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Stranger Registered: 11/19/19 Posts: 754 |
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Have you seen what's been happening in Portland's mostly peaceful protests as of late? For about 80 straight days, these peaceful protesters have been doing their best to advocate justice for the voiceless. Last night they took a man out of his car and beat him senseless. The video is on Andy Ngo's twitter. The swelling on his head and the way he is lying in the street while peaceful protesters rummage through his truck is graphic.
There's all kinds of videos of peaceful protesters. Some are speeches wishing officers were strangled as babies, some are of peaceful protesters in the streets blocking traffic while an officer is injured, and there's some of people walking at the wrong time in a neighborhood getting harassed and prodded with a baseball bat as they try to get on their way with no violence. People have a right to protest, but these videos are showing something else. There's a handful of police departments that are in the process of being defunded, including Portland. Why are these protests still happening? What do these people want? Here's Andy Ngo's twitter
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בּ Registered: 02/19/09 Posts: 13,428 Loc: Turtle Island Last seen: 3 seconds |
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Awesome, I was hoping you'd enter the Ngo Go Zone because now I have an excuse to post this:
THE ANDY NGO THREAD: Your Comprehensive Guide to Andy Ngo’s Bad Faith Scams and the Intractable Problem They Present Let’s start with Portland last year, and this viral tweet about a poor middle-aged man who was maced and beaten as a mob surrounded them. Andy Ngo's video begins with the man already on the ground: Here is what happened immediately before that: https://twitter.com/Respectable And here's some more info on the guy in the vest: And then the guy jumped right back into the mosh pit: Here’s some more misinformation spread by Andy Ngo – that antifascists attacked a young girl: But that’s not a young girl. That’s noted alt-right goon “Based Spartan” and his adult daughter. They didn’t get separated. They spent the whole day agitating people, spoiling for a fight. And sure, Andy Ngo corrected this one when he got called out, but there’s a small problem inherent to unreliable people like Andy: Nearly 7,500 retweets of Andy Ngo's misleading tweet about "a man & a young girl" scuffling with antifascists. Less than 150 retweets of his "correction", which he also dishonestly softens with the word "young". I guess you were one of the thousands who missed the memo. Andy Ngo next claimed an antifascist mob attacked when police weren’t around: But as reported by many people, this fight was caused when a Patriot Prayer weirdo rode his bike through protestors. The guy on the bike, Greg Isaacson, is a well-known goon. He was arrested on June 3rd with some fellow Patriot Prayer goons during another violent intimidation rally (bottom right): Andy Ngo's claim about the police not being there to break up the fight is also wrong. And this next bit is thick with irony: Not only did Andy Ngo misrepresent the right-wing bike incident, but he later spread misinformation claiming a traffic accident near the protest was caused by antifascists: But a local TV reporter on the scene said: Then the Portland Police -- who aren’t exactly antifascist friendly -- said the incident wasn’t related to the demonstration. Hours later, Andy Ngo mentioned the Portland Police statement, but doesn’t mention the incident wasn’t related to the demonstration. In fact, Andy Ngo says “a source” (read: probably a fascist terrorist on meth) told him it was antifascists: It’s non-stop bullshit stories that keep changing in order to fit what the audience wants. First it’s antifascists standing in the street. Then he misrepresents a police report and changes his story to an antifascist woman driving the scooter. This is InfoWars-level garbage. One of the things you’ll notice about Andy Ngo’s propaganda pieces is that they typically don’t include the beginning of whatever happened. They start in the middle, or more frequently, at the very end, where some fascist goon is looking pitiful. A good example is the hammer attacker who Andy Ngo misrepresented in the bus incident: Another example of this phenomenon in mainstream media is John Blum. There’s a good chance you saw this photo in national publications during the protest in which Andy Ngo was punched and milkshaked: It’s far less likely you saw any of the footage taken of Mr. Blum – a legit fascist militia goon and Three Percenter – attacking people with a police baton: And of course none of us will ever forget “concrete milkshakes.” A moronic fantasy concocted by some Proud Boy meatheads and believed by some dumb Portland cop who had never seen a coconut-based non-dairy milkshake. Fewer people know about a shocking incident back in May, when Andy Ngo accompanied his fascist thug pals on a field trip to attack the Cider Riot pub, a local leftist hangout. The gang attacked patrons, spraying mace into the patio of the bar: The owner of the bar has filed a lawsuit against Patriot Prayer members, noting that his patrons were struck with bricks being hurled into the patio: The patrons poured outside the bar to confront the attackers, and Patriot Prayer weirdo Ian Kramer was arrested after he broke a woman’s neck with a baton. While she was in the hospital, Andy Ngo published her name: There is also apparently video of Andy Ngo filming and pointing out this same woman prior to the attack. I haven’t seen the footage but multiple people have told me it was posted by this account, and there are other tweets discussing the video. About a month later, when a couple of irate protestors punched Andy Ngo for his role in the Cider Riot incident and long history of antagonizing Portland leftists and assisting fascist thugs, Andy Ngo became a cause celebre, not just among the right, but among mainstream journalists. These oblivious journalists took a look at Andy Ngo's weepy little eyes and never thought to question who he really was or whether he was representing himself in good faith. It’s also important to note Andy Ngo's unreliability extends beyond antifascism. He’s just a terrible reporter in general, poisoned by his own biases. For example, Andy Ngo often cites his byline at the Wall Street Journal. It was a piece about an East End neighborhood in London which he portrayed as utterly alien due to Muslim domination, mentioning signs reading “Alcohol Restricted Zone.” But the truth is that has nothing to do Muslims. In the UK, an “alcohol restricted zone” is a place in the UK where you can’t drink on the street, and it’s typically found where there are a lot of bars, strip clubs, etc. So not only does the “alcohol zone” have nothing to do with Muslims, but the area Andy Ngo implies is a Sharia bubble is actually a popular nightlife district. In fact, there is a bar right where Andy Ngo was standing. It’s also important to remember that Andy Ngo was terminated from the PSU Vanguard for a dangerous breach of journalistic ethics. He outrageously misquoted a Muslim student to make him appear to support jihadi violence. It was an ugly, shocking episode. Some may also remember when Andy Ngo and his fellow Quillette editors published a ridiculously “study” by a self-professed extremism researcher named Eoin Lenihan, who claimed to use Twitter analysis to determine which journalists were secret Antifa collaborators. But Lenihan had already been outed long before as a hardcore far-right troll and moderator of a racist “Groyper” group chat (google it) named ProgDad. And the “methodology” he used to connect journalists to antifa was ludicrously dumb. But this troll “study” by Lenihan resulted in Nazi terrorist group Atomwaffen publishing a “kill list” of those specific journalists. Earlier this month, Andy Ngo's dumb little rag proved again it has no fact-checking and welcomes anything that plays to its biases, when a Chapo fan got them to a publish a fake “Archie the Construction Worker” piece attacking the DSA with alleged inside info. Anyone who is actually paying attention will see that Andy Ngo has become disturbingly cozy with the most insane and hardcore fascist terrorists in America, and that he purposely engineers his work as deceptive PR for these groups. No matter how many times he is debunked, he’ll continue to tell a made up story designed to hide something truly ugly. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Yet it is a tale that mainstream media swallows again and again and again. So you end up hearing about a hardcore fascist militia committing a hammer attack from me instead of the nightly news. BONUS New footage was later released from the Cider Riot lawsuit showing Andy Ngo laughing as Patriot Prayer members plan an attack on patrons of the bar: https://t.co/G1iM9XUDi2?amp=1 The twenty-minute video was posted by Portland journalist Alex Zielinski. After several discussions about weaponry, wind direction for mace, and being outnumbered, the group calls fellow members to recruit backup. They decide to go ahead with their plan to ambush the patrons at Cider Riot and start a brawl. "Who's texting Joey?" someone asks when the group seems to be without a game plan. A little later, someone in the PP group tells a person on speakerphone: "There's going to be a huge fight" at Cider Riot. One of the allegations by the owner of Cider Riot is that his patrons were injured by bricks thrown into the patio. Well, check out these images from the video showing a woman with a brick in her hand. Andy Ngo is the guy in blue. And of course, Andy Ngo also posted misleading footage after the attack. He shows a woman aggressively approaching Patriot Prayer members in hysterics, and then a Patriot Prayer member hits her with some kind of club. But a full video shows the woman was attacked immediately prior to the start of Andy Ngo's clip. If you listen to Andy Ngo's clip, you can even hear one Patriot Prayer member frantically apologizing for the attack on her. This is the same woman who Andy had filmed and identified to his followers. She was knocked unconscious and suffered a broken neck. Andy also published her name while she was in the hospital. It becomes clear that Andy’s work is plagued by these dishonest edits. For example, in this clip, he edited out some goons stomping a man’s head, and did it with a sloppy looking jump-cut in his own clip. There are so many examples of this, where Andy leaves out provocations by Patriot Prayer members and then shows the struggle afterwards. Andy likes to present himself as if he’s “embedded,” like some glamorous combat photojournalist in the war against communism. But something extremely disturbing is going on when a “journalist” gleefully accompanies and films a gang ambush on a private business and then presents video of that event in a slanted manner. Pretty much the only reason you’re hearing about it at all is because of a lawsuit. In a world that made sense, this would be the end of Andy Ngo’s credibility and career. This is worse than InfoWars, worse than any of the dumb stunts Jacob Wohl pulled. But I have this funny feeling Andy Ngo is not going away. But who knows? Maybe the screws are tightening. This week Joey Gibson and five others were arrested on felony riot charges in connection with the attack. If you’re interested in the Cider Riot lawsuit, here is a copy of the complaint: https://www.scribd.com/document And here is the Plaintiff’s motion for discovery filed this week, which disclosed the videos of Patriot Prayer planning the attack: https://www.scribd.com/document
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Stranger Registered: 11/19/19 Posts: 754 |
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Ok, sometimes he's wrong. The footage on his page is still a glimpse into these protests. I'm not going to discredit a video of a man almost being beaten to death because Andy gets it wrong sometimes. It seems before the beating, the man was defending a trans woman because she was being robbed and assaulted. I thought BLM was a movement supporting trans people?
Is the video of the woman speaking about armoring up, getting justice by any means necessary and strangling babies skewed? You haven't answered why these protests are still happening. Police departments are being defunded. Why are these protests still happening?
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Grand Old Fart Registered: 02/17/04 Posts: 17,953 Loc: The Garden State |
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Because racist fucks think white is right.
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-------------------- "All mushrooms are edible; but some only once." Croatian proverb. BTW ... Have You Rated Ythans Mom Yet ?? ... ... HERE'S HOW ... (be nice) . ...
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I loved and lost but I loved-ftw Registered: 06/06/07 Posts: 31,372 Loc: You get banned for saying that Last seen: 1 day, 4 hours |
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Quote: In the last few months I have realised that if I want to see fights I no longer need to watch UFC reruns to get my blood lust fix. I just look up protest clips to realise that gangs are waging a non stop street war and if you want to get involved its as easy as showing up at a blue protest claiming Trump is such a great conservative or showing up at a MAGA hat rally talking about how Biden will get rid of fascism and you are in for one hell of an ass whooping. Every major University campus and major city town square these days is liable to fall towards these political protests. None of these people care for Democracy or fair speech of give a fuck about covid victims. Or HIV victims. Or Ebola victims. Or homeless VA patients. Or veterans. Or the common working person. They are living off apparently permanent unemployment and have alcohol and anger and permanent political views in their system and are out looking for trouble. If it wasn't so damn entertaining I would not be able to watch it. But its exciting turning on youtube and watching 50 people swing at each other and 50 vs 50 fights but as you said it ends up being a mostly 50 vs 1 scenario where 50 skinheads beat up a liberal or 50 Antifa whoop ass on a MAGA hat strolling by to talk about how great Trump is to build the wall. I am probably catching covid and going to hell karma wise for finding entertainment in such fucked up places but watching these wackos drop bombs on each other is just non stop ![]() But yeah from someone who actually went to highschool in Portland and have not been back there in 18 years and have heard so many great things about how much it has changed and how much they have cleaned up the heroin addicts I must say that town needs to be bombed with napalm and burned down and never rebuilt. I keep throwing off plans to visit Eugene as well and despite being almost talked into it if Portland burns down and it should they are all going to go fuck up Eugene. if you like the West Coast stick to Washington or California but just stay away from Oregon all together ![]() Shit you are better off in New York full covid then going near Oregon these days
-------------------- I did not say to edit my signature soulidarity! Now forever I will never remember what I said about understanding the secrets of the universe by paying attention to subtleties! I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk
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I loved and lost but I loved-ftw Registered: 06/06/07 Posts: 31,372 Loc: You get banned for saying that Last seen: 1 day, 4 hours |
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Quote: Dude you are getting hardcore black people showing up at Trump rallies cussing out BLM protestors. The BLM protestors are all mostly white people. This shit is fucked ass backwards. I guess brainwashing is a race opposite behavior. Trump gets in the head of the black man and Obama touches the hearts of white people everywhere ![]() But yeah historically behind all these street meetings are The White Supremacists and Black Panther Party. Its just so fucked his disconnected every single person is these days from the actual policies they represent. A black man gets on his phone and goes out and protests for Trump and a Martha Stuart looking bitch goes out to spark off a riot in the name of BLM. my head is spinning from the state of politics in the country these days
-------------------- I did not say to edit my signature soulidarity! Now forever I will never remember what I said about understanding the secrets of the universe by paying attention to subtleties! I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk
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Ribbit Registered: 05/26/11 Posts: 106,049 Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs Last seen: 24 minutes, 51 seconds |
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what trump rallies?
-------------------- “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
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Stranger Registered: 10/13/17 Posts: 14,201 Last seen: 1 hour, 19 minutes |
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Quote: Being hardcore makes you blacker, I get it. -------------------- Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result. A Dorito is pizza, change my mind. Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things I’m sorry it had to be me.
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I loved and lost but I loved-ftw Registered: 06/06/07 Posts: 31,372 Loc: You get banned for saying that Last seen: 1 day, 4 hours |
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Quote: I have nothing to do with it Quote: Those don't exist. Biden going downhill doesn't exist either. Obviously if its not real to you its not real at all Except unfortunately youtube has like a billion views total just this week for all the effort Trump is going through to totally throw Biden down the drain as hard as he can by trashing him all over the internet. Reality is a total view of something my man. Not just what you acknowledge exists or not. This is the problem in the pub and in general in the world. If enough liberals all agree the sky isn't blue then it never was because facts. I hope Biden gets his shit together or those non existent mass gathering of Trump supporters will vote his ass the fuck out. There goes Biden-care or whatever he better get his story straight. Trump is the next Grand Wizard but he sure is consistent and voters love consistency. Him winning is far from my best hope but watch out!Keep your goals in your heart and hope Trump isn't the best option because a lot of people are saying he is. -------------------- I did not say to edit my signature soulidarity! Now forever I will never remember what I said about understanding the secrets of the universe by paying attention to subtleties! I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk
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Awakening Moonlighter Registered: 04/03/12 Posts: 2,162 Loc: Portland Last seen: 3 years, 4 months |
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Quote: I've noted that with you, you always accuse your opposition of the worst intentions possible and give your own side the benefit of the doubt. You've done it with Tim Pool, Project Veritas, and now Andy Ngo. (Your criticism of PV I can halfway get behind, but this is kinda ridiculous.) Protesters destroy a car? Let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they were acting in good faith. A man reports on something and then corrects himself later? He's an evil scumbag that has a right-wing agenda. (And hey, we all do it to an extent, but I think what is obvious to me and what seems to be obvious to you is the opposite.)Andy Ngo is an honest and sincere man who simply makes mistakes sometimes, and he is absolutely correct in stating that the media only shows one side of the story... we need counter voices. As for the O.P., all I gotta say is that Oregon may actually turn red this year. ![]() --------------------
Edited by Vahn421 (08/17/20 09:51 PM)
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I loved and lost but I loved-ftw Registered: 06/06/07 Posts: 31,372 Loc: You get banned for saying that Last seen: 1 day, 4 hours |
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I think enough things have turned red this year. Metaphorically and physically
-------------------- I did not say to edit my signature soulidarity! Now forever I will never remember what I said about understanding the secrets of the universe by paying attention to subtleties! I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk
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בּ Registered: 02/19/09 Posts: 13,428 Loc: Turtle Island Last seen: 3 seconds |
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Quote: I've backed up every accusation I've made. Stop using fascist disinformation as sources, if you don't like the criticism. Andy Ngo doesn't "simply make mistakes", he intentionally misrepresents things to push a specific narrative. It's no coincidence that every time he "makes a mistake", the disinformation he publishes meshes perfectly with the far-right narrative. I've noted with you, you always respond to the arguments with evidence that I provide with some baseless appeal to emotion - like this: "Andy Ngo is an honest and sincere man who simply makes mistakes sometimes". Compare the amount of evidence I supplied along with my claim regarding Andy Ngo, to the absolute lack of any evidence you provided in support of your claim, and then ask yourself who is truly being ruled by their personal bias.
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Club 27 Registered: 12/18/12 Posts: 12,340 Loc: attending Snake Church Last seen: 6 hours, 28 minutes |
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Quote: Emphasis on fascist information sources, and baseless appeal. -------------------- "The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body" John Lennon I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either. The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,
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Stranger Registered: 10/13/17 Posts: 14,201 Last seen: 1 hour, 19 minutes |
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Ngo's entire reputation is built on getting hit in the face with a milkshake.
Personally, I wouldn't hire anybody based on that credential, but that's good enough for many. -------------------- Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result. A Dorito is pizza, change my mind. Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things I’m sorry it had to be me.
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Awakening Moonlighter Registered: 04/03/12 Posts: 2,162 Loc: Portland Last seen: 3 years, 4 months |
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Quote: This is untrue. I dug WAY down the PV rabbit hole when you posted what you did about it. I find most of what you said here about Gno to be weak in comparison to that. --------------------
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Awakening Moonlighter Registered: 04/03/12 Posts: 2,162 Loc: Portland Last seen: 3 years, 4 months |
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Quote: "Outrageously misquoted?" From the article in the link you provided on this one, it states: "There was no attempt to clarify directly with the speaker the intent of his words in the video, which were explanatory and in response to a question." And yet... (Edit: Muslims actually do want infidels to either submit or be killed eventually.)
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בּ Registered: 02/19/09 Posts: 13,428 Loc: Turtle Island Last seen: 3 seconds |
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Quote: It's painfully true. If you find my criticism of Andy Ngo to be weak, provide your own counter-argument. So far I've provided copious amounts of evidence and reasoning to support my claim - you've provided nothing. Scratch that - one thing: Quote: He recorded the video, but coincidentally cut it to begin mid sentence. Why didn't Andy Ngo provide the full video, including where the student further clarified their views, then? Why should we just believe him because he said it? Note the date of the tweet is April 17th - the day after the conference. More details later emerged that were significant enough for his position to be terminated for breach of ethics. It clearly stated as much in the paragraphs immediately preceding the one you chose to quote: Quote: In a video of the event, the panelist says: "I can confidently tell you, when the Quran says an innocent life, it means an innocent life, regardless of the faith, the race, like, whatever you can think about as a characteristic. […] This that you're referring to, killing non-Muslims, that is only considered a crime when the country's law, the country is based on Quranic law—that means there is no other law than the Quran. In that case, you're given the liberty to leave the country, I'm not going to sugarcoat it." Ngo tweeted: "At @Portland_State interfaith panel today, the Muslim student speaker said that apostates will be killed or banished in an Islamic state." Swing and a miss Vahn421
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Awakening Moonlighter Registered: 04/03/12 Posts: 2,162 Loc: Portland Last seen: 3 years, 4 months |
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Quote: But this is actually true. In fact, it's actually generous. Ngo is slightly incorrect with his wording as NON-believers would have the option to be banished, but *apostates* would likely simply be killed. I'm genuinely confused how this was taken out of context... what exactly needed clarifying? I'm reading this over and over again. What was said that is untrue, exactly? I just picked one random example from your many to see what I'd find. I may get to the rest if I find this interesting enough. --------------------
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Awakening Moonlighter Registered: 04/03/12 Posts: 2,162 Loc: Portland Last seen: 3 years, 4 months |
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Ok... Shiva's post makes a WHOLE lot more sense now. It's a copy-paste from this site. (or one similar.) I thought he had written all that up himself for a moment.
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Stranger Registered: 11/19/19 Posts: 754 |
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Me too. Stole someone's work and gave no credit.
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if you like the West Coast stick to Washington or California but just stay away from Oregon all together 
I did not say to edit my signature soulidarity! Now forever I will never remember what I said about understanding the secrets of the universe by paying attention to subtleties!
I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk

