably PM it to you first and then give you permission to post it up, or post it up for you whatever. Not at all concerned about whether it's personal but don't necessarily wanna take over the forum with it. We'll see how it goes.


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Re: My Best Friend, 4 days dead, tells me where he is now. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26886739 - 08/18/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Feel free to throw it out in the open, its "that sort of thread" anyway, no problem to toss in some extra channelling, you won't pollute the thread but rather keep it going.


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