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Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics)
#26884556 - 08/17/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I made this Wine cap (stropharia rugosoannulata) bed from straw, that i picked right on the field and added a little bit of wood chips. Was not sure if it would work, but i did. It was knocked up 11 days ago, and it seems 95% colonized (the corners tend to dry out). The book im referring to said, that it should take 4-6 weeks for it to colonize... i honestly dont know why it colonized this fast.
Problem is, that now i suppose i have to case this? I wasnt expecting it to colonize this fast, so i didnt prepare the casing yet. The book says to use 1:1 peat and garden soil. I dont have peat on hand, and wont be able to get it anytime soon.
All i have on hand is some clay-ish soil straight from my garden, compost (its about 75% done) and coir. I suppose i could also get some fallen leaves. Could i somehow make a casing out of this?
Another thing - The bed is covered with several layers of cardboard. Its already starting to eat through it. Should i leave it in place, and put the casing layer on it? Or should i apply the casing and then cover that with the cardboard?

Thanks, i dont really know what im doing
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Ombisha]
#26886403 - 08/18/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bump.
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Ombisha]
#26887027 - 08/18/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have little experience with stropharia, or beds at all, so take my advice with a grain of salt... hopefully others can offer advice.
But I'd say using whatever you can to imitate outdoor soil would be fine. If you could go get some of the dirt from the field you picked it on, well it fruited there, so... should work. Or a little of all the stuff you mentioned till you get the right consistency. It's mainly the outdoor contaminants you want here to get it to fruit.
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Forrester]
#26888207 - 08/19/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did not explain myself correctly. What i took from the field was only the straw. It was right after they harvested wheat, and bits of the stems (and some bran) were still laying about. I actually stole it in the middle of the night, like a criminal... I then made the bed and knocked it up with spawn, that i bought online along with other spawns, that i wanted to get onto agar.
Alright, i will probably take your advice, i will just mix up some ungodly concoction for a casing. One think that im concerned about is it being too muddy. As i said, the soil from my garden is very clay-ish and turns to straight up mud when wet.
Thats probably a bad thing right?
Also, what do you mean that i want the outdoor contaminants? Does their presence force the mycelium to fruit or something?
Edited by Ombisha (08/19/20 11:14 AM)
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Ombisha]
#26888767 - 08/19/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah ok, you got the straw from the field not the mushroom, gotcha!
I agree with your concern about it being too muddy. You definitely want it to be more airy, that's why they call for peat. Gotta be something else you can use... maybe go with the compost?
And yes, I believe it's something in the microbes in the soil that triggers it to fruit, that's why indoor grows usually fail unless you take an unpasteurized soil from outdoors to use as casing. Keyword: UN-pasteurized. Getting rid of the microbes makes it not work.
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Forrester]
#26889240 - 08/19/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can put leaves on it only, compost only or a combination og them and any of the other stuff you mentioned. Wine caps aren't picky and will fruit without a casing layer if it's humid enough. If you put the compost on it wiil take some additional time as it collonizes the compost before it fruits. Probably going to need a little soil like stuff on it as straw is so open it won't allow pins to get going without drying out.
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: falcon] 1
#26889945 - 08/20/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice guys. Im just going to eyeball it with compost/soil/leaves/maybe some coir and hope for the best. Wish me luck.
Another thing i wanted to ask about is the card board - Should i leave it in place and put the casing on top of it, or should i put the casing on the straw, then cover it with cardboard? Since its already starting to eat through it, i would lean towards covering it with the casing, but what do you think?
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Forrester said: Getting rid of the microbes makes it not work.
Oh yeah, the book mentions that. It says that nobody really knows why thats the case. Quite interesting. But it must be true, because i didnt even do anything with the straw/bran/bits of grain/wood chips, and it ate through it just fine, no molds or anything.
I at first didnt know what you are talking about, because i thought that you mean outdoor cultivation in general, not specifically Wine cap.
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falcon said: If you put the compost on it will take some additional time as it colonizes the compost before it fruits
But if i was to only use compost, wouldn't it be a problem, since the mushroom would want to eat it and therefore it would colonize the casing completely instead of partially?
I was under the impression that the casing should only be partially colonized, so that the mycelium can easily absorb moisture from the uncolonized part.
Once again, thanks for the advice guys.
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Ombisha] 1
#26890114 - 08/20/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd probably just leave the cardboard in
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Forrester]
#26891146 - 08/21/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, I didnt read the whole thread but Ive done a wine cap bed 3 years ago and its still popping mushrooms.
What I used is
soaked straw soaked woodchips soaked cardboard
Dug about 5 inches deep
One layer cardboard one layer sawdust spawn, one layer straw and woodchips one layer spawn.
Well you know lasagna style. On the top, ive put commercial compost 0.5 inch and grass seed.
And Ive kept it really moist for 2 weeks.
A mix from Stamets,Radical mycology and Cotters books.
Patch been made mid may and I was harvesting in august.
It produce a LOT be ready mate.
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Martinsapin]
#26891671 - 08/21/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Martinsapin said: on the top, ive put commercial compost 0.5 inch and grass seed
Grass seed? So you wanted for grass to grow on the bed? Why? Does it create a better microclima?
3 years, wow. Did you feed the bed in any point, or is it still going from the stuff you originally put in it?
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Re: Stropharia straw bed - Casing questions (pics) [Re: Ombisha] 1
#26891787 - 08/21/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes for microclimate, so the morning dew stays. I only got a couple pounds this year tho and no I havent fed it.
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