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    #26885406 - 08/17/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have 3 mexicube and 3 PE BRF jars almost fully colonized.

I was wondering if I could spawn each into their own shoebox and do this shoebox TEK Here
Would that tek work if I spawned to coir/verm, and should I case?

Aside from a SGFC, what else could i do with limited spawn?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26886236 - 08/18/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I would use three cakes per shoebox


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26886251 - 08/18/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fantastic! Thank you again!

I plan on following that Stupid Simple TEK but using coir/verm instead of grain since these are BRF jars.

Should I still get a decent yield?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26889076 - 08/19/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)




So here is my setup so far. Did not dunk cakes, shredded them straight into the tote w/ substrate and followed the tek. Obviously my liner looks a little iffy and saggy but I don't think it's hateful for a first go. Any tips?

I'm hoping that the plastic bag is thin enough for light to penetrate it since the holes aren't that big??


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26889097 - 08/19/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Looks ok.  Can't tell how level the surface is but looks good.  Every time I've done cakes to bulk I've gotten pretty good yields.  Waaaaay better than fruiting cakes in a HC.  Best of luck.  Look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor.:thumbup:


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26890189 - 08/20/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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alaskappalachian said:
Looks ok.  Can't tell how level the surface is but looks good.  Every time I've done cakes to bulk I've gotten pretty good yields.  Waaaaay better than fruiting cakes in a HC.  Best of luck.  Look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor.:thumbup:




Thank you for the feedback I am excited.


Now I know some of you (if not all of you) will laugh at this but I really don't care, I did too honestly. My situation is a little bit different, I'm very limited on space for these (discreetly) and I need to be able to conceal these shoeboxes. Since I'm using this grocery bag I figured the best way to conceal it would be almost in plain site but camoflouged by other bags LOL

It's in a small closet, which has a fluorescent light. I figured I would just use that as its light source, I'm just hoping that the light will penetrate the bag enough to trigger the pinning process, and I'm mainly concerned about my concealment idea as far as weather or not I'm blocking off more light or FAE. I don't see how it could, the liner is covering the substrate and the grocery bag is covering the entire tote. It looks breathable, I can definitely smell it when I sniff the top of the bag so I'm assuming it has sufficient FAE.

anyway, here's the setup lol.

Please, if this is going to fuck anything up, let me know..


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26891656 - 08/21/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm assuming my setup isn't going to fail (even if its comical) considering I haven't been criticized yet.

lol any takers? Or will it be fine how it is?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26891777 - 08/21/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Even with a great setup it can fail, so I wouldn't assume lest you get disappointed. You're learning how to give the myc what it needs to grow and thrive. It might take a little while to get the hang of it. But even with the failure lost time and effort etc it's worth it. Looking forward to seeing how your grow goes :thumbup:


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: magoogle]
    #26891819 - 08/21/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think it will work just fine! This is my little bag boy as of 5 minutes ago and he is doing great. I put like 7 holes for FAE and gets 6500k light. Only used a single 1/2 pint cake.



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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26892131 - 08/21/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Even with a great setup it can fail, so I wouldn't assume lest you get disappointed. You're learning how to give the myc what it needs to grow and thrive. It might take a little while to get the hang of it. But even with the failure lost time and effort etc it's worth it. Looking forward to seeing how your grow goes :thumbup:




This is true. Even when I fail I don't consider it a waste of time unless I do the same thing over again which made me fail.

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I think it will work just fine! This is my little bag boy as of 5 minutes ago and he is doing great. I put like 7 holes for FAE and gets 6500k light. Only used a single 1/2 pint cake.







This is awesome! Congrats! I've done a few cakes in a SGFC before. I have more than 7 holes in the bag that covers my shoebox but that's just because it consists of 7 3 1/2 pint jars worth of spawn so I figured the more FAE the better so long as it isn't completely open.

Like I said, I am just using the closet fluorescent light as its light source and I am pretty much just turning it on and off at the same time the sun comes up and goes down.

It hasn't been in fruiting long at all and it's amazing how quickly the myc is taking over the substrate! (Hoping this is a good sign of strong myc)


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26892294 - 08/21/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks! It was a little experiment that is turning out great so far :laugh:

Yeah I think that shoebox should get plenty of good little guys with 7 1/2 cakes. Hell I even messed up a few weeks ago and spawned 10 1/2 pints to a 66 qt mono (like a 1:4, 1:5 ratio oof) and it's colonized probably the best out of all tubs. Granted, still no pins yet but thats okay haha.

And get yourself a timer for the light! Helps a bunch when I forget to turn it off or I have to work. It's like 10 bucks for two on amazon :smile:


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26893321 - 08/22/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

oh wow I didn't realize until now that I said I have 7 1/2 pints in this. I was confusing that with my other Project. This shoebox only consists of 3 1/2 pint jars. I believe I only used about 4-6 cups of substrate.

It would be nice to get a 1/4 - 1/2 oz dry out of it though.
I definitely should get a timer though you're right.

I do need advice on how to tell when the substrate is getting dehydrated during this particular tek. I can see through the holes on the bag, but I can't tell if the substrate is getting dry at all yet.

Is it advisable to take off the bag every now and then to get a proper view of what's going on? Especially if for some reason at some point I have to mist obviously.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26896454 - 08/24/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Still hoping to get some advice on misting here. Sorry to bump. Looks like some of the top of the substrate is lightening in color as the myc is slowly taking over. Today is day 5 since birthing, I haven't seen much of a change in growth in the past 48 hours as I did during the first 48-72 hours. I hope it isn't stalling for any reason. Temperature is fine day and night. usually in light for 12 hours. 7 to 7.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26897160 - 08/24/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey buddy you can definitely take the bag off to check it won't hurt anything and as far as misting goes check your coir, if it's looking light brown and no mini beads on the surface I'd give it a decent misting just till you see some beads again so it doesn't dry out to much. And by beads like really small ones across the surface.

Misting is hard to get down i'm currently working on dialing in better myself but that's what i've learned over the last couple days of trying to get mine better. I mist my mini at least once a day because it doesn't have much of it's own microclimate but as far as bigger monotubs it's similar but usually less misting and more of set it up for success and wait. (which i've also been having problems with because i'm impatient but thats on me lol)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053

This might help a little it's what i've been trying to get down pat.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26897267 - 08/24/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you so much for that reply brother, I truly appreciate it. I did take the bag off today to take a peak and it looks like it's slowly getting towards the dry side but not quite yet dry. The weight is hard to tell since it's such a small container and I can't really remember the weight it had when I first started it. I'm sure some moisture has been lost in the past week, even if it isn't significant. I also know that evaporation and light are what trigger pinning, so I'm wondering if it's a good idea to wait for it to almost get dry and then mist decently with tiny beads as you mentioned. I always used to spray at least a foot about my cakes in my SGFC's and let the mist gently fall onto the surface rather than directly spraying/drenching the substrate that has pre-stages of primordia/hyphae knots.

While taking a peak today, I did notice some of the myc is fuzzy. Doesn't this mean a lack of FAE? (Need to add more holes?) Is it trying to tell me that it needs more gas exchange? Or is this normal behavior?
Here are a few pics of the substrate. I know it isn't easy to judge by pictures like these but it's the best I have. In my opinion, the surface looks slightly dry. Mainly just the coco fibers that linger on the top though. However, I'm sure if they had more moisture, they could be colonized faster (if my knowledge is correct on that.)



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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26897297 - 08/24/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Anytime man, we are here to learn together :thumbup: It does look a tad dry I would totally give a light misting to it just till you see those beads. Since it's more out in the open it will dry up more but should be all good. My little mono is already pinning pretty good again after first harvest.

And yeah the foot or two away is perfect distance. I noticed that smaller containers are quite a bit harder to dial in but a light misting once a day on mine has done wonders :smile:

And aerial mycellium is generally from a lack of FAE but it doesn't look bad in my opinion. I see those tiny knots coming looks like it's gonna be a good one!


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26897357 - 08/24/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome man I am so excited and grateful for everybody's help and knowledge on here.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26898229 - 08/25/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just gave an extremely light misting this morning about a foot above from the box.. Tiny beads of water are now visible on the surface and some of the coir looks more hydrated so that's good. I have a feeling the evaporation is really going to trigger the pins, even if it needs another misting before that time comes.

I would hope to see some more signs of growth by the weekend. It would be nice to see pins by then as that's getting close to the week and half mark since they were birthed. 

The PE's that I have are almost done colonizing. 2 of the 3 jars are ready but the 3rd jar still has a tiny patch to cover on the bottom of the jar, so I'm just kind of waiting it out. This is my favorite cubensis! I really hope I can get a decent yield out of everything.



EDIT: I've checked on the tub periodically today after misting and ended up having to do 2 more light and gentle misting as each time I would look in the tub, all of the little water beads were completely gone and the surface started looking dry again already. ( As I said, I did a VERY light mist each of these times.) I did however notice now there is some slight bruising on a lump of myc which is amazing considering how gentle i misted and how high up I misted each time.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26899210 - 08/25/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

New update, I know I just edited this not long ago but I found something concerning that I didn't notice earlier. It looks similar to cobweb to me but I need some more opinions to be sure. Tub smells like straight up mushies but the corner has some very thin cottony weblike looking growth. Here are some pics:



And here are the PE's that I birthed just now. I hope things goes well with these guys. I'm very excited! My goal is to get even just a small canopy. I"m not expecting anything large or spectacular by any means, but I really would like to get a nice small to medium sized canopy with at least an oz or more DRY between both shoeboxes after all flushes when all said and done.

Does this goal seem realistic for a MS BRF and coir grow?



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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26901908 - 08/27/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Any feedback? I keep having to mist, although I thought this was more of a set and forget TEK. Maybe I just made too many holes in my bag?

This would be day 8 since birthing, I would imagine there should be pins anytime now.

It's amazing to see how much has colonized on that PE tub that I JUST DID! Crazy cool:cool:


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26902297 - 08/27/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

With that first shoebox can you get a pic that's without flash? Makes it kinda hard to tell. The water beads look good though! PE's do well with a nice casing layer so I've read many a times. Look into a specific PE guide for more info on that particular mushie.

But I would say it's totally possible to get an oz off both those shoeboxes. How many cakes in each PE?

And with shoeboxes misting alot is gonna happen, I find the set and forget mostly applies to bigger mono's like 66qt and even then I find myself having to check up on it from time to time. I do notice you have alot of holes in that bag maybe a little less holes while colonizing and then add more when pins start popping throughout.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26902312 - 08/27/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Okay wonderful advice thank you very much. I think I will replace the bags on both because I feel like I did over-do the holes but I was worried about not making enough at first.

Let me grab a snap of that substrate without the flash like you asked.  A friend of mine who's very experienced with all of this suggested to me a while back that they don't like using casings that they think it's just another way to open your grow to contams. I've cased before but this will be the first time without doing it.

That being said, I'm still going to look into the casing idea for the PE's. although idk if it's too late to add a casing layer without screwing things up.


Here are those pictures. The Mycelium looks so much whiter in the picture's than IRL, and the corners when misted look like spider webs stretched over top of the myc that's why I was asking about cobweb, but it's probably just myc.

Looks like they're starting to get dry again already and I just misted them about 6 or 7 hours ago.



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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26902429 - 08/27/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I did the same thing with my little mini I made way to many holes and it dried out the next day, like damnit lol learned quick. And from what i've read at 100% colonization PE benefit from about a 1/2 inch casing, little thicker than usual, because they take longer to actually pin and fruit so the extra microclimate is beneficial but plenty of people do no casing as well. And those tubs are looking pretty good I would say. A wee bit bacterial but ehh we are using BRF so to be expected. Maybe put those shoeboxes somewhere less airy for a while so moisture content can build up then move them back? I tried keeping mine on the floor of the room I use and seemed to help a little than keeping them higher up (since there are so many holes in bag). My monotubs seem to be doing good where ever haha.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: lookintolearn]
    #26902516 - 08/27/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the response. I changed the bags and made much less holes lol.
Would you mind telling me where you see bacterial growth? I hope it isn't bad if it's really there. Will the fruits still be edible?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26902530 - 08/27/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There is no mold that I can see so far but conditions are definitely fluctuating. You don’t want it going from soaked to dry every 24 hours, that’s going to lead to it getting all matted.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26902555 - 08/27/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Pasty, so I'm thinking that the new bags I have on that have less holes will provide a much more consistent environment, and I will either make more or enlarge the ones I have once the pinset(s) arrive.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903038 - 08/27/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am slightly concerned about the lighting though. Keep in mind, these are just sitting in a closet that has one fluorescent light like a store would have and it's almost directly above the tubs but it's probably at least 7-8ft up, I mean it's ceiling height so....is this enough? Plus the grocery bags do a good job blocking light, I'm wondering if I need to grab a lamp? Anybody have anything to recommend? Am I good how I am now?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903227 - 08/27/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Build a small tent like cover over the shoebox with wooden skewers and glad wrap then jab some holes in it like a mini grow tent

you can also use bubble wrap on the surface once its fully col if your having trouble getting pins


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Mtbromo]
    #26903262 - 08/27/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

okay, should I be getting pins by now?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903280 - 08/27/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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okay, should I be getting pins by now?




Pins normally 10-21 days from spawning

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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Mtbromo]
    #26903516 - 08/28/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well those all seem to be in check as far as I can tell, so I guess it's just the waiting game now. Today marks day 10


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26903602 - 08/28/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There is no mold that I can see so far but conditions are definitely fluctuating. You don’t want it going from soaked to dry every 24 hours, that’s going to lead to it getting all matted.




So, is the idea to constantly keep the surface moist right before pinning? I understand you don't want it going from soaked to dry all of the time, but evaporation is a pinning trigger, correct?


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26903757 - 08/28/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There is no mold that I can see so far but conditions are definitely fluctuating. You don’t want it going from soaked to dry every 24 hours, that’s going to lead to it getting all matted.




So, is the idea to constantly keep the surface moist right before pinning? I understand you don't want it going from soaked to dry all of the time, but evaporation is a pinning trigger, correct?





It is a pinning trigger AFAIK but you don’t want it going from soaked to dry overnight. It needs to be a gradual evaporation and never completely dry out.


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    #26903768 - 08/28/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Okay cool, thanks brother I appreciate the input!


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    #26903979 - 08/28/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ugh, I just don't get it. I know my place is obviously pretty dry, but my substrate will dry within just a few hours of misting. Am I just not misting enough? I put new bags on them with less holes I thought that would have fixed it.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: MisterKush]
    #26904007 - 08/28/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Choose a different chamber/sub spawn ratio/use a casing/etc. Dialing in is all about balancing what you are doing with what your environment allows. I find shoeboxes dry out like a nuns cunt on Halloween. Monotubs or mini monotubs are better for me. I also like thicker coir top layers and lower spawn ratios with more sub.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26904054 - 08/28/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Choose a different chamber/sub spawn ratio/use a casing/etc. Dialing in is all about balancing what you are doing with what your environment allows. I find shoeboxes dry out like a nuns cunt on Halloween. Monotubs or mini monotubs are better for me. I also like thicker coir top layers and lower spawn ratios with more sub.




Yeah every single shoebox I've had either dried how way too quickly or got some type of bacterial infection. I have just started my first mini mono as I linked to you in a PM. I really hope to see better results from that than these.

Also as I have mentioned before, a friend of mine who is very experienced with all of this has suggested not using a casing. They said they don't do it because it just seems to be adding another unnecessary risk of contams. Thoughts on this?


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    #26904101 - 08/28/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A properly prepared casing isn’t a risk whatsoever. A coir top layer is pretty much impossible to fuck up.


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    #26904196 - 08/28/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Would it be too late to do this to either or both of these at this point? Would it even be beneficial at this point


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    #26904436 - 08/28/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

At this point all you can really do is hold the course. Do better next time.


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Re: Quick Question About Limited Spawn [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26904749 - 08/28/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever done a BRF/coir shoebox?


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    #26904802 - 08/28/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No I’ve done grain spawn shoeboxes. Same principles though. I prefer monos.


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    #26905497 - 08/29/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

ah I see, that explains things a little more.


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    #26907171 - 08/30/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey so another question here.

If I'm having trouble getting pins due to insufficient lighting because of the bag, how long until I can take the bag off and just let the tub go as is? Should I be waiting until signs of pins? Seeing lots of primordia.


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    #26907653 - 08/30/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So day 10 on this now, here are some images. Looks like the myc is definitely knotting up in some places. Can't quite make out any pins just yet but I'm sure they aren't far behind.

Been misting once in the morning now, a good gentle yet healthy mist and that seems to have improved how quickly water was evaporation. That plus the new bag with less holes I'm sure plays a significant role. In the first picture below, it looks like a huge lump forming, yet it doesn't look like a pin, it looks too small to be a pin but yet it looks like it almost has the shape of a pin. Would be interested in somebody taking a guess as to what it is before it forms, if it does..into a pin.

I am still concerned about light. I don't know that I have received any tips on lighting. As simple as that task may be, I just don't know if the flourescent light that I have in the closet in which these tubs sit, is enough to penetrate the grocery bags. I could be entirely wrong in that light can't fully penetrate the thin plastic though, it would just be nice to get some confirmation on that without an attitude.

Sorry if pics aren't the best. It isn't easy trying to get a clear, clean close up without touching the substrate with my phone camera



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    #26908552 - 08/30/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I could be wrong but I think all light does is tell them which direction to grow? I think your all good bro if there's enough light to take a photo should be sweet


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    #26908614 - 08/30/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks man, I know light tells them where to grow, i just thought it was another main pinning trigger so I was worried I wouldn't get pins without proper lighting


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    #26908621 - 08/30/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I could be wrong but I think all light does is tell them which direction to grow?




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    #26908634 - 08/30/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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lol sooooo anything to add other than "nope"?


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    #26908791 - 08/30/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I could be wrong but I think all light does is tell them which direction to grow?




Nope



lol sooooo anything to add other than "nope"?





That guy snorts too much to help anyone.  I've read multiple times partial light from a window is sufficient.  Light is a pinning trigger.  Plants stretch towards light.  Fungus is not a plant. Although light is a pinning trigger the top people on this site recommend light exposure through all stages of growth.


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Nope



lol sooooo anything to add other than "nope"?





That guy snorts too much to help anyone.  I've read multiple times partial light from a window is sufficient.  Light is a pinning trigger.  Plants stretch towards light.  Fungus is not a plant. Although light is a pinning trigger the top people on this site recommend light exposure through all stages of growth.



So yet again, is the bag preventing sufficient light?

sorry to sound like a dick. just have asked this about 3 or 4 times now.


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    #26908817 - 08/30/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you're talking about the giant bag I'd go with clear plastic.  One of the pictures looks like a green spot could be blue bruising cant tell. 

It's best to get a large plastic tote and make a monotub like pastywhyte prefers.  You have everything else ready to go what's another $10.

EDIT:  Or you can make a SGFC if you're into the whole brevity thing.


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    #26909175 - 08/31/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

yeah it's a bruise. I have a mono tub going too, this is just a little experiment


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    #26909473 - 08/31/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Getting impatient for pins lol too exciting.

I am a bit nervous about contams though. Every shoebox I have ever done has had some type of bacterial contamination. Look at this picture I just took today, I'm noticing discoloration the myc other than the bruising that seems to be occurring more often from I guess misting...Anyway this discoloration is like yellowish orange color and I'm really hoping it isn't anything major but I could use some help identifying exactly what it is.


But Here are the PE's so far. They seem to be colonizing rather fast for the type of species that they are. They myc looks very fluffy though. Looking healthy otherwise in my opinion.


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    #26911543 - 09/01/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Getting lots of bruising on the surface of the 1st shoebox(likely from misting)..and yet no pins. This makes me a bit concerned as I fell like the mycelium is just weakening overtime now and it's producing anything. I took off the grocery bag for now and put the lid of the tote on the tub upside down to allow fae still. I'm just wondering that it isn't gettin enough light to trigger pins.

If this is a mistake and I need to just but the bag back on and be more patient please tell me asap so i don't lost this whole thing. I've just always seen pins with cubes by now, at least starting.


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    #26911684 - 09/01/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You said it in that last sentence bud, just be a little more patient :thumbup: PE's are known to take quite a bit longer to get going than cubes, especially without a casing layer to help keep the microclimate on the surface. Just give them some time :smile: Don't toss anything unless you notice obvious bacterial stuff or molds, you'd be just wasting your time you put into it and it still can produce a flush at least.


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    #26911865 - 09/01/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You said it in that last sentence bud, just be a little more patient :thumbup: PE's are known to take quite a bit longer to get going than cubes, especially without a casing layer to help keep the microclimate on the surface. Just give them some time :smile: Don't toss anything unless you notice obvious bacterial stuff or molds, you'd be just wasting your time you put into it and it still can produce a flush at least.




Well the one that is further along does not contain PE's it contains P.Mexicube's.

The 2nd tote there that looks like it's still colonizing are the PE's

I'm also now starting to see a very very faint but visible yellowish tint on the surface along with bruising. I'm really not liking this :frown: Not sure what's going wrong..


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    #26913276 - 09/02/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Seems to be looking more gross each day and still no signs of pins. Funny though how I spawned the first shoebox on this post on the same day as the mini mono I'm also doing and the mono started pinning and looks great but this thing is just looking weak

Frustration, frustration, frustration.:mad2:

Notice how the top seems like it never fully colonized. There are still a couple of chunks of coir just sitting on top. It's almost as if the mycelium just totally gave up and is getting sicker each day or something. (that's just how it looks/seems)

If this thing fruits, will the fruits even be safe to eat?


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    #26915201 - 09/03/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

On another note, here is the PE shoebox that I did. Possible showing signs of life? Same amount of spawn ration and everything. If I'm not mistaken, aren't those little tiny white dots the beginning of pins?

Does anyone think this looks like it needs misted?


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    #26921131 - 09/06/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Update:

Had to throw away the mexicube shoebox :frown:

Never showed any signs of pins whatsoever and was covered in yellow and was bruised to fuck for whatever reason plus it was forming white fluffy blobs of what I believe to be the beginning of trich from what I've seen and read.:mad:What really pisses me off is that I wasn't able to even learn anything from the failure. I can't figure out why my shoeboxes almost ALWAYS slowly start turning yellow and bruising after the first time that I mist them. My misting technique is fine...I mist gently and spray up a foot in the air and let the mist slowly fall onto the substrate. So I know that isn't the problem. I also use bottled water to try to avoid anytime of chemicals or bacteria that could possible be in normal tap water.


PE shoebox is looking okay so far. I ended up removing the grocery bag and just turning it into a dubtub since that method obviously wasn't working and it was too hard to keep the humidity up, thinking maybe that's why pins never showed up. It was also giving off hint of a musty smell that I didn't like, and I'm super sensitive as it is to molds/mildews, so fungus growing may not be the best hobby for me to begin with, but even IF this thing put out some fruit in another week, I really don't think I would want to eat what comes out.


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    #26931607 - 09/12/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

PINS! I've finally got pins in the PE shoebox. However, they're ALL side AND bottom pins :facepalm:  :facepalm: I have learned to not ever use clear plastic as a liner...but I'm not sure that is the ONLY factor although it's probably a big one. I also just cannot keep surface moisture where it needs to be. It's constantly drying out way too fast even with the lid on. There are 0 holes in this thing.

Before somebody tells me my field capacity was wrong, I used the same substrate on the same day in a mini-mono which fruited a full oz and is still going on its 1st flush still with PERFECT looking, tiny water droplets on the surface of the substrate and I have not misted that container ONCE. It is all naturally produced moisture from I was always told the energy and GE of the mycelium growing and creating condensation. That mini-mono has done excellent so far aside from the fact that they also all pinned on the sides but I used a black liner for that one. And they still actually pinned and grew more from the TOP of the sides, actually most of them took to the plastic very well that was hanging because I rushed it and didn't cut it.

However, since I used the same sub on the same day in both totes, I am coming to the conclusion that when I first started these shoeboxes I used the grocery bag with holes. I even used less holes than the majority do since I know it's rather dry in my place. Although I've seen recent posts of others finding success with the grocery bag, I don't think it's meant for me and my environment. I think the lid is much more ideal for retaining proper moisture, I feel had I just went with the lid from the start I would have seen much better results pinset wise.

I also mistakenly used clear plastic as a liner on the PE mini-mono that's still colonizing. I'm thinking of taping it up on the sides to block light in hopes of reducing another pinning trigger.


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