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San pedro in hardware stores.
    #26884133 - 08/17/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have read that people find San Pedro in hardware stores.

I would like to try to find it, if I go to some hardware stores and see some tall stalky cacti, how can I be certain it is San Pedro?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26884138 - 08/17/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

They will usually look like this; print it out and take it with you. :smile:



Three of these are PC, excluding the last picture. The middle front is non-PC of some type, and the far right one ended up being a legit non-PC Pachanoi, at least in my opinion.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26887474 - 08/18/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Research what they look like prior to going, there's plenty of info here and online to do that. Or you can compare to pictures online while there or take pictures of cactus you see in the stores and post them here for identification.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: karode13]
    #26889392 - 08/20/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Would Appear Mitre 10 nz has deliberately stopped including trichs in their cacti range:(


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Dark lotus] * 1
    #26895621 - 08/23/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



Is this it?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26895623 - 08/23/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Or this



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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26895628 - 08/23/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



Or this?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26895632 - 08/23/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That last one says it is haageocerus which isn't san pedo but it looks like san Pedro so idk


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26895927 - 08/23/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Is this it?




Thats a Trichocereus.  I'm not sure exactly which species it is.  It might be a hybrid or some kind of Peruvianoid.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26895928 - 08/23/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Or this?




This one also looks like Trichocereus peruvianus or some hybrid.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26895931 - 08/23/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Or this?




This one also looks like Trichocereus peruvianus or some hybrid.




IT was labeled as haageocerus for some reason but it looks like san pedro


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26895939 - 08/23/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Both of them look like Trichocereus. (Not the moon cactus / big red Gymnocalaycium)

I would buy both.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26895940 - 08/23/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It is a type of San Pedro.  Its not Haageocereus.  Its probably T. peruvianus or a hybrid.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26895957 - 08/23/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Do the spikes look kinda large? The pictures of san pedro online always appear to have smaller spikes?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26895965 - 08/23/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"San Pedro" is Trichocereus (generic predominate cultivar), like the pictures I originally posted. Other good Trichocereus (San Pedros) are Peruvian, Bridgesii, Scop, Macrogonus, Pachanoi etc, and have larger spines. The exception being Scop which has tiny spines and recessed areols, unless its crossed with something else.

There are all kinds of Trichocereus that are "San Pedro", without being a Pachanoi variety.

Trichocereus Bridgesii
Trichocereus Peruvianus
Trichocereus Scopulicola
Trichocereus Pachanoi (commonly called San Pedro)
Trichocereus Macrogonus
Etc, etc, are all good to have, they all look different with more or less spination, areols, different hues, etc. Genetics are all over the place and you can't expect to match every random hybrid to a picture on the internet. :smile:


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26895981 - 08/23/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trichocereus Macrogonus

Looks a lot like mine.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26895983 - 08/23/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so next thing is, what kind of soil do I get and what do I mix it with, they sold some kind of rocks there do I mix rocks, sand and some organic compost soil together?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26896001 - 08/23/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm currently using: Two parts Cococoir : Two parts top soil : one part vermiculite. I would add in gravel but I'm all out. I also add common soil amendments to my dirt like greensand, softrock phosphate, gypsum, diatomaceous earth, and a bit of iron. Sometimes I use coir bricks that are expended with kelp, fish, or other diluted fertilizer.

Some people use pumice or lavarock but I can't source that economically.

Make sure you remove all of the peat moss from the roots, trim the roots up, dust with sulfur, and let them heal before potting into a better mix. (NO PEAT MOSS!)


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26896025 - 08/23/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

They just re paved my road and sided the entire road with gravel, could I use that kind of gravel? Street grade gravel?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26896032 - 08/23/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Blacktop or just gravel road work? If its just gravel, I would test the salt in it, if its blacktop, stay away, arsenic, tar, etc.

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Actually, no, don't use anything from the road. Its dubious as to where any of it is sourced from. Even roadway salt is usually free from the oil industry because it's often radioactive and a cheap way to dispose of it to cities and towns that either don't think to test the stuff or don't care. (Radium-226 and radium-228) Not something I would want around my plants.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26896051 - 08/23/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, what about shiny smooth decorative rocks sold at hardware stores?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26896064 - 08/23/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just buy a 40lb bag of pea gravel from your local garden center / wal-mart / home depot / etc.

Polished stones are no good and should also be sparingly used as decor on the top. Top dressing should be very thin.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26896106 - 08/23/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Agree with the ID's given above. There's 2 Trichocereus there.

As for soil, you want a free draining soil mix. These plants naturally grow in rich soils in cloud forests. Not deserts.

Add anything that is porous to the soil like, scoria, akadama, pumice, etc. Perlite can be used but it will float to the top of the soil after a while.

Re pot the plants into pots 2-4 times the size they're in now.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: karode13]
    #26896390 - 08/24/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Budman , that big yellow flower on that cacti is crazy hallucinogenic , whatever you do , don't eat the whole thing in one sitting.

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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Urb]
    #26897405 - 08/24/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I could find any vermiculite so I did them pee rocks and some eco earth coir and some miracle crow organic version potting soil. That organic miracle grow stuff is actually decent stuff unlike any other miracle grow i have ever used.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26897406 - 08/24/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26897684 - 08/24/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don't water them again for at least a month or two. Flushing them like that right after re-potting is rolling the rot dice. Find some vermiculite, I use it mainly because it helps keep dirt from compacting and lets it flow easier.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26897830 - 08/24/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Should I leave them outside or bring them inside?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26897859 - 08/24/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I would leave them outside in a location where they get good sunlight but aren't being scorched. Bring them inside when temperatures drop below 45. Most of my plants are inside my greenhouse already, been moving them in a little at a time so I don't have the fall rush.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Urb] * 1
    #26897950 - 08/24/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Don't use vermiculite. It compacts after a while and is also an unnecessary additive.

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Budman , that big yellow flower on that cacti is crazy hallucinogenic , whatever you do , don't eat the whole thing in one sitting.

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This isn't OTD.

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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: karode13]
    #26898090 - 08/25/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Have you got a fireplace or BBQ .. you could use some of the charcoal to help pad out your mixture.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Honeheke]
    #26898316 - 08/25/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Someone told me when buying cactus I need to watch out for neoraimondia neocardenasia herzogiana, which when I google it, they look awfully similar to san pedro and my cactus when small, is there a chance I accidentally bought that kind by mistake?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26898903 - 08/25/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Neoraimondia Neocardenasia Herzogiana" has more reddish spines, denser spination, larger areols, as well as areols that are angled upward. While it could be confused for Trichocereus Peruvianus by the uninitiated, there are enough differences to tell them apart in all but extreme cases.

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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26899050 - 08/25/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sweet, so stoked if they survive my armature soil mixture. I hope to expand this into many cacti.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26899057 - 08/25/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Here are some more pics. They each have different color spines. Ones darker and ones very light



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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26899681 - 08/25/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I am actually pretty sure this Cactus is Peruvian Torch at this point.

What do you all think about that?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26913051 - 09/02/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There's also some speculation that PC pachanoi may be actually a different species entirely.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26913777 - 09/02/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like it is


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Shonman]
    #26917510 - 09/04/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So once I bring it inside for the winter will it keep growing?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26918515 - 09/05/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it can do that if brought inside where its warm but not adequate sunlight.  San pedro mastery talks about it in this video


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Shroomboofer]
    #26918893 - 09/05/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Will some light from the window be enough to keep it growing a little bit over the winter?

I live in the PNW.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26920301 - 09/05/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So I saw a post on facebook, someone found a peyote cactus in a home depot, how do I get a peyote harvesting some buttons and tripping sounds like a lot less effort.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26943940 - 09/19/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

At 2 weeks I watered my cactus since it seemed really dry and had been dry a week.

Now its been maybe 10 days since then or some shit and it just rained a fuck ton on my cactus, I hope that doesn't cause rot. I am trying to keep my waterings very spread out.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #26943964 - 09/19/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Peyote will takes forever to grow unless you graft it. San Pedro is much more practical not to mention legal.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: Debacle]
    #27239387 - 03/05/21 07:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Ok almost time to put my cacti outside again, what nutrients should I buy for feeding?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: DancingWolf]
    #27239497 - 03/05/21 08:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Blacktop or just gravel road work? If its just gravel, I would test the salt in it, if its blacktop, stay away, arsenic, tar, etc.

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Actually, no, don't use anything from the road. Its dubious as to where any of it is sourced from. Even roadway salt is usually free from the oil industry because it's often radioactive and a cheap way to dispose of it to cities and towns that either don't think to test the stuff or don't care. (Radium-226 and radium-228) Not something I would want around my plants.




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    #27240184 - 03/06/21 09:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Blacktop or just gravel road work? If its just gravel, I would test the salt in it, if its blacktop, stay away, arsenic, tar, etc.

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Actually, no, don't use anything from the road. Its dubious as to where any of it is sourced from. Even roadway salt is usually free from the oil industry because it's often radioactive and a cheap way to dispose of it to cities and towns that either don't think to test the stuff or don't care. (Radium-226 and radium-228) Not something I would want around my plants.




do you have a link?





For black top containing tar and arsenic? Not one that compiles everything together. Check the different types of asphalts and tars used, then check the ingredients in each one; anything using creosote will have arsenic in it and the others have Aluminum Oxide. (Aluminum is neurotoxic), although I'm unsure if cactus absorb it.

It ultimately depends on the type of blacktop used, most places use bitumen but some places still use coal and wood tar. Wood tar is full of creosote which also contains arsenic. I may not have read the post well enough since last seeing this thread but if it's piled up then it's probably asphalt and bitumen. Asphalt also contains alumina (Aluminum Oxide) and Aluminum isn't something I have much love for beyond using it on sweet potatoes.


I'm guessing you want a link for road salt and it's radioactivity, here is the Rollingstone article I read last year. It is a pretty biased article but informing if you can see passed that. While the road salt alone probably isn't going to cause health problems to most people, the cumulative load from all the "little poisons" around us does add up. The water collects a lot of naturally occurring radioactive particles and those don't disappear with evaporation. Simply put, I wouldn't collect material from the road side, old or new. It will probably be coming with something unexpected and I wouldn't want it on my own plants.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/oil-gas-fracking-radioactive-investigation-937389/


On a similar note, Bananas are also lightly radioactive and you can extract the potassium from them + the peal if you get a dozen hands or so together.


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    #27240220 - 03/06/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Nutrient recommendations anyone?


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #27240248 - 03/06/21 10:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I ordered a gallon of organic fish + kelp extract for my plants but that is because kelp alone was only in-stock at a five gallon bucket. Drammatic ONE, aka Dram-one, there are plenty of good liquid fertilizer / nutrient brands. Some people use compost, hydroponic / foliage sprays; nodding toward a balanced or low nitrogen fertilizer. Cactus don't really NEED fertilizer, just change their dirt every few years or add some compost on top. Some of my plants have powered cow manure on top in small amounts.

Some of my larger Pedros in 10 and 20 gallon buckets get a flush of kelp or fish emulsion mixed up in a five gallon bucket and they get a nice growth spurt, but that is probably why one fell over... grew too fast and thick but didn't have a hard wood core or roots to support it.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #27245884 - 03/09/21 11:44 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

There's a cactus food premixed and will last for years. It's added by drops per gallon, look for it at a home depot type place.


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    #27245918 - 03/10/21 12:18 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

San pedro are really easy..any plant food will work as long as it's got NPK in it.. yeah a cactus food is just fine.. maybe better.. I had a buddy who had one in his front yard for years and it was like 6 ft tall..


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    #27418095 - 08/07/21 11:21 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

So here are my cactus now.

one seems to be curving, are these doing alright? Seem like they are kinda slow at growing.







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    #27418898 - 08/07/21 09:44 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

The curving can be normal. The tend to lean back away from Sun sometimes.

They do look dehydrated but ok otherwise. The ribs are all sucked in and not plump and full. Could be the reason for their slow growth.

If your soil is hydrophobic(repels water), then it's wise to use a wetting agent when you water. This will break the water's surface tension and allow it to penetrate the soil.


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    #27418924 - 08/07/21 10:07 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

My soil is mostly coco coir and pea gravel and a little bit of potting soil.

I was lacking on watering them several weeks ago but now I have been watering weekly,

It hasn't rained much till today and yesterday so they're getting some natural rain water now.

I also recently fed them so hopefully that has some benefits.


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Re: San pedro in hardware stores. [Re: budmanman]
    #27433814 - 08/19/21 12:14 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Prob fake tbh


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    #27435259 - 08/19/21 09:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Fake in what way?

They're a few inches taller, after feeding them I did notice a substantial increase in diameter of the top portion of the cactus.


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