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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: imachavel]
    #26890157 - 08/20/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You seem to confuse force with authority.  Sometimes, I read your posts and wonder what your first language is.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26890182 - 08/20/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How does one enforce authority? What do they use? Sometimes I read your posts and think you are not actually a lawyer but just a troll who does not want to be wrong.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #26890602 - 08/20/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't care if people scrutinize every single word I post - but if the best criticism you can bring forth is 'this is copypasta' then you should have spent more effort in researching your own argument.

If either of you had put in the effort of googling the claims of Andy Ngo or Project Veritas before echoing those claims here, effort that has clearly been put into googling my own posts, you would have found out that these are unethical journalists on your own and I wouldn't be having to debunk the same tired old fascist disinformation with the same tired old copypasta in response.




Based on your opinion of Tim Pool, our standards of what makes one "ethical" are clearly different.

Project Veritas videos should be taken on a case by case basis. Dismissing them all as categorically false is intellectually dishonest and WAY too convenient of an excuse to not look at something (keeping your head in the sand).

Same with Andy Gno videos. Case by case.



I already asked "what have you done to examine and verify (as much as possible) the claims made in the specific video that you shared by Project Veritas? My mind is open and listening." In true bad faith style, you neglected to answer this question and instead asked for my opinion on the video first - which I, in good faith, gave you. You never got back to me.

You keep asking me to take these things on a case by case basis, but you haven't made any attempt to verify any individual case beyond asking me to believe the words of an established liar.

I'll ask again: what have you done to examine and verify (as much as possible) the claims made in the specific video that you shared?



And still no response.




Give me another day or two. I'm not ignoring you.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26890614 - 08/20/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We've been giving you days on all sorts of promises.

You writing these posts on your cell phone?


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: christopera]
    #26890621 - 08/20/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I owe you nothing.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26890668 - 08/20/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I never said you did.

I’m just waiting for that Seattle real estate crash so I can buy some up. I figured you had an inside line since you were so prophetic about it.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: imachavel]
    #26890683 - 08/20/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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How does one enforce authority? What do they use? .



Stupid post. That's like saying cop cars are black and white so every black and white car must be a cop car.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: christopera]
    #26890688 - 08/20/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Seattle real estate is so expensive no crash is going to fix those prices. 20 years ago Seattle was cheaper then Miami, LA, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, you name it it was an up and coming city but well within value. At this point in history I would not be surprised if it was 2nd in price only to the level of price you would get from New York or San Fran. The best you could expect in a real estate crash in Seattle now would be like $500,000 average home price which for Seattle would be astonishing. There is no where else to build. Too many laws preventing any more destruction of natural area and Seattle is hardcore liberal they stick to their guns about that. Except liberals don't believe in guns.

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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil]
    #26890707 - 08/20/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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How does one enforce authority? What do they use? .



Stupid post. That's like saying cop cars are black and white so every black and white car must be a cop car.




No I am saying authority is established with force. I like you how start typing while I am writing another post a few times today already you done that. Good use of the who's online.

No I am not saying that at all about black and white cops cars. I am pointing out how stupid your idea is that authority is only established under law. Force is authority and law uses force to establish authority. Your post is like saying in prison the prison bitch of the yard is not under fascist authority because its not under prison law. It is force. It is allowed to happen. It is authority. Your definition and mine is very different but to me any violence that is financed in any way shape or form and left untouched is authority. Even more so any violence with strong racial undertones so much so that its hard to call it an undertone is racial violence. So any racially violent unchecked and indirectly financed authority is still authority.

Fascist rule was decided in the society first then adopted by the government. Governments are only macrocosisms of societies anyway. I even had to use that word. Macroscosm.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26891045 - 08/21/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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There's absolutely nothing fascist about blm or antifa. That is just some right wing fantasy shit.




You sure?



Yes




It's funny the way some people can't admit fascism is right wing, and just thinks it's a synonym for oppressive government.  I guess because our culture vilifies Nazi Germany so much, and modern conservatives can't deal with being on the same side as them on the political spectrum.  BLM and Antifa may contain some elements of Marxism, but Marxism in the 21st century means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

Everyone is entitled to their own political viewpoint, but at least know the difference between the right and the left.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26891054 - 08/21/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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How does one enforce authority? What do they use? Sometimes I read your posts and think you are not actually a lawyer but just a troll who does not want to be wrong.




I think he's really a lawyer. I've had a couple lawyers, and in court they sometimes speak in a legally technical manner. Sometimes Enlil posts in that fashion. I think it would be really hard to fake it.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: christopera]
    #26891058 - 08/21/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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We've been giving you days on all sorts of promises.

You writing these posts on your cell phone?




Two tin cans connected by string, but the tin foil hat is causing interference. Maybe if he moves next to a 5G tower it will make more sense.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26891984 - 08/21/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It's painfully true. If you find my criticism of Andy Ngo to be weak, provide your own counter-argument. So far I've provided copious amounts of evidence and reasoning to support my claim - you've provided nothing.







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Ok... Shiva's post makes a WHOLE lot more sense now. It's a copy-paste from this site.




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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Niffla]
    #26892061 - 08/21/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Feel free to consider me a fraud, but I wonder if anyone will ever manage to stop commenting on my character and actually attempt to contest the points in the post.


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The argument always comes back to my character when my points can't be contested. I'm used to it. :shrug:



At least three times now you've turned the discussion to whether my posts are my own words or not, rather than contest the point so :shrug:




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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26892246 - 08/21/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's not your character directly. It's the fact you took 30 seconds to copy-paste something and you're demanding a counter argument quickly *as if* YOU had the time to write it. ("So why doesn't anyone else?") Your level of expectation from OTHERS is not only completely out of sync with the effort you've put in yourself, but you've projected yourself AS IF you put in the effort.

See, if you actually fucking wrote it, you could hold that higher ground right now, which is why the deception of making people THINK you wrote it is insidious whether you agree or not.

In order to play on your level, I could get back to your point in a month if I feel like it and you still wouldn't be able to demand shit, because you've done no actual work thus far. I'm not impressed, and lesser so that you deceive people into thinking it is your own words.

I'll get to replying to everything, and I'll actually put in the work when I have time, and for you to act like someone OUGHT to have come back with a full retort by now in order to be on your level is complete nonsense with the context we now have. (TBH I could have done it tonight but spontaneous last minute plans came up. I'll get to it as soon as I can, because I'm interested in this.)


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26892325 - 08/21/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You've spent more time making excuses as to why you haven't replied yet than you would have just replying in the first place.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26892341 - 08/21/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You've spent more time making excuses as to why you haven't replied yet than you would have just replying in the first place.



No he hasn’t.  Shiva’s post is extensive.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray] * 1
    #26892499 - 08/21/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You've spent more time making excuses as to why you haven't replied yet than you would have just replying in the first place.



No he hasn’t.  Shiva’s post is extensive.



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RATHER than contest the point? No, that's untrue. I'm getting back to your points as much as I can, just give it time.

Secondly, there's a critical difference between a personal attack and pointing out someone likes to copy-paste words and claim them as their own.

Dude, you spent what, 30 seconds copying and pasting that Andy Gno thread and now you're gonna get on my case for not having the three hours necessary to go through it overnight, while simultaneously not admitting you didn't do dick shit for work to make your points, but just plagiarized someone else's work?

This is partially  why your tactics are deceptive. My initial reply to you which was like two or three statements required more effort and thought than your copy-paste, but you're making everyone else feel like you've done all this great research yourself when in reality you're just stealing credit.

So if you want me to put up, you're gonna have to give it time. A rebuttal is going to take a lot more effort than a lazy, no work required copy-paste. And now that I know you didn't write all that shit yourself, I don't feel as rushed to get back to it, either. Why should I work 30 times harder than you're willing to?



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I post more sources when arguing than anyone on the fucking forum aside from Shiva and maybe Falcon. (And the majority of sources that come from Shiva are copy-pasted.) :rolleyes:

And I never said anything about not rebutting arguments. I said it's going to take time to rebuttal. You're criticizing me for not having 3 hours when all Shiva did was copy-paste. 



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Whether my work is original or not has no bearing on the merit of the argument itself.




LMAO. This is literally the point I'm making about project veritas videos. The merit of the video stands alone. Whether or not it came from PV is not relevant in the grand scheme, only to give us more context initially.

But regardless, we source information in order to not appear like we're stealing it. Knowing who wrote it is important, as you also know. It's just not the final say on the piece.

I'll get back to your other questions. I'm not avoiding them intentionally. I've been on the road.



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Give me another day or two. I'm not ignoring you.



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I can mostly agree with your take on that minus a little nuance.

I should be able to get back to you tomorrow. Also, my respect for you is growing. You're very adept at staying on point and being thorough, unlike most everyone else here.



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It's not your character directly. It's the fact you took 30 seconds to copy-paste something and you're demanding a counter argument quickly *as if* YOU had the time to write it. ("So why doesn't anyone else?") Your level of expectation from OTHERS is not only completely out of sync with the effort you've put in yourself, but you've projected yourself AS IF you put in the effort.

See, if you actually fucking wrote it, you could hold that higher ground right now, which is why the deception of making people THINK you wrote it is insidious whether you agree or not.

In order to play on your level, I could get back to your point in a month if I feel like it and you still wouldn't be able to demand shit, because you've done no actual work thus far. I'm not impressed, and lesser so that you deceive people into thinking it is your own words.

I'll get to replying to everything, and I'll actually put in the work when I have time, and for you to act like someone OUGHT to have come back with a full retort by now in order to be on your level is complete nonsense with the context we now have. (TBH I could have done it tonight but spontaneous last minute plans came up. I'll get to it as soon as I can, because I'm interested in this.)




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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26892514 - 08/21/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't have to do hours and hours of research to spit these one to three minute posts out.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26893074 - 08/22/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If all I was doing was dumping shit here, blowing up my argument should be easy - but I didn't just take "30 seconds to copy-paste something" - I spent the time to look into the veracity of every claim made. We both know this because you already tried to contest one of the claims made, and quickly ran into a wall when I responded back (in my own words, for the record).

And what then was your response?

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Ok... Shiva's post makes a WHOLE lot more sense now. It's a copy-paste from this site. (or one similar.) I thought he had written all that up himself for a moment.




I'm gonna just let Vahn421 criticize Vahn421 here:
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The argument always comes back to my character when my points can't be contested. I'm used to it. :shrug:





Just look at this highlighted phrasing:
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It's not your character directly.

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the deception of making people THINK you wrote it is insidious whether you agree or not.




It's clear you believe copy-and-pasting paints my character as deceptive and insidious - not the information in the post - and you've already agreed with this assessment:

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I can mostly agree with your take on that minus a little nuance.

I should be able to get back to you tomorrow. Also, my respect for you is growing. You're very adept at staying on point and being thorough, unlike most everyone else here.






Whenever you're ready to stop pretending that copypasta is the crime of the century, I'll be waiting for you to contest any of my points. I've already suggested you start with my criticism of that one Project Veritas video you shared if you are truly upset with the Ngo Go Zone being copypasta.

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