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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel]
    #26881757 - 08/15/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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No 3rd party suits me this year. Libertarians are almost nonexistent at this point



I'm likely going with Howie Hawkins, Green Party.  Most definitely anti-war.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26881913 - 08/15/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Then send me a pm for friendly wager.



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26881944 - 08/15/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26885829 - 08/17/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The only thing wrong with this meme is she aint gonna be VP.



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26885858 - 08/17/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

First and foremost is voting against more nessicary death and economic ruin. I don't agree with all their policies it's not the choice I want. It's voting against voter suppression when the chips are down for the president. It's about voting for a president that will at least attempt to give a unifying message on tense race relations, wearing masks as a country to get our cases and deaths down to a manageable level.

It's voting for action on climate change instead of being complacent. in the last month there's been about 100k+ acres of fires just in California, record breaking tempatures, today here it was 111 and in death valley it was 133 which is the hottest recorded temp in history closet being an unverified 134 in 1918. It's about getting money back into the economy through people that don't have jobs having a little spending money until we can get covid under control to a degree where we can move on. Trump has shown his incompetence in times of crisis as a president.

That's why it's encouraging to see the Lincoln project give a voice to conservatives but recognize he has considered himself above the Constitution and his shown that use other than capable I'm leaving the country. Also Republican voters against Trump is a great organization that has life long republicans tell their story of how they realized Trump is not just a differing opinion but a threat to our nation on many levels. A lot of these testimonials come from soldiers as well and many things Trump has done and said about soldiers has convinced them he's a threat to the nation, said horrible things about John McCain because he was captured and tortured to more serious insults to soldiers like suggesting we should pull forces out of South Korea and they work there and know how vital our presence there is among many more testimonials.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26885875 - 08/17/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
The only thing wrong with this meme is she aint gonna be VP.








This is how Democrats know for sure their candidate is going to win. America supports this. Remember at the polls.

Also no one figured out the importance of Baron Acton

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Not to rub salt on the wound of the Democratic heart but



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26886220 - 08/18/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The only thing wrong with this meme is she aint gonna be VP.






She was a prosecutor, not a cop. Why lie?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods]
    #26886268 - 08/18/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it's a dumb meme. The Mini those clowns are riding in is probably pretty sweet though.

Let's not forget that Harris is one of the most progressive voters. https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26886275 - 08/18/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"The Reason Kamala Harris Flip-Flops on Medicare For All!"



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26886288 - 08/18/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Then send me a pm for friendly wager.



:pm:




You the man. Things just got more interesting.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26886298 - 08/18/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure that supporting a medicare for all plan that doesn't abolish private insurance is a flip flop at all. Has a single viable medicare for all plan been written that ends private insurance in total? Not that I am aware of. It seems to me that medicare for all could simply mean that all people would have the option to participate in medicare. I think Jimmy is being a little disingenuous here.

The rest of the clip is good though.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26886306 - 08/18/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"The Reason Kamala Harris Flip-Flops on Medicare For All!"






We'll most likely end up with some slightly better Obamacare. I disagree, as do you, that she was a bad pick strategically for Biden.

Her position on the political spectrum likely will lead to a lot of flip flopping. I didn't catch when she changed the stance. VPs (other than Dick Chaney) are followers not leaders. George H Bush was pro-abortion till he became Reagan's VP.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: christopera] * 2
    #26886327 - 08/18/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure that supporting a medicare for all plan that doesn't abolish private insurance is a flip flop at all. Has a single viable medicare for all plan been written that ends private insurance in total? Not that I am aware of. It seems to me that medicare for all could simply mean that all people would have the option to participate in medicare. I think Jimmy is being a little disingenuous here.

The rest of the clip is good though.




I agree with Bernie Sanders that medicare for all is not economically viable without basically abolishing private insurance. This article does a decent job of explaining the difference between medicare for all and public option.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/politics/health-care-explainer/index.html

Hah, in the video Harris said she misinterpreted the question.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26886350 - 08/18/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Some of the headlines Jimmy presents are all over the place time wise too. The KHN article is from 5 days ago, while the Newsweek article is from last year. It seems that we should really be talking about her policy as the VP candidate, as certainly, her platform is going to have to get tightened up.

From Politico;

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Perhaps no issue was more damaging to Harris’ presidential campaign than her fluctuating position on “Medicare for All.” As a Senate freshman and rising political star in 2017, she was among the first prominent Democrats to sign on to Bernie Sanders’ single-payer bill, at the time calling it “the right thing to do.”

But during the Democratic primary, after initially doubling down on the idea of eliminating private insurance in favor of a government-run system, she quickly backtracked. Her poll numbers tumbled amid weeks of questions about her core beliefs on a topic that has singularly cleaved the party’s liberal and moderate wings.

Harris ultimately pitched her own solution that sought to split the difference: giving Americans the choice of enrolling in tightly regulated private health insurance plans or picking a public one. But the proposal only raised further misgivings about Harris’ policy credentials and whether she had previously backed Medicare for All largely to score points with the Democratic base.

Since then, Harris has avoided weighing in on the coverage debate and has emphasized greater support for underserved communities amid a pandemic that she has warned has “worsened long-standing disparities in our country.” Harris is also among those calling for new investments to address the nation’s maternal mortality crisis, which has left Black women three times as likely to die from pregnancy-related complications than white women.




I'd say this is less editorialized than Jimmy's take.

But here's the Newsweek article Jimmy refernced by headling;

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Speaking at a Hamptons fundraiser to corporate executives and one-percenters, Harris explained that she has "not been comfortable" with the healthcare plan written by her 2020 competitor Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

"I think almost every member of the United States Senate who's running for President and many others, have signed on to a variety of plans in the Senate. And I have done the same," she said at the fundraiser, according to her campaign. "[A]ll of them are good ideas, which is why I support them. And I support Medicare for All. But as you may have noticed, over the course of many months, I've not been comfortable with Bernie's plan, the Medicare for All plan."




https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-healthcare-medicare-all-bernie-sanders-1455106

I can see how perhaps this seems like flip flopping?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26886433 - 08/18/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It is flip flopping. But it's an expected response from her.

The middle of the road is always an unprincipled place to be, but we seem to only get to choose between conservative Republicans and middle of the road Democrats, in this country, except the first Bush who was a middle of the road Republican.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26886483 - 08/18/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure that supporting a medicare for all plan that doesn't abolish private insurance is a flip flop at all. Has a single viable medicare for all plan been written that ends private insurance in total? Not that I am aware of. It seems to me that medicare for all could simply mean that all people would have the option to participate in medicare. I think Jimmy is being a little disingenuous here.

The rest of the clip is good though.




So a written plan must be on record or the concept of Medicare For All doesn't hold any merit?  There have been plenty of studies showing Medicare For All and the cost analysis that goes with the plan. What the hell has Bernie been promoting all of this time?  Yes, I understand that there's different versions of Medicare For All, but the basic concept remains the same if we model other universal health care programs around the world.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26888832 - 08/19/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree with Bernie Sanders that medicare for all is not economically viable without basically abolishing private insurance. This article does a decent job of explaining the difference between medicare for all and public option.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/politics/health-care-explainer/index.html



Ya, there's a HUGE difference between Medicare for All, and a Public Option.  Medicare for All is paid for out of taxes, so no one has to worry about it, while a Public Option is paid for the same way as private insurance; you get it if you can afford it.

That's my understanding of it anyway.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26889174 - 08/19/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kamala Harris speech, she all Apple Pie and quoting the Bible. According to her.... Joe Biden is a demigod.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26889189 - 08/19/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kamala Harris speech, she all Apple Pie and quoting the Bible. According to her.... Joe Biden is a demigod.



Do you have a link to the speech? Not trying to argue with you, just want to read it for myself.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26889233 - 08/19/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Damn,
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SirTripAlot said:
Kamala Harris speech, she all Apple Pie and quoting the Bible. According to her.... Joe Biden is a demigod.



Do you have a link to the speech? Not trying to argue with you, just want to read it for myself.




Sure:

to the word that teaches me to walk by faith, and not by sight,

From https://www.demconvention.com/press-releases/select-remarks-from-senator-kamala-harris-from-night-three-of-the-2020-democratic-national-convention/


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