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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Pupenhause]
#26933955 - 09/13/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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by definition of a caloric surplus it's impossible to lose weight by dropping fat
you might be thinking you can eat more calories than you burn on your basal metabolic rate, which of course you can- by exercising
but unless your total daily energy expenditure - basal metabolism + calories burned during activities of daily living + calories burned from digestion + calories burned from intentional exercise- is greater than the total amount of energy you absorb, you can't lose fat weight. it's the first law of thermodyanmics
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The first law of thermodynamics says that when energy passes into or out of a system (as work, heat, or matter), the system's internal energy changes in accord with the law of conservation of energy.
you could theoretically maybe lose a little bit of weight while eating in a surplus if you take a bunch of diuretics and lose some water weight. but you can't lose fat in an energy surplus
even eating 100% protein, if youre absorbing more calories than you burn, you'll put on fat. the protein will be converted
this is why putting on muscle is great. it increases your basal metabolic rate. so it becomes easier over time to eat the same amount of food and be in a deficit, or eat more food and maintain your current weight
if you're in a surplus your muslces won't source energy from your body fat, they'll source it from the sugar floating around in your blood.
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: morrowasted]
#26933978 - 09/13/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Math!

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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26933982 - 09/13/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm doing just fine, thanks for caring lol
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: morrowasted]
#26934005 - 09/13/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe surplus is the wrong word to use but according to his story he lost fat while eating a shit load of calories, he gained a few pounds but lost a inch off his waist, his point being that energy out is not static and depends on more then just exercise and different calories have a different hormonal effect
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: gopher]
#26934128 - 09/13/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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well certainly, you can alter your metabolic rate by affecting your hormones. increasing thyroid hormone levels will burn energy faster. increasing testosterone levels will increase the rate of muscle growth which burns more energy. reducing your cortisol levels will make it easier for your muscles to take up the sugar in your blood so that it's less likely to end up as fat.
i also lost weight while eating a considerable amount of calories, most of which were carbs. nevertheless, when at the end of the day, one way or another, he and I both necessarily had to have been in a calorie deficit in order to drop the weight
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: morrowasted]
#26934212 - 09/13/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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how much of ur diet is ur bacterias diet
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: cannabinated]
#26934313 - 09/13/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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In the last 100 years, the only constant in nutritional theory is that vegetables are good for you. Everything else has bounced back and forth from good to bad several times.
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26934325 - 09/13/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even certain vegetables can be bad in the wrong amounts too. It's interesting that there's a higher percentage of edible animals than edible vegetation. I'd say the only true constant in nutrition, is that there's no such thing as a perfect diet. Too much variation among humans for one to be fit for everybody.
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Eminence]
#26934330 - 09/13/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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True, If I ate as much white rice as an average asian, I'd probably have diabeetus by now.
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26934355 - 09/13/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hear liver is really good for you, not sure what kind of liver though.
Someone once told me that one bite of a polar bear’s liver has enough vitamin a to kill an adult
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26934364 - 09/13/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Idk about that, the polar bear liver I mean. That sounds a bit extreme. But liver is one of the most nutrient dense foods I in the world. Don't think it matters what kind. I have beef and chicken liver maybe a couple times a month. I buy a pound of beef liver for like $1.50 and give small amounts of it to my dogs and cats every now and then. They fuckin love it.
I feel like Morrow won't agree, but I think organ meats are some of the healthiest things you can eat if you don't overdo it. Too many people only eat muscle, that's not where all the nutrients are.
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Eminence]
#26934395 - 09/14/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Illness severity depended on how much liver the explorers consumed, but symptoms typically included drowsiness, sluggishness, irritability, severe headache, bone pain, blurred vision and vomiting. Perhaps the most horrific symptom they encountered was peeling skin. While milder cases merely involved flaking around the mouth, some accounts reported cases of full-body skin loss. Even the thick skin on the bottoms of a patient's feet could peel away, leaving the underlying flesh bloody and exposed. The worst cases ended in liver damage, hemorrhage, coma and death.
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While the tolerable upper limit for healthy adults is set at 10,000 IU, signs of toxicity generally occur when approximately 25,000 to 33,000 IU are consumed
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a healthy human liver contains 575 international units (IU) of vitamin A per gram while a polar bear's liver contains between 24,000 and 35,000 IU per gram [source: Eliasen]. Compare that to the tolerable upper level of vitamin A intake for a healthy adult human: 10,000 IU
The condition is called “hypervitaminosis A” I don’t know if a bite would kill you but you definitely wouldn’t feel good .
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#26934401 - 09/14/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yikes. So my comment about liver being some of the most nutrient dense is still true, but I will make sure to never try polar bear liver. I'll stick with beef and chicken liver
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#26934525 - 09/14/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: True, If I ate as much white rice as an average asian, I'd probably have diabeetus by now.
the average Chinese has diabetes right now, before the 1980's China ate the least amount of sugar, even though they ate the most carbohydrates, but the low sugar seemed to protect them as they had a low rate of diabetes, in a single generation the amount of diabetes in China jumped up over 1000%
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Eminence]
#26934615 - 09/14/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Idk about that, the polar bear liver I mean. That sounds a bit extreme. But liver is one of the most nutrient dense foods I in the world. Don't think it matters what kind. I have beef and chicken liver maybe a couple times a month. I buy a pound of beef liver for like $1.50 and give small amounts of it to my dogs and cats every now and then. They fuckin love it.
I feel like Morrow won't agree, but I think organ meats are some of the healthiest things you can eat if you don't overdo it. Too many people only eat muscle, that's not where all the nutrients are.
no, I agree.
What you find in there are the fat soluble vitamin, mostly A D and K. In the context of the modern world most people already get enough of those. Theres some b vitamins and iron and copper as well. Iron deficiency is fairly common. Its not a bad idea to eat some occasionally
However I will say that the #1 thing americans dont eat enough of is dietary fiber. Most people also really underconsume magnesium and potassium. These are plant nutrients. Another thing that is underconsumed are omega3 fats. These nutrient deficiencies play a significant role in metabolic disorders and the development of hypertension. Colorectal cancer is also the #2 cancer killer in men and your risk of getting it goes way down as your fiber intake goes up.
The bacteria in your gut are also capable of eating fiber and pooping out certain nutrients, particularly vitamin K and essential fatty acids.
I eat 50 to 70 grams of fiber every day
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: gopher]
#26934619 - 09/14/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: True, If I ate as much white rice as an average asian, I'd probably have diabeetus by now.
the average Chinese has diabetes right now, before the 1980's China ate the least amount of sugar, even though they ate the most carbohydrates, but the low sugar seemed to protect them as they had a low rate of diabetes, in a single generation the amount of diabetes in China jumped up over 1000%
Saturated fats significantly contribute to developing insulin resistance. The other thing is that a sedentary lifestyle increases insulin resistance. Previously people used their muscles more frequently and that increased the usage of insulin. These days people eat a bunch of carbs and their pancreas releases the insulin but there is no need for ot because the muscles arent using much sugar
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: morrowasted]
#26934620 - 09/14/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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However I will say that the #1 thing americans dont eat enough of is dietary fiber. Most people also really underconsume magnesium and potassium. These are plant nutrients.
That's the cluster.
Too little vegetables and too little variety in said vegetables.
Vegetables are something you can, and should, eat by the pound. Watch the sauces and dressings but the vegetables themselves will apply clear health impulse if you increase them, unlike any other food group.
You're supposed to eat something WITH your vegetables so you dont have to munch down 5 pounds of them, but most people eat calorie dense foods INSTEAD of vegetables.
I didnt get seriously obese off of vegetables, i can tell you that.
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: Asante]
#26934643 - 09/14/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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6.667 eggs per meal. Some bodybuilders probably do shit like that on a regular basis. It's definitely possible. I dunno how healthy it would be, or how you'd keep yourself from becoming bored and disgusted w/ that much egg
I love eggs, I could probably keep up a diet like that for a week before reaching the point of never wanting to eat another egg again
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: meowjinx]
#26934655 - 09/14/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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My breakfast




Ive already hit or exceeded nearly a targets for the day and its not even 9 in the morning.
As you can see though even with all those plants im still shy of hitting magnesium and potassium. Most people are way way under the rdas for those nutrients
Once i eat a little bit of meat i will easily hit all those other targets
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Re: Think I could eat 20 eggs a day for 1 month? [Re: morrowasted]
#26934660 - 09/14/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you know why the potassium RDA is so high? I feel like even traditional diets would fall short of 4700mg
on fasting days I try to supplement 4700 mg but a lot of the time I only end up getting half of that, thats 2 whole teaspoons of potassium chloride
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