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New Grow Advice Please?
#26883277 - 08/16/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello guys,
So after a fairly long break of not growing I decided to get back into it.
I have been researching some of these mini mono tub tek's, PastyWhyte's in particular, HERE however, I have never done a normal mono before and I have all of the supplies for the mini's as well as 7 BRF jars of Brazilians that really need out.
I plan to spawn in coco coir/verm and I was told by a trustworthy source that I need to keep my spawn ratio at 50/50. Being that I will be using a 20 quart tub and that my jars are only the 1/2 pint size, I intend to spawn all 7 jars that are colonized.
I wanted to make sure first of all, I'm building my tub correctly. Following the post that I linked above, it looks like I need 5 1/4" holes on the short sides of the tub staggered and 2 rows total (so 3 holes on the bottom and 2 on top just like Pastywhyte has) Then since he said his go to size hole saw is 1.25" for a regular mono, I figured using 3/4" holes for the big holes on the long sides of the tub would suffice.
However, I would really appreciate if somebody could clarify with me that that's all I need. Also I know that I need to line the tub and to also stuff the bigger holes with polyfill.
Here are a couple of questions that I have though:
1. As far as the bigger holes go, do I just need one on each longside of the tub? and at what height?
2. Also when I line the tub, I plan on using just a black trash bag, would it be okay to tape the liner to the side of the tub? OR do you just line the tub and let the weight of the sub hold it down?
3. I was also told on that post that you're supposed to cover the small holes with tape until the pinset arrives. but what about the lid? Does this get removed the whole way through? Or doI keep it on until pinset like the tape?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush] 1
#26886237 - 08/18/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. Not that important. All different things work 2. It doesn't need to be black. And don't tape it you want it to shrink with the substrate. 3. I do fruiting conditions immediately.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26886250 - 08/18/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you Bod!
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26886297 - 08/18/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: 3. I do fruiting conditions immediately.
Do you do this with your shoeboxes as well? Or do you always use the grocery bag with holes until full colonization?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26886412 - 08/18/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grocery bag with holes is fruiting conditions
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26887269 - 08/18/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: 1. Not that important. All different things work
Given that I have not had any experience with mono's yet. I am completely unsure as to how many big holes to drill on each side and where though. I was thinking 3/4" big holes, I'm hoping that's a sufficient size, just not sure exactly where they need to be. I don't want to mess anything up.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26887321 - 08/18/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pick someone's tub tek and go with it. Its a tek because it works
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26887982 - 08/19/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Pick someone's tub tek and go with it. Its a tek because it works
Well I am going with the tek that I linked in my original post. However, it doesn't say anything about the lid needing to be on or off. If I put it into fruiting right away, will i need to keep the lid on?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26888039 - 08/19/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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there's no point to holes if the lids off.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26888148 - 08/19/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Makes sense. Thank you
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26888188 - 08/19/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think for monotubs your hole sizes should be fine. I use 1" holes in my big tubs and stuff with polyfil. If you see that humidity isn't high enough just add more polyfil to restrain FAE.
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You get humidity from FAE. Evaporating moisture from your substrate. Don't choke tubs
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26888500 - 08/19/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I ended up going with 1 1/2" ID holes. It's the only size closest to 1 1/4" that i could find and when I re-read Pasty's tek he said he uses 1 1/4" for all sizes typically. I only was thinking 3/4" since I didn't think it was specified in his post for the 20qt but it was.
I did stuff with polyfil, if anything I probably stuffed it loose. How tight should it be?
Also, I hope this doesn't make a huge difference, but when I was drilling the one hole I cracked the plastic pretty good in multiple places along the long side and didn't feel like running to the store for another tote I just taped this one up real good inside and out of where it was cracked and still was able to salvage a perfect hole out of it after fixing.
I am waiting on my substrate to cool now, using coir/verm.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26888955 - 08/19/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I follow Pasty's Mini mono above, how often am I to mist? Also I just spawned but I did not dunk my cakes, can I just mist the substrate?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush] 1
#26889043 - 08/19/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey Bod!
I've been following your teks in my first grows and they succeeded. Not that it yielded like the pictures I've seen but I felt great by just harvesting my own shrooms and really appreciate every tek I learn here.
I've been thinking about your approach to FAE and it makes sense to me to use unmodified tubs but I wonder if your fruiting room has any particular air circulation or is it just a small closed room like mine.
Maybe the question is... how fresh the FAE must be? 
'Cos one day my room was too hot and I opened a window. It's winter here in Buenos Aires and with the window opened two big healthy mushrooms grew like trying to reach the window. Does that make any sense to you or is it just my imagination?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. I'm not sure I'd have that kind of patience and generosity.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: polko]
#26895762 - 08/23/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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7 Brazilian cakes into 8 quarts coir/verm. (Hoping I didn't f the math up)
It's been about 4 days and this is what I have so far:
 
Here are some Introverts since I got a little busy:

Things seem to be looking pretty good to me so far, although I am realizing my liner on this tub was pretty messy as well and although I tried cleaning out beneath it and around the sides as best as I could, it looks like I missed a few spots as there are little spots of myc growing on the outside of the liner ha.
On a side not there are 2 jars that I have of another strain. 1 syringe that I got completely leak about 4ccs into one of my jars without me even touching the plunger. I was so pissed off, I've never once had this happen to me before.
I inocc'd one hole with 1/4 cc, then sterilized the needle as normal procedure and moved to the 2nd hole and after pushing the needle down into the substrate inside of the jar as usual (without ever even have touched the plunger or anywhere near the top of the syringe) and before I could even get my thumb to the plunger, it just started leaking somehow. Needle was absolutely on right and tight. I was pretty frustrated with this as I am extremely meticulous with my sterilization/inoculation process. Anyhow, that jar doesn't look too good...It's all thick white non-rhizomorphic mycelium. I believe it's mycelium anyway. I'll be posting a pic at some point.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26898775 - 08/25/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There seems to be a good deal of condensation on the sides of my tub as well as on top of the surface of the substrate. This tub has not once been misted, I'm assuming the moisture is coming from the myc growing?
I'm concerned that there isn't enough FAE to evaporate the water droplets. Should I loosen the polyfil or fan? Or do I just let it go as is?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26900536 - 08/26/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bump please.
Sorry, I hate doing that but I haven't been seeing as much activity on this as I was expecting. Just looking to learn and do this right.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26911884 - 09/01/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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UPDATE!
Things are looking fantastic so far!
There is a good amount of moisture on the sides of the tub with tiny drops of moisture on the surface of the substrate, all naturally produced! Perfect amount of moisture, I must have gotten lucky with guessing the amount of poly-fil to put in so that's awesome.
I am now starting to get pins! I just got 2-3 noticeable one's that just popped up today!
Here take a look!
By the way, are those tiny little white dots the beginnings of other pins?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26912057 - 09/01/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Knots for sure
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Looks good man.
I think some people would disagree but I would actually mist a little. It looks pretty dry in the first couple pics especially.
Yeah the little dots are knots which grow into pins.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: A.k.a]
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I agree with
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Really? I thought the RH was perfect but I'm not as experienced. I just always had bad experience with misting once pins arrived. Always causing aborts that way.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26913303 - 09/02/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Misting won’t cause aborts as long as you have enough airflow.
Also don’t mist the surface directly you gotta spray up and let it rain down.
This is how I try to keep mine looking
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: A.k.a]
#26913329 - 09/02/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I always spray upwards, I just always thought since I was getting aborts after misting in the past, that it was the misting causing t. Mine looks almost identical to your pic there. Tiny tiny beads of water on the surface. It's been sitting like that for almost 2 weeks as well without being touched.
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Maybe it’s just the lighting in some of the pictures then.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: A.k.a]
#26913398 - 09/02/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has to be the shadow in the pic, because there are perfect little tiny beads of moisture resting on the the top of the surface. Just wish I had a better camera lol
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26916974 - 09/04/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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  They're all taking to the sides lol
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26917033 - 09/04/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cubes like it wet.
These are growing from 100% liquid (rye simmer water) but as mentioned before fresh air is key.

Humidity is good but you also want regular surface evaporation which is sometimes prevented by very high humidity without FAE.
Personally I'd mist a bit. It is tricky to get coir to breathe right. Peat/verm seems to breathe better and hold moisture better but the PH and calcium levels are more tricky. Good luck and keep on trucking.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: Nichrome]
#26917393 - 09/04/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Should I remove some polyfil now that there are fruits coming in? If so, how much?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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tryptkaloids said: Read this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
Good read. I noticed he is doing regular mono whereas I'm doing a mini. I imagine the same would apply, I just don't have bottom holes. Just 2 holes on each side and around the upper middle of the tub
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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look into pasty's minimonos then
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tryptkaloids said: look into pasty's minimonos then
That's what I was following. Didn't see much if anything about the amount of polyfil and if some were to be removed once fruits arrive to increase FAE
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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I'm guessing it's a fruit at spawn sort of deal. is there a dry ring around the holes?
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Yup, at first. Each day though more moisture was appearing
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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it's pumping out heat. I wouldn't do anything with that. the side pins tell me the surface dried out.
more fae won't help with your conditions. it'll just dry out the surface more,
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There’s a ton of good TEKs out there that would’ve answered a lot of those questions, you can search just for TEKs as well. But I do understand getting live feedback.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: dothedew69]
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tryptkaloids said: it's pumping out heat. I wouldn't do anything with that. the side pins tell me the surface dried out.
more fae won't help with your conditions. it'll just dry out the surface more,
The surface is covered with tiny beads of moisture and has been for about a week now. It isn't dry IMO however, I'm not exactly sure the extent you mean when you say it's dryQuote:
dothedew69 said: There’s a ton of good TE Ks out there that would’ve answered a lot of those questions, you can search just for TE Ks as well. But I do understand getting live feedback.
yeah, I've probably been through a lot of those teks. It's been a few years since I've done this and I forgot a lot. Plus I always did SGFC's or shoeboxes. Live feedback is very prominent when wanting another pair of hopefully experienced eyes.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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I’m in the same boat as you, lol I looked back and last message was 2010. I feel your pain, a lot has changed but more simplified. I’ve been following Bod’s TEKs just because I like the simplicity. But read through a ton of others like mixing substrate in a trash bag with spawn. If you want a liner kill two birds with one stone.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: dothedew69]
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dothedew69 said: I’m in the same boat as you, lol I looked back and last message was 2010. I feel your pain, a lot has changed but more simplified. I’ve been following Bod’s TEKs just because I like the simplicity. But read through a ton of others like mixing substrate in a trash bag with spawn. If you want a liner kill two birds with one stone.
Yeah I'm doing bod's stupid simple shoebox tek right now but the one shoebox looks like its about to fail. It's been in fruiting conditions for 2 weeks now and has no pins whatsoever and is bruised to shit with yellow metabolites all over it. That's a mexicube species. I have a PE shoebox too and I'm praying that it will work and not get fucked up like the other one...I really don't see what I did wrong, and that's the frustrating part.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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Dang that’s rough, you keeping logs? Even if you do a journal grow for yourself it can help sort some issues when you revisit.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: dothedew69]
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Do you have pics if the grain before colonization?
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dothedew69 said: Dang that’s rough, you keeping logs? Even if you do a journal grow for yourself it can help sort some issues when you revisit.
Yeah, this is the latest (the shoeboxes) besides this mono https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26885406Quote:
tryptkaloids said: Do you have pics if the grain before colonization?
It's BRF and I don't believe so. What would you be looking for? I remember almost exactly how they looked.
People seemed to not be able to answer my question about sufficient lighting either. I used to use LED's all of the time but I rushed into this without having the lights I like to use and I have these in a closet on a rack that's on the side of the well and there are just 2 fluorescent lightbulb's like you would see at a store just smaller inside with that plastic covering over it of course. Oh and the mini-mono is in an entirely different location and has an LED sitting on top of it 12/12
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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From what I understood the only real lighting that seemed more beneficial was 6500k daylight. But there’s a lot of pro lighting threads and lot that say it doesn’t matter. 12 on 12 off, any light should do. Hop on amazon and get some 6500k led bulbs, it will definitely be bright haha. 120w equivalents are strong. For my grow area I ended up getting shop lights with standard tubes, 65k. I do remember reading something that lead me to that decision. As far as colonizing I have some stuff in the dark some in the light and some 50/50 to see if i notice any effects in this part of the stage. Haven’t noticed any difference honestly but I started with ms.
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dothedew69 said: From what I understood the only real lighting that seemed more beneficial was 6500k daylight. But there’s a lot of pro lighting threads and lot that say it doesn’t matter. 12 on 12 off, any light should do. Hop on amazon and get some 6500k led bulbs, it will definitely be bright haha. 120w equivalents are strong. For my grow area I ended up getting shop lights with standard tubes, 65k. I do remember reading something that lead me to that decision. As far as colonizing I have some stuff in the dark some in the light and some 50/50 to see if i notice any effects in this part of the stage. Haven’t noticed any difference honestly but I started with ms.
Yeah I always see mixed opinions on here and everywhere else. I guess whatever works for the grower. I just haven't had any truly successful bulk grows other than 1 tiny shoebox of PE's that I got maybe 7g out of total lol. It caught trich right before the 2nd flush.
I've had success with cakes, but I want a bigger yield. I am also in no position to test agar yet although I very much want to and even have a friend who can teach me in person.
I would post a picture of my setup with the light involved, but the pictures are making the light look way brighter than it is.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26918069 - 09/04/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agar actually isn’t that hard I promise. I just did a run of 20 and I fucked up a couple but got several ones with some good myc growth. I just used a still air box. Go to your local brew supply store, grab some light malt extract for like $5, if you have an Asian food place can get agar agar for less than a buck and dishes are cheap online but you don’t have to use Petri dishes. Bod has some great videos of agar work, SAB work. It literally takes 1 drop from a ms syringe to get them going that’s how I did mine. Check out pastywhytes tek and bods tek. Its taking me a little to learn but I’m the end it’s going to save me a ton of headache. Are far as the flushes go that will help even better.
Edit: just had a thought if you don’t have a pressure cooker you can get like a 6 quart pressure cooker at Walmart.com. Cheap pc just needs to be big enough to pc the jar you have agar in. All the presto PC have 15psi weights I found from research. Even the little ones.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: dothedew69]
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what's holding you back from agar? Thats the true game changer.
I would be looking for signs of bacteria, and give an overall grain prep check
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Several different personal reasons are holding me back from it yet. I'm not intimidated by it at this point, I used to be though. Once those personal reasons resolve I will more than likely start doing this.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26922875 - 09/07/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update:
Pulled 2 sucker's out each weighing around 2.5grams
 Lots of little knots and white dots on the surface of the substrate but not many pins. Any reason for this?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26922904 - 09/07/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Surface conditions are better. It’s probably more humid under the liner with better air since it’s closer to the holes.
The surface looks good though, super level.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: A.k.a]
#26923754 - 09/07/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks brother! Anyway to get the sub itself to start pinning? There are many knots. More FAE?
Also, if my liner weren't so sloppy, would they be more inclined to fruit from the sub?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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1st flush is about done, should get an Oz dry all said and done with the first flush. Once it is, should I take out the substrate and dunk it after rinsing off as many of the spores as I can that dropped? Or should I bottom water? If so, how would I do that with a liner attached to the sub? Or does it just need an extremely heavy misting?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26928102 - 09/10/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would mist well, wait for pins to show, then bottom water between the lines and sub
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Oh really? Why bottom water if the sub is pinning? fruits taking all the moisture?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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Bottom watering is most beneficial when the pins are about a cm tall, that's when they bed the water the most
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Okay cool thanks man, hey would you mind checking out my "not pinning yet" post. It might not be called that exactly, but it's the most recent besides this one and one other I believe. I could use your input on it
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26928163 - 09/10/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Link?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26930344 - 09/11/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So my PE shoebox finally started pining. I looked in today and saw a few little guys along with a little bit of an older guy in there I'm not sure how I missed him last night when I did a misting haha. Not sure if it was just timing or if me putting the lid on it in place of the grocery bag helped at all. Leaning towards that since the other Mexicube shoebox had a grocery bag and went bad pretty quickly.
Same thing is happening with this as the mini-mono of brazillians I have going too. The fruits are all happening on the sides. In this case it's happening between the liner and the substrate. I hope they'll work their way up instead of down as some of them are angled downward at the moment, I don't want to have to destroy or mess up the substrate by picking them when they're ready.
Still many knots on the surface but no action yet like the sides. I think it's because I can't keep the right moisture on the surface whereas the liner and sub have more water droplets than the surface which dries out extremely fast.
I did find this link https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17736027
For anyone experiencing the same issues I am with substrate drying too quickly even when field capacity is correct, I haven't tried it yet but it makes perfect sense and earlier today before I read this I thought about putting a plastic liner on the top since the fruits obviously like those conditions. I just wonder if it's too late at this point to put it on. Maybe I will test it on the 2nd flush and see if that makes a difference.
Anybody ever tried this?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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So the mono really started taking off. I just didn't get as dense of a pinset as I was hoping. However I am still happy with the current results although they look like they need more FAE but I hardly have any polypill left in the holes. Maybe the holes aren't big enough? And more are on their way still
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26944399 - 09/19/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well here is the 1st Flush aside from 2 or 3 that I had to pick to avoid spores dropping:

Also, I picked another 3 after this picture. I don't want a mess of spores hitting the substrate if I can help it at all.
I have learned the following from this:
1. Make a way better liner to start. 2. Make substrate even more level if at all possible. 3. Don't take so much polyfill out of the tub to fatten the skinny ones that are growing. 4. I have been patching what I pull out right away with a clean substrate.
I know it's just BRF and you start getting nice canopies once you get into agar and grain. However, I have been trying to find a way to get a lot denser pinset and hopefully more fruits than this if at all possible. If anybody has any tips or a link to a good post for what I'm looking for that would be highly helpful!
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26944435 - 09/19/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Clone the largest fruit from a cluster
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Yeah, wish I would have done this. Maybe I'll get lucky and a bigger one is yet to come.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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Been about 9 days so far and aside from 1 pin which looks aborted, I am not seeing signs of a 2nd flush. Must be the genetics, I know it's not full PE and someone here said that PE6 (what this is) are more Texas Cubes than PE's anymore, I've always noticed PE's taking longer IME.
NEW GT MINI
So here is the new GT mini-mono that I started on 9/21.
I'm wondering if I need to remove some polyfill, or loosen it anyway. There are some rather big droplets of water on the surface that I'm worried will ruin any chance of primordia.

Look How Impooved That Liner Looks!
COMPARED TO:
 
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That looks good, certain types of myc seem to hold way more water beads than normal, one of my favorite grows was toc and did that.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: A.k.a]
#26957380 - 09/27/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, these genetics came from a spore print that I was given which I turned into a syringe. I'm hoping it does well. Thank you for your input. Hoping it fruits in about a week or so. GT's always have grown fast for me.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26958511 - 09/28/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did some jars of PEU on Thursday Evening. So far only one jar has a small patch of myc growing at only 1 injection site.
No other signs of growth other than that. Hope everything is okay. The syringe I used was kept in my fridge for 2 or 3 weeks.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26958524 - 09/28/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's only Monday bro, be patient.
Start agar
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tryptkaloids said: it's only Monday bro, be patient.
Start agar
Yeah, I understand. I've just never had brf take this long to show at least some signs, and yet the one jar has one decent growth started in just the one injection site. These things just make me a little nervous since it's only ever taken 3-6 days for me to see decent size, clearly visible growth.
Nothing on a 2nd flush yet either
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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I've had germ take up to 2 weeks
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with brf?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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I've only done brf a few times and it was awhile ago, but yes
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Thank you.
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tryptkaloids said: I've only done brf a few times and it was a while ago, but yes
Still seems strange though that 1 jar would get 1 spot of growth and nothing else and none of the jars showed anything either yet. If it's all from the same syringe you would think they would grow evenly.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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Its a genetic crapshoot. Theres also other variables, like distance between spores, differences in the sub etc
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Interesting, definitely not trying to be impatient. Just was concerned something was wrong when I saw growth from just 1 out of 12 jars .
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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Its been getting cold here. That could slow things down
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This is true, Trying to keep my temps the same though, whether less A/C when it's warmer, or just straight heat when it's cold, I do have a decent bit of control over the surrounding environment,
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26965775 - 10/02/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got pins coming out of the new GT mini. Looking great so far.
Still no 2nd flush on both my shoebox and the mini both with contain PE6. Been almost 2 weeks since 1st flush stopped, I misted heavily and even rinsed the substrated since there were some spore droppings. Been misting normally and trying to create evaporation for the pins to start up again, no luck though. The patches of sub that I added never fully colonized and the sub is starting to get lots of metabolites. Are these cake's exhausted?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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How's this looking?

I've got concerns about the yellow in the corner. It's not that bad yet but it's gotta be caused by the giant water droplet that's been sitting there now for a week or more. It's not just in the corner either. It's here and there along the substrate. Not too bad, but not sure why it got like that. It was fine and white just a day or 2 ago..
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#26970434 - 10/05/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Finally some DECENT genetics! This is all BRF and they're GT's so they're obviously super easy to work with. This is the best pinset I have ever achieved so far in this hobby. I am so happy and sort of proud of myself for coming as far as I have with it even though it's not a big deal to most of you who have been doing this longer than I. Soon to get into agar and start some clones.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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Still seeing some very small spots of a yellowish color. Hoping it's only metabolites, but they're all manly on the edges and there was one strange slimy/see-through gooey piece of some type of yellow tissue that I removed with a sterile exacto.
I hope that didn't hurt it, but I did notice a slight yellow color to below the substrated where I started almost digging into ever so slightly while removing these yellow blotches.
Was really hoping that there isn't a bunch of yellow myc all through the core of the cake or something that will ruin the grow or get me sick when I decide to consume the fruits.
It would be greatly appreciated if somebody could maybe analyze this quickly and give me a good answer to that situation...
P.S
PEU jars that I inocc'd on 9/22. and one more jar started slowly showing growth but, just like the other, it's only on one part of the injection site. So strange I've never had this before, I'm going to keep the shoebox that they're in, near the heater but not too close obviously. I'm wondering if the cold is stalling them, even though it's only like 72-73 degrees in the place.
I am Hoping The spores aren't going bad, I have 3 more syringes, one of which is APE, PE strains are my favorite, and I never had the APE, or tried it. They have been in the fridge for a month or 2, but the fridge is at average temp. Just hoping that doesn't have anything to do with it, that isn't a very long time for spores to just shit out IMO.
Anyway, any advice on all of this would be great. Thanks, guys!
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26975594 - 10/08/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks to NC I know have a fully working PC. Once I'm at 15 psi and I throw the rocker on, is it 1 or 2 hours for sterilization? I'd imagine 2 but idk if that's overkill with the PC I've never used one before.
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#26976735 - 10/09/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, when you patch holes after harvesting, does the mycelium ever fully take over the new substrate you added? Mine seems to not ever fully colonize the new stuff.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
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I never patch after a flush.
Make sure you are venting your pc for 10m before putting the rocker on.
Agar and liquids take 15m (depending on media) and grain takes 90m at 15psi
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Make sure you are venting your pc for 10m before putting the rocker on.
Agar and liquids take 15m (depending on media) and grain takes 90m at 15psi
Okay, so I'm just messing with BRF still for now and I'm barely doing that as I don't have much time right now for that.
I've officially used a PC now finally....geez. I was shown a method of PCing by someone I know who is very knowledgeable on this subject and who I wish to keep as anonymous as possible. that I know who doesn't do much of this anymore. This method excluded the lids on the jars and instead just 2 layers of very tightly wrapped /pressed foil over the top of the jar down towards the middle.
I had personally done this method with this person, and I had the most success I've ever had, and I wasn't frustrated with all of these little holes on lids and having to make them, this just made things so much more convenient and so I know it works...
However, I couldn't remember if we had condensation build-up on the underside of the foil or not, but if we did it really wasn't much. I just recently did this same exact process myself and found a decent bit of condensation on the underside of the foil. I don't necessarily think it was enough to cause any issues, but I'd obviously rather see none.
Now last time I had absolutely nothing to do with the PC I was just watching and trying to remember and take in as much as I could. I can't remember how much water was used, so this time around I used enough to make the water come up to about an inch on the jars. I had 2 stacks this time as well and I had to gently stack them on top of each other since I don't have a rack for this PC yet. Npt sure if this had anything to do with it but I went through with inoculating these jars and we will see what happens.
I need to know though how much water is typically added for PCing and how can I prevent this condensation problem on the underside of the foil? Would wrapping it from the bottom as well help? I didn't have to do that the last time.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26985010 - 10/14/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you atleast put jar rings or balls of foil under them?
Should be atleast 3 inches in the bottom and your glass should never touch the pc
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Quote:
tryptkaloids said: Did you atleast put jar rings or balls of foil under them?
Under the jars themselves? I of course put down a towel or old t-shirt at the bottom to keep indirect contact. I've always done that.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26985191 - 10/14/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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is there anyway to cut down the condensation?
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26985906 - 10/14/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont make cakes nor have I ever not used a proper lid...
Idk
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2nd flush

How's it looking? I'm noticing the caps are bumpier.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26986956 - 10/15/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks good. The caps look like they’re slightly too wet is all.
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: A.k.a]
#26987227 - 10/15/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah okay, well thank you!
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Re: New Grow Advice Please? [Re: MisterKush]
#26987618 - 10/15/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely got some dents or indentations on the caps of these ones. Weird. Hoping nothing bacterial? Doesn't seem soft or anything just dented inward.
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