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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26887454 - 08/18/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A link.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil]
    #26887456 - 08/18/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it is.  If you click it, you’ll see the picture and name of Patrice Cullors, who has the title of “Interim Director and Board President.”

That’s not an organizational position of power?


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26887457 - 08/18/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Of the foundation. Not of the movement.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil]
    #26887459 - 08/18/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That doesn’t mean it’s not an organization.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26887460 - 08/18/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The foundation is,  sure.  The foundation isn't in the streets protesting,  though.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26887461 - 08/18/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The foundation isn't in the street protesting.



Exactly, because it’s an organization.  High level gangsters aren’t in the streets either, but they’re still in the gang


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26887464 - 08/18/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So,  your argument isn't that black lives matter is fascist,  but that black lives matter foundation,  Inc. Is?

Just when I thought you hit the peak of stupidity, you fire another booster and go even further.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil]
    #26887471 - 08/18/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26887477 - 08/18/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think that's his argument.

I think he is saying that if the average BLM supporter or average member who "claims" to be Antifa had all the power, America would turn more fascist like in our behavior.

He isn't wrong.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26887486 - 08/18/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There's absolutely nothing fascist about blm or antifa. That is just some right wing fantasy shit.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26887537 - 08/18/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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These "protests" are not peaceful and have not been peaceful for a long time. Not only that, but despite the fact that they want to call themselves peaceful, they never denounce or try to stop the massive amounts of violence that occurs on the regular. Now some guy was physically pulled out of his truck and beaten unconscious and what do these so-called "peaceful" "protesters" have to say about it? Jack shit. They probably secretly enjoy it.

Everyone who chased down that guys car and pulled him out needs to be arrested and put in jail, and so does everyone else who participated in violence or called for violence during these riots.




What is scary is how integrated the candidate party is now in street gangs. If Trump wins Proud Boys integrate themselves stronger on the streets. If Biden wins Antifa considers it a victory. It is scary how much support the candidates this year are getting from protestors who have non stop roamed from city to city causing anarchy in each place they go for about 4 months now. Its so clear how Trump will not send Feds in to bust up Proud Boys the way Biden obviously won't to break up Antifa is he wins.

Voters now are influenced by what wandering thugs think and say out on the streets all day. The Presidency could not be any more of a mafia power seat then it ever has been. Not that it is not entirely literally as that is anyway with the pyramid of power up the chain of Congress and into the seat of POTUS and all the media and corporate buy outs in policies to get actual money buy outs to be put in such power. But now I feel like anyone with half a brain cell of awareness can see that these political street movements are fueling media perception and candidates are now not only allowing these thug organisations to continue mostly uninterrupted but they are being financed in a way as the media is purposefully covering them for political prestige.

It sounds like something from a super creative script rewritten from actual life events and reformed into beautiful semi-fiction like the script to Goodfellas. Fuck that though. Its 100% as real as it gets? Can anyone say otherwise? You guys have been arguing over it for 3 pages.

Fuck is it scary though? Yes. Who knows what future policies this country is going to see. We know someone will win. They will say whatever it takes to win. Once they get there they unleash whatever arsenal they truly have planned all they want and Congress battles over the legal pieces that make up our fragile daily lives for the next 4 years as the current POTUS tries to sway all the seats in The House and Senate as well. Fucking scary shit.

I can only guess what the next 4 years will be like. This is for sure though. The fate of ww3 will be decided in November. Every leader in every fucked up major world power country like Putin in Russia and China and the nations in Europe etc. are going to decide their own policies as well knowing how they can interact with the United States. Shit is going to be fucked up.

But even men as powerful as these man are still are so pathetic and desperate they need all the influence they can get from criminal organisations disguised as political street movements. A rat truly leaves no fucking crumb untouched eh? Pathetic but even more pathetic is how small we are in the grand scheme of this political mechanical beast called the world.

Fucked we all are but yet as surely as we are not yet. November decides the next world dictator.

They say every major empire in history has fallen. We came close this year when China released the biowarfare virus on the world. We still did not nuke them. Regardless, look at the state of the world now. How powerless we really are. Yet how low these rats will stoop to get a little more approval to get a little more power from all the ants. What do the next 4 years hold for us? Because as powerless as we all are in the total grand scheme of things we all do something major and the world stops for a day and even the POTUS blinks and has to think about it for a minute. Are we fucked all the way in the ass to a total world ending apocalypse coming up before 2024? Or do these rats in office have to come ask permission to nuke the whole world to hell first?

My questions may seem stupid but damn stop and think about this shit for a minute and tell me they are not good questions.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26887538 - 08/18/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The foundation is,  sure.  The foundation isn't in the streets protesting,  though.




Yeah it is


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26887540 - 08/18/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think that's his argument.

I think he is saying that if the average BLM supporter or average member who "claims" to be Antifa had all the power, America would turn more fascist like in our behavior.

He isn't wrong.




Totally not

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There's absolutely nothing fascist about blm or antifa. That is just some right wing fantasy shit.




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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26889922 - 08/20/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't care if people scrutinize every single word I post - but if the best criticism you can bring forth is 'this is copypasta' then you should have spent more effort in researching your own argument.

If either of you had put in the effort of googling the claims of Andy Ngo or Project Veritas before echoing those claims here, effort that has clearly been put into googling my own posts, you would have found out that these are unethical journalists on your own and I wouldn't be having to debunk the same tired old fascist disinformation with the same tired old copypasta in response.




Based on your opinion of Tim Pool, our standards of what makes one "ethical" are clearly different.

Project Veritas videos should be taken on a case by case basis. Dismissing them all as categorically false is intellectually dishonest and WAY too convenient of an excuse to not look at something (keeping your head in the sand).

Same with Andy Gno videos. Case by case.



I already asked "what have you done to examine and verify (as much as possible) the claims made in the specific video that you shared by Project Veritas? My mind is open and listening." In true bad faith style, you neglected to answer this question and instead asked for my opinion on the video first - which I, in good faith, gave you. You never got back to me.

You keep asking me to take these things on a case by case basis, but you haven't made any attempt to verify any individual case beyond asking me to believe the words of an established liar.

I'll ask again: what have you done to examine and verify (as much as possible) the claims made in the specific video that you shared?



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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: imachavel]
    #26890106 - 08/20/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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There's absolutely nothing fascist about blm or antifa. That is just some right wing fantasy shit.




You sure?



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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #26890110 - 08/20/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I cannot believe anyone thinks being able to attend constant protests and beat people up who do not support your political views and get away with it and do it again the next day at another protest rinse and repeat does not count as authoritarian power over political matters. Its in the media. People watch it. Its dictatorial as shit at least in the nature of itself. Cherry picking would be acting as though it is only dictatorial if the Government does it.

Same thing with right wing protests. Ok less beatings but if you don't support Trump the next day they show up with guns as long as it is an open carry state. Pretty dictatorial.

Now every protest is basically two groups about to fist fight. I know its constitutional and no one can take away someones right to protest.

But its like the cops are letting people fight it out as though the groups paid off the city from political parties. Hmmm, its almost exactly like that. Of course I cannot say it is exactly like that because I have no proof. Now the candidates use the protestors verbal maneuvering in their campaign rhetoric. Did Trump really come up with "Sleepy Joe" on his own the put it in ads? I feel like protestors at right wing rallies had signs that said "don't vote for sleepy Joe Biden unless you want a President with dementia."

It is scary how dictatorial any campaign where protest slang becomes campaign promises "hey the other guy is called so and so at on the street we are not going to let him win are we?" These people have too much power.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: imachavel]
    #26890125 - 08/20/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Protesters have no authority at all.  Without authority, how can they be authoritarian?


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil]
    #26890127 - 08/20/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A man who can beat another man and influence political views throughout the media has no authority?


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: imachavel]
    #26890132 - 08/20/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Not unless that person has authority, which the protesters do not.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26890139 - 08/20/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A violent person goes to jail to remove their authority over society and is placed so by someone with authority. Violent protestors not being arrested for violence gives authority and sends a strong political message. Candidates then use slang these political groups throw around to further fuel political hate towards opposite opponents. If that is not authority I do not know what is. "There are not enough cops around to cover these acts of violence" is not an excuse when there are usually 20 cops present less then a few hundred feet away. Its almost like they don't act unless backed by Feds with shields and clubs then they will go beat every person in the street. Seems like they are being granted authority.


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