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pan foe or active pan group? EDIT:pics
    #26884941 - 08/17/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Habitat:
Where does it grow? new sod fertilized with compost manure.

Gills:
medium brown

Stem:
Britle 5 inches long

Cap  1.5 inches wide

Spore print color: black

Bruising:
None

Other information:
Located on manured lawn cinctulas not known in this area  however low population small uni. thousands i am sure are undocumented because of this.


I posted some pics of small pans with black spores was told likely pan foes.  But i cannot imagine the spores being any darker then this. Some od the foes look pretty dark till u put against the possible cinctulas or actove group prints and these are clearly different light or heavy spore deposit.


On the left the small prints are brown and of course foes however prints on right are dark and black. Found smaller specimens with dark black prints aswell. 

TI suspected just foes however this would mean black spore print isnt a way to distinguish between active var of pans and foes or lawn mowers mottlegill.


Oops



couple other specimens.
there stems do look lighter in teh pics and cannot see the scales as a bad pic... my camera is always about to die so have to work quick lol. but area.



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Re: pan foe or active pan group? [Re: the man]
    #26884972 - 08/17/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The picture in your images I would say is an active lawn pan. Get some good pics of the cap, stem, and gills along with a pic of the spore print. Black spore print is very likely active lawn pan


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Re: pan foe or active pan group? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26885310 - 08/17/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The stem looks a little off, i'd like to see a photo of the cap


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Re: pan foe or active pan group? [Re: Moria841]
    #26885430 - 08/17/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that this is most likely an active lawn Panaeolus,  could be Panaeolus: Subbalteatus (cinctulus); olivaceus; or fimicola. macrocharacteristics and spore print are not enough, Microscopy is useful in separating them but not always successful in determining the exact species because only one has obvious microscopic morphological features that separate it from the other look a likes,  Pan. fimicola will have sulphidia where there others do not.


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Re: pan foe or active pan group? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26885793 - 08/17/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

if a trusted IDer would like microscope sample, I live near the uni and may be able to see if the old micologist who did the herbarium/mushroom book for my province is still alive as would be nice to have something listed here that is active.

yes some of the foes looked black until actually compared to the "black spore colored sp" and can tell they will have black spores when they have the stem scaly white fuzz and slighty darker color to the stem.


i see on teh observer olivaceus being light and not darker tan greenish tones one would expect.

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Re: pan foe or active pan group? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26885913 - 08/18/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Doc9151 said:
I agree that this is most likely an active lawn Panaeolus,  could be Panaeolus: Subbalteatus (cinctulus); olivaceus; or fimicola. macrocharacteristics and spore print are not enough, Microscopy is useful in separating them but not always successful in determining the exact species because only one has obvious microscopic morphological features that separate it from the other look a likes,  Pan. fimicola will have sulphidia where there others do not.





I believe olivaceus can be distinguished from the other pans under the scope too as they are reported to have “slightly roughened spores” and all the others should have smooth I guess?  I have no experience looking at spores under a microscope by the way.. I’m just trying to follow along and learn this confusing sp.  It would be pretty cool to see an active confirmed in an area that they hadn’t previously been known to be.


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