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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26902186 - 08/27/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've played it, I can speak of it, it's not even in the realm of "most thought provoking"

And as brian said, this has nothing to do with which game is better, it's this quote here thats the problem:

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will provoke thoughts relating to the reality of the human condition more than almost any other game, movie or book in existence




Opinion sure, but no joke that may be one of the saddest things I've read in this sub.
Basing your political alignments and world views on lessons you learned from vidya games :sad:


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26902206 - 08/27/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you can't give me an alternative title that raises the bar, I'm going just say you're completely full of shit.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902224 - 08/27/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think Mario Dream World is pretty under rated. It really makes me reflect on the life and existence.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: christopera]
    #26902239 - 08/27/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I know you're being sarcastic, but did you know the creator of Mario admitted they chose a "suspicious mushroom" as the symbol for Mario, "expanding" intentionally for reasons all of here would understand?


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902248 - 08/27/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

As a person who has grown and taken shrooms for 20 years the only thing I would say to that  is 
So what , who cares it’s a fucking game for kids .


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26902301 - 08/27/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So what , who cares




Me, and millions of others like me. :shrug:


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902318 - 08/27/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can't give me an alternative title that raises the bar, I'm going just say you're completely full of shit.



Completely full of shit?

Again dude. Fallout new vegas has never emotionally moved me to tears. Dozens of songs,
paintings, movies, and books HAVE done so. I'm not gonna sit here and get into
a title war with you.

Your statement, albeit opinion, is a woefully silly statement to make and
it makes me feel bad for you. Not trying to be insulting here dude. Genuinely it makes
me feel empathy for you.

Now, if you would like a recommendation for thought provoking titles, one I'd
recommend is Ishmael by daniel quinn. Thought provoking and a decent,
original argument about the nature of mankind


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26902355 - 08/27/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Your statement, albeit opinion, is a woefully silly statement to make and
it makes me feel bad for you. Not trying to be insulting here dude. Genuinely it makes
me feel empathy for you.




Liar.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902363 - 08/27/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's fine dude.

Seriously my feeling aren't hurt at all by that.

I feel true empathy for lots of people in lots of situations. In this situation,
I feel it for you. Believe it or dont, no skin off my back or mushrooms out of my tubs :shrug:


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26902367 - 08/27/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Feeling "empathy" for someone who is completely content in their tastes is egotistically condescending.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26902378 - 08/27/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A homeless man may be content with his situation. Empathy can still be felt at the sight of him digging in trash.

Your worldview is molded by video games and youtube vids that have locked you in a chamber of fear.
I feel empathy for you even if you don't recognize the true tragedy spelled out in your posts.

Take it however you want


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26902389 - 08/27/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My takeaway is that you're so completely wrong about me, I feel empathy for you. :lol:


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26902416 - 08/27/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

However you want means however you want :shrug:

I'm not the one arguing in favor of police violation of constitutional rights
and condoning vigilante murder of people you disagree with.

Your worldview is obviously drenched in fear mongering and a propensity for authoritarianism. I find that sad.

I, on the other hand, spend my time fishing, growing mushrooms, hiking, shooting bows and guns,
owning a small business, and I've even taken time to actually go to one
of the protests so I could watch history with my own eyes and not catch a
bastardised youtube clip of it to base my world view on.

Feel empathy for me if you want I suppose.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26902428 - 08/27/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Your worldview is obviously drenched in fear mongering and a propensity for authoritarianism.




But it's not. :lol:


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902438 - 08/27/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

As long as we're getting into personal life, let me share a little with you.

Most know I'm an ex-Mormon. I grew to despise the authority of religion so much I became a huge anti-religion advocate for 10+ years.

What I see now is a new authoritarian threat emerging on the political left whether they realize it or not. It's not that I stopped hating religion, it's that I found something to hate even more.

Give it time, it will become clear who the emerging authoritarians are, and they aren't on the political right.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902451 - 08/27/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The left is such an authoritarian threat, it must be crushed with overwhelming force. Just comply with the police and it will go much easier. Trump 2040.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: koods]
    #26902457 - 08/27/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

the public is on the defense against the rioters, not the other way around.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26902477 - 08/27/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You know what’s easier than controlling the behavior of an angry mob? Controlling the behavior of the public servants whose salaries you pay. Stop police violence and the violence that occurs in response to it will stop. The police are an existential and tangible threat to the stability of our democracy. That is how bad it has gotten. The people are tired of being abused by these tyrants. When the legislative routes fail and the judicial routes fail, you get riots.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421]
    #26902540 - 08/27/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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As long as we're getting into personal life, let me share a little with you.

Most know I'm an ex-Mormon. I grew to despise the authority of religion so much I became a huge anti-religion advocate for 10+ years.

What I see now is a new authoritarian threat emerging on the political left whether they realize it or not. It's not that I stopped hating religion, it's that I found something to hate even more.

Give it time, it will become clear who the emerging authoritarians are, and they aren't on the political right.



So tired of you bringing up mormonism as if it makes you an authority.

My fiancee is an ex mormon, left when she was 18 and we deal with the backlash
of it on a constant basis.

I myself grew up in an actual cult called The Way International. Leaving and
not believing in cult tactics doesnt make you an authority figure on what constitutes authoritarianism.


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Re: Mostly peaceful protests [Re: Vahn421] * 3
    #26902632 - 08/27/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What I see now is a new authoritarian threat emerging on the political left whether they realize it or not. It's not that I stopped hating religion, it's that I found something to hate even more.

Give it time, it will become clear who the emerging authoritarians are, and they aren't on the political right.



You're telling us that eventually it will become clear that the "political left" is an emerging "authoritarian threat" - but you're so wrapped up in your cognitive bias that you can't see the already existing authoritarian threat. You should read this timely report literally released today:
Hidden in Plain Sight: Racism, White Supremacy, and Far-Right Militancy in Law Enforcement

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In 2017, the FBI reported that white supremacists posed a “persistent threat of lethal violence” that has produced more fatalities than any other category of domestic terrorists since 2000. Alarmingly, internal FBI policy documents have also warned agents assigned to domestic terrorism cases that the white supremacist and anti-government militia groups they investigate often have “active links” to law enforcement officials.

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Yet despite the FBI’s acknowledgement of the links between law enforcement and these suspected terrorist groups, the Justice Department has no national strategy designed to identify white supremacist police officers or to protect the safety and civil rights of the communities they patrol.




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Since 2000, law enforcement officials with alleged connections to white supremacist groups or far-right militant activities have been exposed in Alabama, California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and elsewhere. Research organizations have uncovered hundreds of federal, state, and local law enforcement officials participating in racist, nativist, and sexist social media activity, which demonstrates that overt bias is far too common. These officers’ racist activities are often known within their departments, but only result in disciplinary action or termination if they trigger public scandals.




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The FBI’s 2015 Counterterrorism Policy Directive and Policy Guide warns that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers.” This alarming declaration followed a 2006 intelligence assessment, based on FBI investigations and open sources, that warned of “white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement . . . by organized groups and by self-initiated infiltration by law enforcement personnel sympathetic to white supremacist causes." Active links between law enforcement officials and the subjects of any terrorism investigation should raise alarms within our national security establishment, but the federal government has not responded accordingly.




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The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have identified white supremacists as the most lethal domestic terrorist threat to the United States. In recent years, white supremacists have executed deadly rampages in Charleston, South Carolina, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and El Paso, Texas. Narrowly thwarted attempts by neo-Nazis to manufacture radiological “dirty” bombs in Maine in 2009 and Florida in 2017 show their dangerous capability and intent to unleash mass destruction. These groups also pose a lethal threat to law enforcement, as evidenced by recent attacks against Federal Protective Service officers and sheriff’s deputies in California by far-right militants intent on starting the “Boogaloo” — a euphemism for a new civil war — which killed two and injured several other.




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In 1964, civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner went missing in Mississippi during the Freedom Summer voter registration drive, shortly after being released from a Philadelphia, Mississippi, jail where they had been taken to pay a speeding fine. President Lyndon Johnson ordered FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to send FBI agents to find them. Searchers found the bodies of eight black men, including two college students who were working on the voter registration drive, before an informant’s tip finally led the agents to an earthen dam where Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner were buried. After local law enforcement refused to investigate the murders, the Justice Department charged 19 Ku Klux Klansmen with conspiring to violate Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner’s civil rights. Two current and two former law enforcement officials were among those charged. An all-white jury convicted seven of the Klansman but only one of the law enforcement officers.




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In the 1980s, the investigation of a KKK firebombing of a Black family’s home in Kentucky exposed a Jefferson County police officer as a Klan leader. In a deposition, the officer admitted that he directed a 40-member Klan subgroup called the Confederate Officers Patriot Squad (COPS), half of whom were police officers. He added that his involvement in the KKK was known to his police department and tolerated so long as he didn’t publicize it.




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In the 1990s, Lynwood, California, residents filed a class action civil rights lawsuit alleging that a gang of racist Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies known as the Lynwood Vikings perpetrated “systematic acts of shooting, killing, brutality, terrorism, house-trashing and other acts of lawlessness and wanton abuse of power."A federal judge overseeing the case labeled the Vikings “a neo-Nazi, white supremacist gang” within the sheriff’s department that engaged in racially motivated violence and intimidation against the Black and Latino communities.




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In 2019, Los Angeles County paid $7 million to settle a wrongful death lawsuit against two sheriff’s deputies for shooting an unarmed Black man after testimony revealed that they were part of a group of deputies with matching tattoos in the tradition of earlier deputy gangs. A pending lawsuit accuses the same two officers of beating an unarmed Black man while yelling racial epithets. A Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors investigation revealed that almost 60 lawsuits against alleged members of deputy gangs have cost the county about $55 million, which includes $21 million in cases over the last 10 years. These deputy gangs pose a threat to their fellow law enforcement officers as well, according to two recently filed lawsuits. In one, a deputy alleges he had been bullied by deputy gang members for five years, and finally viciously beaten by the gang’s enforcer. In another, a deputy who witnessed the attack alleged he suffered threats and retaliation from deputy gang members after reporting it to an internal affairs tip line. In 2019, the FBI reportedly initiated a civil rights investigation regarding gang activity at the sheriff’s department.




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In 2009 [Anniston, Alabama, city officials learned] of a police officer’s membership in the League of the South, a white supremacist secessionist group. The police chief, however, determined that the officer’s membership in the group did not affect his performance and allowed him to remain on the job. In the following years the officer was promoted to sergeant and eventually lieutenant. It wasn’t until 2015, after the Southern Poverty Law Center published an article about a speech he had given at a League of the South conference in which he discussed his recruiting efforts among other law enforcement officers, that the police department fired him. A second Anniston police lieutenant found to have attended the same League of the South rally was permitted to retire.




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In 2017, the police chief in Colbert, Oklahoma, resigned after local media reported his decades-long involvement with neo-Nazi skinhead groups and his ownership of neo-Nazi websites. A neighboring Oklahoma police department hired him the following year, claiming he had renounced his previous racist activities and held a clean record as a police officer.




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In 2018, the Greensboro, Maryland, police chief was charged with falsifying records to hire a police officer who had previously been forced to resign from the Dover, Delaware, police department after he kicked a Black man in the face and broke his jaw. The same officer was later involved in the death of an unarmed Black teenager, which sparked an investigation that revealed 29 use of force reports at his previous job, including some that found he used unnecessary force. The previous incidents were never reported to the Maryland police certification board.




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Sessions also killed a program operated by the DOJ Office of Community Oriented Policing Services that evaluated police department practices and offered corrective recommendations in a more collaborative way that avoided litigation. Attorney General William Barr has indicated similar disdain for law enforcement oversight, once threatening that communities that do not give support and respect to law enforcement “might find themselves without the police protection they need.”




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The police response to nationwide protests that followed the murder of George Floyd in May 2020 includes a number of officers across the country flaunting their affiliation with far-right militant groups. A veteran sheriff’s deputy monitoring a Black Lives Matter protest in Orange County, California, was photographed wearing patches with logos of the Three Percenters and the Oath Keepers — far-right militant groups that often challenge the federal government’s authority — affixed to his bulletproof vest. After an activist group publicized the photograph, the sheriff said it was “unacceptable” for the deputy to wear the patches and placed him on administrative leave pending an investigation.

A 13-year veteran of the Chicago Police Department is under investigation after photographs surfaced that showed him wearing a face covering with a Three Percenters’ logo while on duty at a protest, though a supervisor was pictured with him at the scene and apparently did not complain. The officer had reportedly been the subject of several previous misconduct lawsuits, including an excessive use of force suit following a nonfatal shooting. The city of Chicago paid $400,000 to settle those suits.

In Salem, Oregon, a police officer was recorded on video asking heavily armed white men dressed like militia to step inside a building or sit in their cars while the police arrested protesters for failing to comply with curfew orders, “so we don’t look like we’re playing favorites.” After a public outcry, the Salem police chief apologized for the appearance of favoritism, but determined the officer was only trying to gain the militants’ compliance with the curfew.

A police officer in Olympia, Washington, was placed under investigation for posing in a photograph with a heavily armed militia group called Three Percent of Washington. One of the militia members posted the photograph on social media, claiming that the officer and her partner had come over to thank them as they guarded a local shopping center.

In Philadelphia, police officers stood by and failed to intervene when mostly white mobs armed with bats, clubs, and long guns attacked journalists and protesters. The district attorney has vowed to investigate the matter. The following month, however, Philadelphia police officers openly socialized with several men wearing Proud Boys regalia and carrying a Proud Boys flag at a “Back the Blue” party at the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge.

The affinity some police officers have shown for armed far-right militia groups at protests is confounding given that many states, including California, Illinois, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and Washington, have laws barring unregulated paramilitary activities. And it is most troubling because far-right militants have often killed police officers. The overlap between militia members and the Boogaloo movement — whose adherents have been arrested for manufacturing Molotov cocktails in preparation for an attack at a Black Lives Matter protest in Nevada, inciting a riot in South Carolina, and shooting, bombing, and killing police officers in California — highlights the threat that police engagement with these groups poses to their law enforcement partners.




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The failure of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies to aggressively respond to evidence of explicit racism among police officers undermines public confidence in fair and impartial law enforcement. Worse, it signals to white supremacists and far-right militants that their illegal acts enjoy government approval and authorization, making them all the more brazen and dangerous. Winning back public trust requires transparent and equal enforcement of the law, effective oversight, and public accountability that prioritizes targeted communities’ interests.




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The most effective way for law enforcement agencies to restore public trust and prevent racism from influencing law enforcement actions is to prohibit individuals who are members of white supremacist groups or who have a history of explicitly racist conduct from becoming law enforcement officers in the first place, or from remaining officers once bias is demonstrated.




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The Justice Department has acknowledged that law enforcement involvement in white supremacist and far-right militia organizations poses an ongoing threat, but it has not produced a national strategy to address it. Not only has the department failed to prosecute police officers involved in patently racist violence, it has only recently begun collecting national data regarding use of force by law enforcement officials.








^^^^^ That's what actual evidence of organized domestic terrorism looks like - not the bullshit about Antifa™ you come in here with


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