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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
#26886875 - 08/18/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a copy and paste because I'm not going to write an original post everytime someone makes a post rehashing the same tired old fascist disinformation. Your arguments are weak, unoriginal, and tiring - everything you bring here has already been brought up and debunked multiple times on this forum.
Like here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26090139#26090139
And here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26152411#26152411
Spend less time googling my posts, and more time googling for evidence of your own claims because you've still provided nothing. When only one side is using evidence to form reasonable conclusions, it's clear where the bias lies.
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It’s funny that you say people here are unoriginal as you copy and paste someone else’s work. Why don’t you want people looking up your arguments? That means they are familiarizing themselves with what you just looked up.
We all do it. I don’t think anybody here has an original thought.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
#26886912 - 08/18/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't care if people scrutinize every single word I post - but if the best criticism you can bring forth is 'this is copypasta' then you should have spent more effort in researching your own argument.
If either of you had put in the effort of googling the claims of Andy Ngo or Project Veritas before echoing those claims here, effort that has clearly been put into googling my own posts, you would have found out that these are unethical journalists on your own and I wouldn't be having to debunk the same tired old fascist disinformation with the same tired old copypasta in response.
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I acknowledged Andy isn’t always accurate, but to say his work should be discredited or what is seen on his page isn’t happening is foolish. These people in Portland are not peaceful and they do not want peace. They are fascists.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
#26886978 - 08/18/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you actually believe that they are fascists then you fundamentally don’t understand fascism.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
#26886985 - 08/18/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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"At @Portland_State interfaith panel today, the Muslim student speaker said that apostates will be killed or banished in an Islamic state."
But this is actually true. In fact, it's actually generous. Ngo is slightly incorrect with his wording as NON-believers would have the option to be banished, but *apostates* would likely simply be killed. I'm genuinely confused how this was taken out of context... what exactly needed clarifying? I'm reading this over and over again. What was said that is untrue, exactly?
Really you can’t figure out what is wrong with what Ngo said and why it misrepresented the student’s words?
ngo clearly made it sound not only that the student endorsed killing apostates, but that he was making a threat.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: christopera] 1
#26887051 - 08/18/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: If you actually believe that they are fascists then you fundamentally don’t understand fascism.
From Wiki, "Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation." What's happening in Portland is political violence and these people believe what they're doing is leading to national rejuvenation.
More from Wiki's fascism page, "Fascism emphasizes direct action, including supporting the legitimacy of political violence, as a core part of its politics." It's not enough to not be racist, you have to be an anti-racist to appease Leftists nowadays.
"This emphasis on the use of political violence means that most fascist parties have also created their own private militias (e.g. the Nazi Party's Brown shirts and Fascist Italy's Blackshirts)." Hmm violent private militias....Sounds kinda like BLM and Antifa if you ask me.
This article by Rachel Alexander makes a compelling argument as to why the Left is fascist. I don't expect you to read it but if you do, I'd like to see you debunk it. https://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2020/08/10/the-new-far-left-fascism-n2573993
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: koods]
#26887110 - 08/18/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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"At @Portland_State interfaith panel today, the Muslim student speaker said that apostates will be killed or banished in an Islamic state."
But this is actually true. In fact, it's actually generous. Ngo is slightly incorrect with his wording as NON-believers would have the option to be banished, but *apostates* would likely simply be killed. I'm genuinely confused how this was taken out of context... what exactly needed clarifying? I'm reading this over and over again. What was said that is untrue, exactly?
Really you can’t figure out what is wrong with what Ngo said and why it misrepresented the student’s words?
ngo clearly made it sound not only that the student endorsed killing apostates, but that he was making a threat.
He DOES endorse it. Are you saying he doesn't?
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shivas.wisdom said: I don't care if people scrutinize every single word I post - but if the best criticism you can bring forth is 'this is copypasta' then you should have spent more effort in researching your own argument.
If either of you had put in the effort of googling the claims of Andy Ngo or Project Veritas before echoing those claims here, effort that has clearly been put into googling my own posts, you would have found out that these are unethical journalists on your own and I wouldn't be having to debunk the same tired old fascist disinformation with the same tired old copypasta in response.
Based on your opinion of Tim Pool, our standards of what makes one "ethical" are clearly different.
Project Veritas videos should be taken on a case by case basis. Dismissing them all as categorically false is intellectually dishonest and WAY too convenient of an excuse to not look at something (keeping your head in the sand).
Same with Andy Gno videos. Case by case.
Now, I'm still arguing the one point about Gno and the Muslim. I do not see what is being misrepresented here. Gno's words are true. Just because they are said without being sugar-coated doesn't make them less true.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
#26887129 - 08/18/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Meh, nm.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
#26887130 - 08/18/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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These "protests" are not peaceful and have not been peaceful for a long time. Not only that, but despite the fact that they want to call themselves peaceful, they never denounce or try to stop the massive amounts of violence that occurs on the regular. Now some guy was physically pulled out of his truck and beaten unconscious and what do these so-called "peaceful" "protesters" have to say about it? Jack shit. They probably secretly enjoy it.
Everyone who chased down that guys car and pulled him out needs to be arrested and put in jail, and so does everyone else who participated in violence or called for violence during these riots.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: nooneman]
#26887134 - 08/18/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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As I said, white executions in the street.
And these people don't even have much power right now. My hypothetical in my other thread is contingent on them having power. Imagine what kind of world this would look like if they were in charge. Instant return to fascist dictatorships, and therein lies all the irony of them calling themselves Antifa.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
#26887152 - 08/18/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: If you actually believe that they are fascists then you fundamentally don’t understand fascism.
From Wiki, "Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation." What's happening in Portland is political violence and these people believe what they're doing is leading to national rejuvenation.
More from Wiki's fascism page, "Fascism emphasizes direct action, including supporting the legitimacy of political violence, as a core part of its politics." It's not enough to not be racist, you have to be an anti-racist to appease Leftists nowadays.
"This emphasis on the use of political violence means that most fascist parties have also created their own private militias (e.g. the Nazi Party's Brown shirts and Fascist Italy's Blackshirts)." Hmm violent private militias....Sounds kinda like BLM and Antifa if you ask me.
This article by Rachel Alexander makes a compelling argument as to why the Left is fascist. I don't expect you to read it but if you do, I'd like to see you debunk it. https://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2020/08/10/the-new-far-left-fascism-n2573993
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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]
How convenient of you to skip over that part.
Notice how Antifa isn't authoritarian, dictatorial, forces suppression, or a strong regimentation of society?
Stop it with the cherry picking.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: christopera]
#26887192 - 08/18/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't think cancel culture forces suppression? Also, you don't think Antifa and BLM are authoritarian in nature? Dictatorial per thefreedictionary.com, "Tending to tell others what to do in a presumptuous manner." That sounds a lot like BLM and Antifa.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
#26887216 - 08/18/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: As I said, white executions in the street.
And these people don't even have much power right now. My hypothetical in my other thread is contingent on them having power. Imagine what kind of world this would look like if they were in charge. Instant return to fascist dictatorships, and therein lies all the irony of them calling themselves Antifa. 
They go after broke ass white peasants on the street instead of protesting the people in charge. They're a misguided group of people most likely taking orders from people that infiltrated the groups a long time ago.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
#26887233 - 08/18/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: I don't care if people scrutinize every single word I post - but if the best criticism you can bring forth is 'this is copypasta' then you should have spent more effort in researching your own argument.
If either of you had put in the effort of googling the claims of Andy Ngo or Project Veritas before echoing those claims here, effort that has clearly been put into googling my own posts, you would have found out that these are unethical journalists on your own and I wouldn't be having to debunk the same tired old fascist disinformation with the same tired old copypasta in response.
Based on your opinion of Tim Pool, our standards of what makes one "ethical" are clearly different.
Project Veritas videos should be taken on a case by case basis. Dismissing them all as categorically false is intellectually dishonest and WAY too convenient of an excuse to not look at something (keeping your head in the sand).
Same with Andy Gno videos. Case by case.
I already asked "what have you done to examine and verify (as much as possible) the claims made in the specific video that you shared by Project Veritas? My mind is open and listening." In true bad faith style, you neglected to answer this question and instead asked for my opinion on the video first - which I, in good faith, gave you. You never got back to me.
You keep asking me to take these things on a case by case basis, but you haven't made any attempt to verify any individual case beyond asking me to believe the words of an established liar.
I'll ask again: what have you done to examine and verify (as much as possible) the claims made in the specific video that you shared?
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Billy Ray]
#26887286 - 08/18/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: You don't think cancel culture forces suppression? Also, you don't think Antifa and BLM are authoritarian in nature? Dictatorial per thefreedictionary.com, "Tending to tell others what to do in a presumptuous manner." That sounds a lot like BLM and Antifa.
That is not the political definition, that is the definition when you are using the word to describe a pushy person.
Now, tell me how this applies to BLM and Antifa
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favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: koods]
#26887298 - 08/18/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Project Veritas videos should be taken on a case by case basis. Dismissing them all as categorically false is intellectually dishonest and WAY too convenient of an excuse to not look at something (keeping your head in the sand).
The problem with project veritas is it is often very hard to tell how they are manipulating the information to suit their narrative. They should be dismissed out of hand and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with doing so. The have forfeited their credibility through past behavior. If someone lies to me half the time, it would be foolish to ever believe anything they say.
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: koods]
#26887304 - 08/18/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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And these people don't even have much power right now. My hypothetical in my other thread is contingent on them having power. Imagine what kind of world this would look like if they were in charge. Instant return to fascist dictatorships, and therein lies all the irony of them calling themselves Antifa.
You’re presenting this like it’s a fact, when in reality it’s a paranoid delusion
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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
#26887320 - 08/18/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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"At @Portland_State interfaith panel today, the Muslim student speaker said that apostates will be killed or banished in an Islamic state."
But this is actually true. In fact, it's actually generous. Ngo is slightly incorrect with his wording as NON-believers would have the option to be banished, but *apostates* would likely simply be killed. I'm genuinely confused how this was taken out of context... what exactly needed clarifying? I'm reading this over and over again. What was said that is untrue, exactly?
Really you can’t figure out what is wrong with what Ngo said and why it misrepresented the student’s words?
ngo clearly made it sound not only that the student endorsed killing apostates, but that he was making a threat.
He DOES endorse it. Are you saying he doesn't? 
He was simply answering a question factually. He doesn’t give his opinion at all except to say “he won’t sugarcoat it,” which doesn’t sound like an endorsement at all.
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