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too much coir (experiment)
    #26882139 - 08/15/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

First time poster, but I wanted to share some little experiments with coir I've done after running into a couple problems (not on purpose!) lol

I did some BRF cakes in my past and this time around I'm trying BOD's unmodified tub tek. My first time around I totally messed up my water to coir ratio. It was the 5:1 (water to coir) ratio that was listed, but by volume instead of weight (oops) so the coir was pretty much dissolved in the water completely. Dumped a bunch of verm and boom worked great! Not much to share here except that it works as recommended in Bod's writeup, even with a nearly completely liquid coir mix.

Second time around I wasn't going to make the same mistake and actually had to add some water at the end to get it right. That's all good but then I realized that I had prepared way too much substrate for my 32 qt tub! So now the new experiment is how quickly does it spawn/will it spawn at all when starting with a high coir:spawn ratio (I estimate it was maybe 8:1? I had like 5 or 6 qt of spawn I believe).

Anyways, I'll post as I get results, and if anyone has the same problem and can't find previous reports via the search bar (like me) then here's one anectodal one. I could've missed something but I figure it doesn't hurt to have more experiences on here right?

Here are my pics so far. No casing




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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: Kon Nok]
    #26890291 - 08/20/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol i just did the same my coir is too wet and i prepared way too much of it. Cant wait to compare results mine are just one day into spawning tho time will tell.


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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: moehd]
    #26890359 - 08/20/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It'll likely work if spawn is clean, will just take longer.

PS: you dont need ( or even want to ) duct tape your bottoms.


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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: Smartattack]
    #26890477 - 08/20/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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PS: you dont need ( or even want to ) duct tape your bottoms.




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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26890635 - 08/20/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I too believed that blacking out the bottom doesnt do anything to prevent side and bottom pins until i tried a PE experiment (not even to test for side/bottom pins).

2 tubs on the bottom and 2 stacked on top. The 2 on the top with bottom light exposure have bottom pins and the bottom tubs have zero. This was just recently. I may have to switch to blacking out the sides now after experiencing this first hand. I really didnt want to believe it myself trust me.


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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: maxmush] * 1
    #26890639 - 08/20/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I too believed that blacking out the bottom doesnt do anything to prevent side and bottom pins until i tried a PE experiment (not even to test for side/bottom pins).

2 tubs on the bottom and 2 stacked on top. The 2 on the top with bottom light exposure have bottom pins and the bottom tubs have zero. This was just recently. I may have to switch to blacking out the sides now after experiencing this first hand. I really didnt want to believe it myself trust me.




Could you not instead assume the tubs on the bottom with no sidepins had better surface conditions due to the weight of the other tubs on their lids improving the seal?


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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26890654 - 08/20/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Good point, but the tubs were placed in a cross pattern to ensure the tub seals were not compromised. I also didnt touch them at ALL for 2 weeks. No movement whatsoever. The difference is not only noticeable, but blatant. I didnt want to believe this either. I'll post pics on a new thread soon.

BTW the bottom did have side pins as well, but zero bottom pins unlike the top ones.

Also I put all in high FAE immediately, so i believe the seal theory isnt a major factor. All tubs had FAE from the start.

This is a new finding for me...


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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: maxmush] * 1
    #26890669 - 08/20/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

One experiment is never sufficient to make conclusions.


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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: Smartattack]
    #26890689 - 08/20/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Very true. Just sharing my results. I am not saying it is conclusive by any means, but the results in this instance are undeniable.

I dont want to hijack this thread. Will post pics very soon.


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Edited by maxmush (08/20/20 08:36 PM)


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Re: too much coir (experiment) [Re: maxmush]
    #26900053 - 08/26/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey everyone! Almost at 2 weeks over here. The surface is almost completely colonized, not sure if the same can be said for the 'body' of the substrate. I'll update again once they start fruiting. Doesn't seem like the coir amount is giving them any trouble, though I'm curious if it will affect the nutrition they have access to?

To clarify, the lid is on most the time (handles aren't 'locking' it  but it's still closed). During colonization I've just been opening it briefly once or twice a day. When it starts fruiting I'll try to get more GE going but I am a bit worried about my small fruit fly problem!






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