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Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences
    #26879004 - 08/13/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)
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Have you had a meaningful psychedelic experience?

We are a group of researchers at the University of Wollongong in Australia conducting research into meaningful psychedelic experiences. We are recruiting participants that have taken psychedelics and as a result have had a transformative/meaningful experience. If this is you, we would appreciate your participation in our survey, which will take approximately 30-40 minutes. More information is provided at the following link, where you can participate if you choose.

https://uow.au1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3Wzh955gi2BzODP

Thank you for considering to participate – I really appreciate it!! :mushroom2:


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: kmn594] * 2
    #26881918 - 08/15/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I participated in your survey but,considering the nature of your questions, came to the conclusion that you are totally wrong in what you seem to believe about mushrooms.

Why is that so? First, I felt like a patient with mental problems being interrogated by a doctor to find the reason for my problems. I suspect you are one of these guys who wants to cure depressions, anxiety, fear of death by terminal cancer patients etc. with psilocybin. Even though some studies seem to indicate that a certain percentage of their participants lost their depressions or fear of death, I consider this merely a by-product of the experience and not the real nature of mushrooms. Magic mushrooms aren't anti-depressants.

Furthermore I see some inconsistencies in the idea of using magic mushrooms as a tool to cure mental problems. An example: I read that some terminal cancer patients had a spritual experience which made them lose their fear of death. Experiencing the oneness with everything and so on. As a scientist you probably cannot accept that these spiritual experiences are really true. Otherwise you couldn't be in charge, if something higher than you exists. So you must believe that the drug produces hallucinations that trick the patients into believing that there isn't anything to be afraid of. Like doctors don't tell mentally retarded patients that they are retarded but that they are something special, so that they can be in peace with what they are.

I'm using shrooms for over 20 years and truly believe, without a doubt, that they are magical. Meaning they arent't just some kind of a drug that you can administer to a large enough group of participants, ask everybody about their experiences and assume the drug will have the same effect on the rest of the population. Like you would do with a drug against high blood pressure for instance.

Magic isn't democratic, where the majority is considered to be right. It's about the old ways/arts. There's an intelligence with a certain intend behind these experiences. And this intelligence doesn't show everything to everybody. If it thinks you are an asshole (excuse my rudeness but this is often the best way to make something clear)they will not tell you anything. Deep insights aren't just a question of dosage, they are granted. One must work his way up to get them. That's why lots of users don't believe of them as really magical. They talk about heroic doses, which shrooms give them crazy visuals, use them with a myriad of other drugs and so on. These kind of people usually don't get anything meaningful and how many of them you may interview about their experiences, you only get a lot of BS.

About deprssions: Are all depresions the same? And can be cured with the same drug? There are may theories about the cause of depressions. An imbalance in the brain chemicals,inflammation in the brain and so on. What if those claiming to be cured from their depressions weren't actually really ill but only got into a loop of negative thoughts caused by negative experiences in their lifes. Shrooms opened a door to something new, added new information to their neural network, made them think about new things that destroyed the loop and they no longer felt depressed. Curing their depressions would then only be a by-product of their experiences. Magic mushrooms aren't anti-depressants and if you try to use them to help patients you have no idea whose help you're asking. An intelligence that is, in most eyes, highly controversial and politically incorrect.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: szubsa] * 2
    #26882378 - 08/15/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Magic isn't democratic, where the majority is considered to be right. It's about the old ways/arts. There's an intelligence with a certain intend behind these experiences. And this intelligence doesn't show everything to everybody. If it thinks you are an asshole (excuse my rudeness but this is often the best way to make something clear)they will not tell you anything. Deep insights aren't just a question of dosage, they are granted. One must work his way up to get them. That's why lots of users don't believe of them as really magical. They talk about heroic doses, which shrooms give them crazy visuals, use them with a myriad of other drugs and so on. These kind of people usually don't get anything meaningful and how many of them you may interview about their experiences, you only get a lot of BS.





Made an acct just to say I completely agree.🔥
So glad there are people who know these things, and tell the truth to people who *think* they know.❌


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: kmn594]
    #26883767 - 08/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey there. I’m all about research in psychedelics, hope you can help remove the stigma. I’d recommend moving this to a different forum, though. I think this is better suited for the “Experiences” forum. Cheers.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Shroomple]
    #26884011 - 08/16/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I took the survey, I didn't find it troubling in regards to magic.  I mean, how many people are there that actually practice this kind of thing anyway?  It's so not on researcher's radar it's almost scary.

In all my life the number of people I've ever met that do magic with shrooms, including myself, is only a handful.  I think it's exceedingly uncommon.

Anyway, though it was long-assed it wasn't too bad overall and it might be useful somewhere somehow.  Pity it's only 100AU$ gift card though... :cookiemonster:


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26884170 - 08/17/20 01:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't do magic either. I guess doing magic would involve much more than just using mushrooms.

What I mean is that mushrooms are magical. According to research Psilocybin turns down our default neural network connections and establish new connections. This new connections offer, at least in my experience, information/knowledge that our sober egos cannot perceive. I think this is something that can be called "magical". Besides using psychedelics there are other ways to receive this information. Like using techniques to get into a trance (often used by African tribes) or ego dissolving meditation techniques known from Asia.

Science is something of the rational mind. Something of our sober intelligence. It's not seen as magic, even though scientist try to achieve the same things magicians of the past tried to achieve. Getting control over the natural world, extend the duration of our lifes and so on.

Science abolished the idea of God or any other powers higher than human intelligence. So the "intelligence" ego dissolving mushrooms bring us into contact with cannot be true but must be hallucinations. Or scientist cannot be in charge of what they are doing but would only be some kind of puppets on a string. I, on the other hand, believe this intelligence does really exist and isn't just some drug induced hallucination.

After all, nearly any scientist believes we are free in the ultimate meaning of "free". That we not only can do what we want, but also can decide what we want. That if I want vanilla ice cream I can decide to want chocolade ice cream instead for instance. But they think of the things that make us want what we want as something dead and unpersonal. Not as a real player in this world. I don't agree.

When it comes to trying to cure mental patients with psilocybin this Intelligence would add something to the healing proces doctors would not be in control of. And not everybody might be able to handle it.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: szubsa]
    #26884547 - 08/17/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Saying that mushrooms are magical isn't exactly what I was talking about, sorry I misunderstood your post. 

IME mushrooms facilitate/engender states of consciousness that can be extremely useful for all kinds of work. :yinyang2:

Researchers all seem to be focused on what they can extract from psilocybin experiences that result in alterations of social conditioning (ooh, dangerous territory) or processing of autobiographical material otherwise inaccessible (very useful with applications in therapy) or reduction of maladaptive mental fixation (anxiety, PTSD, etc.). 

While this is good they miss the bigger picture and the bigger universe out there.  But I suppose that's inevitable, at least so far. :shrug:

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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26886225 - 08/18/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A little bit off-topic, but I just found this on DMT Nexus:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

With some mushroom varieties/species I think I also identified some kind of Gateway proces. When it starts I "hear" some kind of melody that repeats over and over. Like chanting the same phrase(s)over and over until one gets into an altered state of mind. However, I don't have this will all Cubes or other species.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: szubsa]
    #26887611 - 08/19/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hi Hi,

Im all for the research as I believe this is the only way we can turn the negative, class A stigma of Psilocybin around and make it available to all people whom choose to reap its rewards.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: szubsa]
    #26887615 - 08/19/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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szubsa said:
A little bit off-topic, but I just found this on DMT Nexus:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

With some mushroom varieties/species I think I also identified some kind of Gateway proces. When it starts I "hear" some kind of melody that repeats over and over. Like chanting the same phrase(s)over and over until one gets into an altered state of mind. However, I don't have this will all Cubes or other species.




Woow this document is amazing reading .. Do you think it is legitimate ?


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Honeheke]
    #26887799 - 08/19/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As far as I know it is. After all it's a government website.

Of course one can have doubts about the validity of their theory but at least they didn't dismiss these things as complete nonsense like lots of people automatically and instictively dismiss the idea of psychedlics being more than just some kind of shit we use to get high.


Edited by szubsa (08/19/20 11:17 AM)


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: Honeheke]
    #26888695 - 08/19/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This is a very interesting read and I'm only a few pages in. Thanks for the link I think I'm going to look into some of this meditation techniques for my own issues with pain and not being able to relax very well.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: captainkirk1993]
    #26889413 - 08/20/20 03:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This brings us back to my first reply about doctors trying to use psilocybin to cure mental disorders. Personally I don't have any experience with meditation techniques. I only know that, besides psychedelics, there are also other ways to tap into the fountains of hidden knowledge. Transcendental meditation being one of them.

I explain my point with magic mushrooms as an example. Traditional shamans/healers believe diseases are caused by a disturbance between one's own spirit and the spirit world. In order to get any benefits from spiritual/mystical insights from using shrooms one has to integrate these insights into one's personal life. Meaning one has to obey the mushroom spirits, thereby becoming a mushroom worshipper. If you don't obey your teacher, if you don't submit to him, you cannot learn anything from him.

This may not be a problem for someone trying to self-medicate with mushrooms, but I don't believe doctors intend to cure their patients by transforming them into mushroom worshippers. Since the spiritual experiences/insights seem to be essential for the healing proces there doesn't seem to be a way around this.

It's not like with using Aspirin against a headache. Aspirin doesn't produce spiritual experiences and you don't have to become an "Aspirinist" in order to get rid of your headache.

Traditional shamans/healers do not just administer shrooms to their patients, they also believe in these spirits and it is their religion. It's not just something they believe, like some scientists believe that the universe consists for a large part of dark matter while others do not. It's not just something they believe, it's what they are. Like Christianity isn't just something that Christians believe, it's what they are.

The same goes up with meditations. These techniques originate from religious beliefs, not from doctors/scientists. And in order to benefit from them, you have to live by their insights and thereby automatically become a Boeddhist (or something else depending from what belief these meditation techniques originate) Again, becoming a Boeddhist my not be a problem for you, but I'm sure that's not what a doctor, prescribing transcendental meditations to his patients, would have in mind or seems to realize.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: szubsa]
    #26890039 - 08/20/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You don't have to worship the mushroom to benefit from its healing potential.  You merely have to engage in a partnership with it, and SFAIK that doesn't even involve selling your soul.  :shrug:

Some of the effects, like lifting depression (or for me resetting BP 2 to the top of the cycle) are almost automatic.

Others, like resolving autobiographical issues, come from enhance recall of buried memories, also almost automatic.

Even others, like altering your social conditioning barriers, result from the enhanced perspective it gives you - the ability to see yourself and your hangups from a distance, and thus become able to break them.

But of course this is only my opinion based on decades of experience with mushrooms over a huge number of trips, and a lot of work in the spirit realm as well...


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26891036 - 08/21/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the term "worshipping". This is quite a strong term.

Mushrooms change your view of the world. No matter if this happens automatically or fron an enhanced perspective or recall of buried memories. Once your opinions have changed you will defend them when discussing these matters with others. You "fight" for them, thereby serving them. You serve a new master and this new master is not the doctor treating you.

The mental effects, the closed eye visuals/visions, of psilocybin seem to be essential for the treatment. That's why the study participants wear blindfolds, to avoid getting distracted by visual impressions. A picture of a blindfolded participant from John Hopkins:

https://hopkinspsychedelic.org/

The experience teaches something the doctor cannot teach and has no influence on.

Like you, I also used shroms for many years and had hundreds of trips. Each trip is like a small piece of a puzzle and once you put those pieces together you start seeing a larger picture. This larger picture could become some kind of a religion/belief system and could lead to worshipping the mushroom. Worshipping the mushroom to keep on your path, to block opposite thoughts and thereby preventing wondering off in other directions. Worshipping the mushroom as your guide in this world.

Like peyote eaters may worship the peyote cactus or Boeddhists worshipping (I don't know if this is the proper term for Boeddhists) the content of their meditation visions that turned them into Boeddhists and serve them as a guide/touchstone through their lifes.

Humans are animals that get captured by ideas and, once they believe in these ideas, these ideas get an administrative function in their heads and the individual believing in them has no choice but to obey them. Ideas come through the gateways, as described in the CIA-document (through people knowing how to open them), gateway drugs (psychedelics) or are just products of human intelligence driven by animalistic desires. Everybody believes something, serves something and, in one way or another, worships something.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: kmn594]
    #26891220 - 08/21/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you had a meaningful psychedelic experience?

We are a group of researchers at the University of Wollongong in Australia conducting research into meaningful psychedelic experiences. We are recruiting participants that have taken psychedelics and as a result have had a transformative/meaningful experience. If this is you, we would appreciate your participation in our survey, which will take approximately 30-40 minutes. More information is provided at the following link, where you can participate if you choose.

https://uow.au1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3Wzh955gi2BzODP

Thank you for considering to participate – I really appreciate it!! :mushroom2:




I had a clairavoyant experience a couple of times.  I used the first one as my profound trip, your survey was not equipped to handle it.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: szubsa]
    #26891716 - 08/21/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The experience teaches something the doctor cannot teach and has no influence on.




Yeah, that's a better way to put it.

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Like you, I also used shroms for many years and had hundreds of trips. Each trip is like a small piece of a puzzle and once you put those pieces together you start seeing a larger picture. This larger picture could become some kind of a religion/belief system and could lead to worshipping the mushroom. Worshipping the mushroom to keep on your path, to block opposite thoughts and thereby preventing wondering off in other directions. Worshipping the mushroom as your guide in this world.





My experience is considerably different than that.  I never put pieces together from many trips, I just had trips that consistently illuminated that so-called larger picture, to where that became my consistent experience.  Today, after over a thousand trips, I confidently expect any high-dose trip to deliver me straight to the realm known generally as hyperspace, with all the amazing stuff that goes along with it, and with an enhanced consistent connection to a larger reality that informs my daily thinking. :awesomenod:

There was no option in the survey for any of this, so I ended up fabricating an imaginary "profound trip" in order to be able to describe the changes that tripping in general brings.  Their thing might be "one and done" but that's not how this stuff works IME.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: NightWqtchman]
    #26892159 - 08/21/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well stated.  Agreed!


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    #26892749 - 08/22/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

All my trips are more like lessons in school and are more about specific subjects.

I drink the tea ( I always make a tea) and lie down, awaiting what's coming. While waiting random thoughts cross my mind and, when it finally starts working, it stops at one particular thought and makes a story/lesson from it. Not all thoughts seem suitable for making something of them. To me it appears as if it intentionally picks out (the)one that's most suitable.

An example of such a lesson (in short): I somehow was thinking about being free and in charge (I don't exactly remember how I got to this thoughts). It told me that the idea of humans being free and in charge was nothing but an illusion altogether.

It showed me how we, centuries ago, didn't believed to be free. We believed there was a god and that we had to follow his rules, laws and commandments. If not, this god would punish us.

Then came modern science telling us that God doesn't exist and that we are free to do whatever we want and can. Not bound by God's rules we are free and can use science and technology to build a better world that better fits our needs and desires and become the masters of this world. And perhaps even the whole universe.

We believed that and started building. The more we built, the more rules and specific behavior our buildings required from us. More and more taking away our personal freedom. We build dangerous things like chemical and nuclear plants for instance. And to keep all dangerous things under control we have to control our own behavior.

It showed me some industrial park that looked like a large monstrous entity. It feeds us, we depend on it for our survival, we cannot longer live without it and in return have to obey its rules and commandments. We became the servants of our own buildings. There's no way back.

If we refuse, it will take revenge on us. Think about the Beirut blast where they didn't follow the rules of proper storage of ammonium nitrate. So instead of being God's servants we now are the servants of something else. Still not free and in charge of us and the world. Being free and in charge is a logical impossibility and will never happen. The only freedom we have is to choose whose servant we want to be. Nothing in this world is for free. If we take something, we have to give something back in return.


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Re: Univ. of Wollongong Research Study - Investigating Meaningful Psychedelic Experiences [Re: kmn594]
    #26893198 - 08/22/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lotsa noobs make an appearance all of a sudden during a promotion. Gotta wonder who the fuck is pulling the strings. :rolleyes:


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