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OfflineRedo
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Re: bush or kerry [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2738781 - 05/27/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Whats it really matter who wins at the end result. This administration is probably better off finishing what they started, instead of having to make too much change right now.

In the end pot is still illegal and your taxes will still be lower.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2738835 - 05/27/04 08:58 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

after all, pot and money are the only two things that matter


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: wrong]
    #2740741 - 05/28/04 08:15 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

> This administration is probably better off finishing what they started, instead of having to make too much change right now.

Why would they ever be motivated to finish what they have started if it means staying in office?


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: wrong]
    #2744247 - 05/29/04 12:08 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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after all, pot and money are the only two things that matter





seriously, i was hoping you were kidding when you first said that redo.


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Invisiblescott2004bc
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Re: bush or kerry [Re: John]
    #2745448 - 05/29/04 11:15 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Neither one, other,,,,


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: Tao]
    #2751758 - 05/31/04 11:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I didnt say that Tao =b, but they are damned important :laugh:/.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: John]
    #2772946 - 06/07/04 08:09 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Neither one will make pot legal but I bet Kerry would make the laws more lax and/or not make anymore stupid laws that effect the drug using community.
I think A lot of people are voting for Kerry because he is "not bush" and that is there only reason. They are both not that great of a choice. If we let the bush party stay the will just get lazy near the end of the next four years and not really give a shit cause the cant get back into office unless chaney runs and tell me: Who the fuck will vote for that guy?

If bush stays drugs laws will be stricter and there will be more of this national security bullshit where they can invade your privacy. He will most likly make just about all aspects of the war and America worse and this place will suck even more.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: Effed]
    #2773066 - 06/07/04 08:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I chose Bush because I like him, pure and simple. Kerry is a flip flopping, no stance having, blowing in the wind military hating mofo.

Go Bush:)


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: thatbig]
    #2773108 - 06/07/04 09:03 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

And Bush hasn't flip-flopped? If you think this, I could show you some examples to the contrary which make Kerry's "flip-flops"(many of which are changes in his position over a long period of time) pale in comparison.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2774184 - 06/08/04 08:27 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Kerry changes on almost everything, some over long periods of time some over days. All politicians change stances, but Kerry likes to have his cake and eat it too, eg the famous "I voted yes before I voted no".


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: John]
    #2774419 - 06/08/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Can someone offer a LOGICAL or REASONED arguement as to why Kerry isn't the better candidate? I mean, I see a lot of school-yard name calling in the posts above, lots of generalized statements about how one is the "lesser of two evils" but can someone discuss this issue without name calling?

I think that those who fall into the arguments presented above are really allowing the propoganda of both parties to get to them. I know neither candidate is the "bee's knees" so to speak, but at the same time there are logical and reasonable arguments as to why one might be "better" than the other that don't involve statements like "He's not Bush" or "He's a puss dripping douche bag" ect.

Comon, elevate the level of debate, for if we don't we are just as much to blame for the failure of our elected officials.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2774487 - 06/08/04 11:10 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

As a senator, you often vote on the same bill many times because people always attach rider bills to it, so it's likely that many of these "flip-flops" were ones where he supported the bill, but wanted to get rid of the rider. Thus one could "vote yes before voting no" and not really be "flip-flopping."


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2774507 - 06/08/04 11:20 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Its why senators rarely get voted in. And oddly, Christians dont either. Except JFK, who was both. =b


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2774523 - 06/08/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Redo said:
Its why senators rarely get voted in.



Truman
Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon

All served in the U.S. senate.

Quote:

And oddly, Christians dont either.



:wtf:


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: thatbig]
    #2774538 - 06/08/04 11:35 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Kerry a "flip-flopper?" Saying that you don't have the ability to adjust your policy as circumstances change and evolve around is archaic logic at best. Everyone should have the ability to do this, as long as the arguement behind doing so is REASONED and LOGICAL.

But, in truth as stated above, most of Kerry's alleged "Flip-Flops" come from "riders" on bills that he voted for or against. Not to mention the distortion of truth that is typical of the current Republican attack machine.

Kerry voted for an alternative Iraq funding bill that paid for the operations by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, but voted against the Republican backed bill which didn't fund the operation is any kind of fiscially respponsible manner... hence the now infamous "I voted for it before voting against it" shit.

But while we are on the topic of Flip Flops.. lets take a look at those executed by our Commander in Cheif:

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

These are just a few.. the list is long and I didn't want to put anybody to sleep reading it.

The TRUTH with set you free my young republican friends :wink:.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: Redo]
    #2774542 - 06/08/04 11:38 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

The ONLY US president that was not an admitted christian was Thomas Jefferson.. and even that is disputed by some historians.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: psilocyber]
    #2774563 - 06/08/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

psilocyber said:
The ONLY US president that was not an admitted christian was Thomas Jefferson.. and even that is disputed by some historians.



Millard Fillmore and William Howard Taft were Unitarian, which derives from Christianity, but could not properly be called Christian, since it denies the divinity of Christ. Also, Andrew Johnson belonged to no church. In general, though, almost every president has been Christian.


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2776809 - 06/09/04 01:41 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

sorry, I meant Catholic, my head is never on straight.

http://www.usconstitution.com/PresByReligion.htm


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: psilocyber]
    #2777332 - 06/09/04 08:41 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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The ONLY US president that was not an admitted christian was Thomas Jefferson.. 



Ironic as he is ,IMHO, THE MOST like a follower of Christ(as opposed to a christian which has many conotations)
WR:wexican:


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Re: bush or kerry [Re: whiterasta]
    #2800184 - 06/16/04 06:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

you guys should go see www.fahrenheit911.com



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