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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26879621 - 08/14/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Jobs done by humans I mean.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26879622 - 08/14/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh::stevolmao:


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: psi]
    #26879624 - 08/14/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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psi said:
Jobs done by humans I mean.



I know, but robots need jobs too.

Maybe it is essential for them to have to crush the skulls of humans to stop the spread of covid.  :doge:


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26879711 - 08/14/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Nah, in animals some of the vaccines have a 95% efficiency. I expect them to have a similar success rate in humans once they're available.

Once the vaccine is out, I'm not social distancing or doing any other damn thing. The people pumping this ineffective vaccine stuff are just fear mongering plain and simple, and it might even be people intentionally trying to hurt our country who are behind that BS.






Getting it asap myself. I don't really trust the gov, but I am familiar with the workings of big pharma and I know that as long as they're liable for being sued due to issues with the vaccine(which I don't see why they still wouldn't be held liable) then safety will be taken into account - it's been the pharma companies pushing back against unrealistic timelines like november for mass vaccination - they're not benign or good, but getting sued is super bad for business and there is sooo much money and oversight devoted to safety for this shit. Yes we're going warp speed, but that's thanks to all the efforts of modern science and the fact that we're throwing all the resources we can at it. Maybe someone with a little more know how of vaccine development can chime in with more accuracy, but my desire to get it and return to even a semi-normal life outweighs my fear of adverse effects.


I don't think masks or social distancing will go away though, unfortunately - it'll take longer to fade out. About 1/3 of Americans won't take it. Things are going to be changed pretty much forever. But as long as my family, my close friends and people, and I are safe and I can travel just a little bit, even just to the rest of north america, I will be a happy camper.



But shit's fucked. Rona is now endemic. Let's hope over time it becomes like any other common cold in terms of severity or that we still have enough for herd immunity with a chunk of the population not taking it. I do recall seeing Fauci say that herd immunity could potentially be achieved with a slightly lower vaccination rate for covid.



The thing that gets me are the 'secret microchip' people. Like I have family members who have crossed into that world. They all fucking spew this tracking microchip shit all through facebook on their iphones :lol:. Fucking morons. Gubment don't have to spend billions of dollars to inject you with a tracking device, you're carrying one around constantly and spewing verbal diarrhea on facebook of all platforms. The irony is just mind boggling.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #26879726 - 08/14/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
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nooneman said:
Nah, in animals some of the vaccines have a 95% efficiency. I expect them to have a similar success rate in humans once they're available.

Once the vaccine is out, I'm not social distancing or doing any other damn thing. The people pumping this ineffective vaccine stuff are just fear mongering plain and simple, and it might even be people intentionally trying to hurt our country who are behind that BS.






Getting it asap myself. I don't really trust the gov, but I am familiar with the workings of big pharma and I know that as long as they're liable for being sued due to issues with the vaccine(which I don't see why they still wouldn't be held liable) then safety will be taken into account - it's been the pharma companies pushing back against unrealistic timelines like november for mass vaccination - they're not benign or good, but getting sued is super bad for business and there is sooo much money and oversight devoted to safety for this shit. Yes we're going warp speed, but that's thanks to all the efforts of modern science and the fact that we're throwing all the resources we can at it. Maybe someone with a little more know how of vaccine development can chime in with more accuracy, but my desire to get it and return to even a semi-normal life outweighs my fear of adverse effects.


I don't think masks or social distancing will go away though, unfortunately - it'll take longer to fade out. About 1/3 of Americans won't take it. Things are going to be changed pretty much forever. But as long as my family, my close friends and people, and I are safe and I can travel just a little bit, even just to the rest of north america, I will be a happy camper.



But shit's fucked. Rona is now endemic. Let's hope over time it becomes like any other common cold in terms of severity or that we still have enough for herd immunity with a chunk of the population not taking it. I do recall seeing Fauci say that herd immunity could potentially be achieved with a slightly lower vaccination rate for covid.



The thing that gets me are the 'secret microchip' people. Like I have family members who have crossed into that world. They all fucking spew this tracking microchip shit all through facebook on their iphones :lol:. Fucking morons. Gubment don't have to spend billions of dollars to inject you with a tracking device, you're carrying one around constantly and spewing verbal diarrhea on facebook of all platforms. The irony is just mind boggling.




Hi, I work in a company that does contract work for the companies making the vaccines and have an advanced degree in Medicinal chemistry.  It is well known that animal to human studies rarely achieve the same success rates, and often times fail spectacularly.  Not saying this will happen, but my company is contracted by the 2 leading vaccine candidates to produce an adjuvant (extra chemical) to put into the vaccine that promotes a more rigorous immune response.  This is a good sign that they don't have confidence in those animal numbers transferring to humans.  The good news is this adjuvant is used in several existing vaccines and performs admirably.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26879730 - 08/14/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Very interesting to hear, thankyou!


And yeah, I constantly see advances in animal studies for things like cancer and alheimzers. Really amazing stuff, but it seems like it's always in animal models and that scaling it up to human use is a completely different ball game, so this makes sense.


And thanks for the work you do too :thumbup:. Savin' all our dumb asses.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26880175 - 08/14/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The vaccine will be the best thing to come out this year, I'm ready for this shit to end already


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] * 1
    #26880195 - 08/14/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

LOL, you just know people like Hamhead and budmanman are gonna drag this thing out though right?



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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26880201 - 08/14/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I also can't wait for the russian offbrand vaccine to come out, just for that very special demographic here.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #26880327 - 08/14/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The vaccine will be the best thing to come out this next year, I'm ready for this shit to end already



Fixed it for you.  :thumbup:


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26880445 - 08/14/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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LOL, you just know people like Hamhead and budmanman are gonna drag this thing out though right?






Once HCQ results are published, there will not be any need for a coronavirus vaccine.

https://thefreedomarticles.com/toxic-vaccine-adjuvants-the-top-10/

THE STORY:Despite Big Pharma & Western Medicine boasting about the benefits of vaccines, this list of toxic vaccine adjuvants & ingredients contain numerous known, proven carcinogens.
THE IMPLICATIONS:How can anyone truly say vaccines are safe given these dangerous adjuvants & ingredients, especially when they bypass the digestive filter and go straight into the bloodstream? Why are the same amounts of these ingredients okay in a vaccine but a health hazard in another situation?

Toxic vaccine adjuvants
and ingredient are not emphasized enough in the debate over the safety of vaccines. The medical establishment, which has essentially been wed to Big Pharma ever since its inception by the Rockefellers, routinely downplays the idea that these adjuvants are quite harmful. In reality, many are known carcinogens. Western medicine also tends to makes the excuse that it is a case of “benefit vs. risk”, and that the benefit outweighs the risk – but does it really, given the ton of natural alternative remedies and the fact that these adjuvants can get stuck in your body forever? I have listed 10 of the most common toxic vaccine adjuvants below, and after reading about each one, please consider whether you think we can accurately call vaccines “good medicine”, given that these 10 adjuvants are being injected directly into the bloodstream (thus bypassing the digestive filters) of every vaccine patient who receives them.

You can confirm that these adjuvants and ingredients are indeed being added to vaccines by looking the official lists of the CDC (Center for Disease Control) as well as other websites like this.

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #1: Mercury (Thimerosal or Thiomersal)
Mercury, which constitutes 49.7% of thimerosal (or thiomersal), has been commonly known for a very long time to be a highly toxic agent. Mercury has always been beloved by allopathy ever since its inception; in fact, the 3 main treatments of the early allopaths of the 19th century were bloodletting, surgery and the injection of toxic heavy metals like lead and mercury to purportedly displace disease! The expression “mad as a hatter” comes from the observation that the early hat makers, who used mercury in felt to make hats, became crazy through inhaling the stuff.

Numerous studies have been done on the toxicity of mercury, with evidence it leads to infertility, gastritis (a precancerous stage of gastric cancer), neurodegeneration, mitochondrial abnormalities, nephrotic syndrome, apoptosis (cell death) and autism, yet the IARC (International Agency for Research on Cancer, under the auspices of the Rockefeller-created WHO) still refuses to admit mercury can cause cancer and is leaving mercury categorized as a class 2b possible carcinogen (as opposed to class 2a probable carcinogen or class 1 definite carcinogen). The study above on cell death concluded:

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Mercury (Hg) is a highly toxic metal that can exert multiple adverse effects, ultimately leading to cell death. Before causing death, the Hg enters the cells and affects diverse intracellular targets.

Since thimerosal contains about 50% mercury by weight, vaccines with a ratio of 1:10,000 (or 0.01% thimerosal) have about 50 mg/L mercury, which exceeds the 0.2 mg/L hazardous waste toxicity regulatory level for mercury. According to US state and federal hazardous waste management requirements, any vaccines with this level of thimerosal which are discarded need to be treated as hazardous waste.

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #2: Aluminum
Aluminum is another metal which, like mercury, is highly harmful for human health. Aluminum is a “light” metal rather than a heavy metal like lead and mercury, but its health effects are devastating nonetheless. As a vaccine adjuvant, aluminum is normally mixed into the vaccine as a salt, e.g. as aluminium phosphate and aluminium hydroxide.

This study specifically asked the question, “Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?” and found they were not. Other studies have implicated aluminum in the development of impaired congitive function, neurotoxicity, Alzheimer’s and autism. (It should be noted, however, that it is possible to take aluminum into the body if it is tightly bound as a molecule and not suffer any ill effects, because it will pass straight through the body and not be released. An example of this is zeolite, a matrix of aluminum silicates, which is actually a spectacular health supplement that can safely remove toxins like mercury from your body.)

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #3: Human Diploid Cells (Aborted Fetuses)
Believe it or not, fetal DNA tissue is used in vaccine cultures, disguised under the name of diploid cells. A diploid cell is simply a cell with a double set if chromosomes. These cells are human cells, derived from the tissue of babies or fetuses, some of which are definitely aborted! This has being going on for over 50 years. The article Human Fetal Links with Some Vaccines admits that “Two different strains of human diploid cell cultures made from fetuses have been used extensively for vaccine production for decades. One was developed in the United States in 1961 (called WI-38) and the other in the United Kingdom in 1966 (called MRC-5).”

Many people, religious or not, are understandably opposed to allowing themselves to be injected with the tissue of dead babies. Would you want to be injected with that? There are major ethical ramifications here, not to mention grave health issues too. A study by Dr. Deisher found a connection between the injection of human diploid cells and autism. The basis of this is that when you inject something foreign into your body, your cells will either assimilate it (whereby the foreign human DNA will be transported into nuclei and be integrated into host genome, causing phenotype change) or attack it (meaning you develop an auto-immune response, leading to the auto-immune diseases of the ASD [Autism Spectrum Disorder]). Either way, residual human fetal DNA fragments in vaccines can be one of causes of autism in children. Dr. Deisher’s study concluded:

Autistic disorder change points years are coincident with introduction of vaccines manufactured using human fetal cell lines, containing fetal and retroviral contaminants, into childhood vaccine regimens. This pattern was repeated in the US, UK, Western Australia and Denmark. Thus, rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells.
I also recommend watching Clint Richardson’s fantastic documentary “Lethal Injection” where he delves into the issue of aborted diploid cells and offers further research and analysis.
Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #4: Animal Cells
Almost all vaccines need something in which to grow the culture, and that normally means animal cells. All sorts of animals are used for this, including chickens, pigs, dogs, monkeys, horses, rabbits, cows and more. All these animal cells remain in trace amounts in the vaccine, as admitted by the FDA. This means that when you allow a vaccine to be injected into your body, you are allowing animal DNA into your body, which of course are foreign protein cells. Is this really a good idea for your body? Consider that:

many vaccines contain egg-derived albumin, which is responsible for a lot of allergic reactions according to this study;
pig/swine viruses were discovered in the Rotarix vaccine which the FDA suspended in 2010;
the polio vaccines of the 1960s, which contained monkey cells, were contaminated with a virus known as SV40 (simian virus 40). This later was shown to cause widespread cancer.
New vaccines are now being developed which contain dog cells (e.g. Flucelvax). Additionally, albumin can be human-derived, but it’s still a problem. This study concluded side effects were grossly under-reported, and there are still have concerns over the safety of it.

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Marti Oakley in an article on Activist Post entitled “Vaccines: Human and Animal DNA” points out that:

Cell lines, which can be derived from aborted human babies, can last for decades and are developed from a single type of cell.  Yet it is known that after continuous culturing these lines begin to mutate into cancer-causing agents. If these cell lines do this spontaneously in the lab, what are the chances they are doing the same thing once inside the human body where the culturing never ends? … We are being injected via vaccine with bits and pieces of other human beings; with the bits and pieces of other mammals.  Whatever the intended purpose of vaccines was initially, it is apparent that too little is either known or acknowledged regarding the potential adverse side affects from co-mingling the DNA of humans and animals and the potential for viral and bacterial cross-contaminations that can and do occur.

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #5: MSG (Monosodium Glutamate)
MSG (monosodium glutamate or sodium glutamate) is the sodium salt of the glutamic acid (glutamate), which is one of the amino acids or protein building blocks. Free glutamic acid is a neurotransmitter that your brain, nervous system, eyes, pancreas and other organs need to function and start certain processes in your body. MSG has become notorious for being a hidden ingredient in many foods which creates the illusion of protein or more food being present in what you’re eating – when they’re really not. In 1959, the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) labeled MSG as “Generally Recognized as Safe” (GRAS), yet since then it has acknowledged the existence of an “MSG Symptom Complex” which describes short-term reactions to MSG. These include numerous side effects which people experience after eating MSG, such as numbness, headaches, fatigue, disorientation and heart palpitations.

Despite its GRAS rating, the FDA commissioned a study on MSG in 1995, probably because of people complaining about “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome”. This study found that MSG Symptom Complex can involve symptoms such as:

Burning sensation
Facial pressure or tightnes
Chest pain or difficulty breathin
Headache
Nausea
Palpitation
Numbness
Tingling
Bronchospasm
Drowsiness
Weakness
How many people are sensitive to MSG? It has been estimated up to 40%. Dr. Russell Blaylock, a board-certified neurosurgeon and author of “Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills”, has done considerable research on MSG. He calls it an excitotoxin, meaning it overexcites your cells to the point of damage or death, causing brain damage to varying degrees, and potentially triggering or worsening amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, Lou Gehrig’s disease), Parkinson’s, and Alzheimer’s. All three diseases can develop gradually.

Why is MSG being used in vaccines? It’s being used because it is a stabilizer that prevents or slows down oxidation or damage from light. This website claims that MSG is only added to some vaccines: “Glutamate is added as a nutrient to the growth medium for MMR-II and is not in the final product in significant amounts; monosodium glutamate is added to FluMist (0.188 mg/0.2 mL dose); monosodium L-glutamate is added to ProQuad (.4mg), Zostavax (.62mg) and Varivax (.5mg); and potassium glutamate is added to RabAvert (1mg).”

Still, since MSG is a known toxin with deleterious effects on human health, why do doctors willingly inject it into people?

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #6: Formaldehyde
Formaldehyde is a foul-smelling chemical used a preservative and biocide. The IARC categorizes it as a class 1 definite carcinogen, and the National Toxicology Program concluded in this study that:

Formaldehyde is known to be a human carcinogen based on sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity from studies in humans and supporting data on mechanisms of carcinogenesis. Formaldehyde was first listed in the Second Annual Report on Carcinogens in 1981 as reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen based on sufficient evidence from studies in experimental animals. Since that time, additional cancer studies in humans have been published …
Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #7: Antibiotics
Antibiotics are typically used in vaccine production and manufacture. Antibiotics were once the crown jewel of Western medicine, with their ability to wipe out infectious diseases, but many have long known they are a double-edged sword. Antibiotics indiscriminately kill all the bacteria in your system, helpful or harmful. This obviously destroys the balance of bacteria in your gut, which forms the basis of your immune system. Thus, antibiotics invite all sorts of future problems and disease (unless you quickly re-establish the proper balance of bacteria, e.g. with probiotics), including fungal attacks.

I have previously written about the phenomenon of antibiotic overuse. There have been many reports in the last few years that Big Pharma is no longer investing in antibiotics, because every time they invent a new antibiotic drug, the bacteria adapt to it and change. This process is fueling the rise of superbugs. The FDA states some of the antibiotics used during vaccine manufacture include neomycin, polymyxin B, streptomycin and gentamicin. Some of these belong to the aminoglycoside class of antibiotics, which include side effects such as dizziness, nausea, renal (kidney) toxicity and ototoxicity (hearing loss).

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #8: Squalene
Squalene was an experimental toxic vaccine adjuvant added to vaccines around the time of the first Gulf War. Squalene has been implicated in GWS (Gulf War Syndrome) in this study, and the DoD (Department of Defense) conveniently “lost” (read destroyed) 700,000 immunization records, which might have told us why squalene was showing up in Gulf War veterans’ blood samples. ProjectCensored.com commented:

A military lab researcher interviewed by Insight was quoted as saying, “We have found soldiers who are not sick that do not have the antibodies, and we found soldiers who never left the United States, but who got shots (administered by the military) who are sick—and they have squalene in their systems. We found people who served overseas in various parts of the desert that are sick who have squalene. And we found people who served in the desert but were civilians who never got the shots, who are not sick and do not have squalene.”

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #9: Peanut Oil #65
Peanuts are known as a very common allergen, yet despite this, there are some vaccines which contain peanut oil. It has been used for a very long time. In fact, Dr. Lawrence Palevsky writes that it has been in use since 1960, and since Big Pharma vaccine manufacturers are not required by law to list every single ingredient used in culturing vaccines, there may be no real way to now which vaccines have traces of it. He writes:

If current vaccine package inserts do not contain the specific evidence that peanut oil, or peanut meal, is contained within the final vaccine product, it does not mean that peanut antigen is not in the final vaccine product. Vaccine manufacturers use different growth media on which to manufacture the vaccines. They do not report, and I believe are not required to report, the exact ingredients in all of the growth media. Therefore, we may not know whether peanut antigen is used in the vaccine manufacturing process just by reading through the package inserts … and, it may, or may not, have anything to do with an attempt to purposely hide the information that peanut antigen is present in vaccines.

Peanut oil is far from the only adjuvant used in vaccines which is highly allergenic. Other vaccine antigens, such as those used in Hepatitis B vaccines and the HPV (Human Papillomavirus) vaccine Gardasil, are manufactured in yeast cells. Yeast proteins have been shown to cause allergic reactions in people. Do you want this stuff in your bloodstream?

Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants / Ingredients #10: GMOs
On top of all the toxic vaccine adjuvants listed above, the GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) issue also pertains to vaccines, because vaccines are now being made with genetically engineered viruses. This goes to show that, sadly, the so-called sacred precautionary principle of science is often thrown to the wind when the potential for massive profit arises. We simply do not know what effect genetically engineered viruses will have on the human body long term. What happens when foreign DNA is inserted into the body? Does it trigger undesirable changes in human cells? Does the human body treat it as foreign and attack it? Does it combine with human DNA, and if so, is the new combined DNA an enhancement or impairment? Will it transfer to future generations? We’re clearly moving into unknown and potentially very dangerous territory by allowing this stuff to be be injected into our bodies.

This study warned of the dangers of using genetically engineered viruses in vaccines:

Genetically modified (GM) viruses and genetically engineered virus-vector vaccines possess significant unpredictability and a number of inherent harmful potential hazards … Important questions concerning effects on nontargeted individuals within the same species or other species remain unknown. Horizontal transfer of genes, though lacking supportive experimental or epidemiological investigations, is well established. New hybrid virus progenies resulting from genetic recombination between genetically engineered vaccine viruses and their naturally occurring relatives may possess totally unpredictable characteristics with regard to host preferences and disease-causing potentials. Furthermore, when genetically modified or engineered virus particles break down in the environment, their nuclei acids are released … There is inadequate knowledge to define either the probability of unintended events or the consequences of genetic modifications.

Other Toxic Vaccine Adjuvants and Ingtedients
In addition the above top 10 toxic vaccine adjuvants and ingredients, it would also be wise to take note of many other possible vaccine fillers, which include:

• acetone (solvent used in fingernail polish remover)
• ammonium sulfate
• amphotericin B
• betapropiolactone
• formalin
• gelatin
• glycerol
• hydrolized gelatin
• phenol red indicator
• phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
• potassium diphosphate
• potassium monophosphate
• polymyxin B
• polysorbate 20
• polysorbate 80
• residual MRC5 proteins
• sorbitol
• streptomycin (antibiotic)
• tri(n)butylphosphate (neurotoxin)

Investigating vaccines fully and deeply is like opening a witch’s “Pandora’s box” brew … who knows what creatures and concoctions are lurking in that syringe?

What do you think? Do you think it’s fair to call vaccines “good medicine”? Please spread this article far and wide, and let us know your opinion.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26880459 - 08/14/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You must be a very rich man with all the kickbacks you've been getting for spreading the HCQ hype.

You are getting kickbacks, aren't you? Don't tell me you've been working for free. Economy is too shitty for all that.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] * 1
    #26880472 - 08/14/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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ONE OZ SLUG said:
You must be a very rich man with all the kickbacks you've been getting for spreading the HCQ hype.

You are getting kickbacks, aren't you? Don't tell me you've been working for free. Economy is too shitty for all that.




HCQ is saving lives. No kickback needed.

What's fucked up is how it's being heavily restricted when other countries are showing great benefits in early treatments.

Over the counter in many countries, yet it needs a prescription in a country with arguably one of the best sickcare systems worldwide.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26880960 - 08/15/20 01:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

One of my family members husband just had a close brush with death, he had Covid 19 over a month ago, he got fairly sick from it, but not hospitalized initially, he is obese, ex sport player who got fat after getting out the work out game.

One after affect of covid 19 is blood thickening up and clotting easy. He developed many clots, his heart enlarged and something else happened I forget but anyway he had to spend a couple days in the hospital and get on blood thinners.

Obesity is the number 1 factor with dying from covid 19 other than being really old and almost dead already.

My family member told me that while she was at the hospital to pick him up she asked what they are currently doing to treat covid 19, this hospital is in Texas if that matters for any reason, they said hydroxychloroquine, zinc and what ever that other medicine is and that so far not 1 person has died that they treated with it.


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Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26880964 - 08/15/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
LOL, you just know people like Hamhead and budmanman are gonna drag this thing out though right?






Why is that? I am very Pro vaccine. They work and it can be proven in a petri dish. I try not to get any unessessary vaccines if possible, but I slid in some gravel on my motorcycle 3 years ago and something stabbed into my knee pretty good and deep so I got a tetanus shot, now I had gotten one only 3 or 4 years prior and I thought they were suppose to last 7 years but the doctor insisted for deep puncture it is only good for 2-4 years or some shit which I thought was odd, but I am not a doctor so I took it, I feel like maybe they just wanted the money for the vaccine in that situation.

But anyway I am very pro vaccine, take all of them you want as the more people are vaccinated the more protected I am. I don't like taking them unnecessarily for my self, so I don't get flu vaccines, if I have to catch the flu then so be it, I have caught it many times I don't mind that much, I wine a lot while I have it and it often times gives me pneumonia but oh well, but the more of you who get the flu vaccine the more protected I am so shoot it up, get that herd immunity, for me.

I already had covid so I got natures vaccine, and every time I get re exposed that is my booster shot.

But the more of you that get the covid vaccine, even though I am resistant, the more eradicated it is, the more long term I am protected. So I recommend everyone else get it. Along with any other vaccine that exists, get them all, for me. I won't be getting every vaccine that exists but I highly recommend everyone else does. Get them all for my sake.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26881178 - 08/15/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Obese people have difficulty breathing.

I work with a guy who is over 300lbs. I listen to his breathing patterns from time to time. Shallow, short, quick breaths.

His lungs never fill with air, which is why he has to breath so fast. Very little air is actually reaching his lungs with each breath as there is dead space in our nasal cavity and upper airways which don't absorb oxygen like lungs.

When breaths are short, there is less time for air diffusion within our lungs. It takes time for all those different molecules we breath in to be broken up and used by our bodies.

This is why obese people have difficulties with respiratory diseases. They are already stressed from not receiving an adequate amount of oxygen. When a dis ease happens, it becomes even more difficult for an obese person to breath. They start taking deeper breaths and pull whatever infections have taken hold down into the lower respiratory system, leading to lower respiratory infections such as pneumonia.

I, personally, have been putting more focus into slowing my breathing patterns and taking less breaths per minute. Slow, smooth, deep breaths in and out through my nose, using my diaphragm to pull air deep within my lungs as I feel my lungs fill with air and expand within my chest. Allowing all that air to diffuse within my lungs, sometimes holding breaths in for a few seconds, before allowing it to flow outwardly.

I feel comfortable taking 5-7 breaths per minute.

Edit.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5709795/

"There appears to be potential for use of controlled slow breathing techniques as a means of optimising physiological parameters that appear to be associated with health and longevity, and that may extend to disease states; however, there is a dire need for further research into the area."

:canthelpbutlaugh:

Let's go to India and do some research on some of them yogis. You know, ummm, uhh, those living in nasty conditions where people gather on a daily basis to bathe in a large pool of water, one of which people go to die, where bodies are burned in celebration.

https://www.travelandleisure.com/trip-ideas/adventure-travel/varanasi-india-death-celebrations

"It's good to have a death wish.
Yes, it’s true: People come to Varanasi with the intention of dying. In this city, having a death wish is a positive. Devout Hindus believe that cremation in holy Varanasi allows them to achieve moksha—liberation from reincarnation. Rather than enduring rebirth, if you expire in Varanasi you’ll go directly to nirvana. And the road to enlightenment leads from the steep, colorful ghats where the very public riverside funeral pyres for this ritual are located."

"Death is simply business in Varanasi.
For example, there are hotels such as Kashi Labh Mukti Bhavan that only accept occupants expected to die within 15 days. Yes, that means it literally offers death beds. Witnessing so many dead or close-to-dying people—often curled up asleep on the streets like this woman—may seem like a taboo to a Westerner, but this sort of out-of-the-ordinary experience is exactly why travel is important: to participate in a life we couldn’t have before imagined."

"The theater of death surrounds you.
In the Western world, death is often a private, solemn, quiet affair: in Varanasi, the opposite couldn’t be more true. Bodies are paraded through the streets down to the Ganges with chanting and fanfare, corpses burn at riverside ghat cremation sites around the clock, and there’s even an audience platform at Harishchandra ghat, giving onlookers a good view of the flames. But one of the best ways to take it all in respectfully—and to satisfy any morbid curiosity—is from a boat on the Ganges. Just row toward the smoke, drift, and watch."

"Ganges River: Center of life and death.
It’s shocking at first, but in the very water where the ashes and the corpses considered too impure to be burned are dumped, you’ll see women bathing or young boys rinsing their mouths, fountaining the water from their lips. And yes, the Ganges River is polluted, so much so that Prime Minister Narendra Modi has committed to a new plan of cleaning it by October 2019, the 150th anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi’s birth. But bathing in the Ganges, no matter how filthy the water, is considered an act of purification."

"Magic at Dashashwamedh Ghat.
There is more to Varanasi than its close relationship with death, though arguably nothing as compelling. But that’s with the possible exception of the Ganga Aarti, a daily public worship and impressively choreographed ceremony at dusk where a fire-filled dedication is made to Lord Shiva and the River Ganga. Under colored light, priests spin smoky brass lamps, chant, and sing."

"A nightly ceremony.
Thousands watch the nightly ceremony by boat, while others fill every platform of the ghat, , or crowd onto balconies and rooftops overlooking the 7-platform riverside stage. At the end of the ceremony, the priests walk to the river’s edge and pour water into the river, mere feet from the anchored boats, while chanting the final ritual prayers."

"Floating Offerings
A small, flickering candle surrounded by flowers, the hundreds of lit diyas look magical drifting down the Ganges in a nightly parade."

"What’s alive and kicking?
Cows. The labyrinthine alleyways leading to and away from Varanasi’s ghats are sure to be filled with bovines lumbering along with the rest of the crowds. Watch your step—underfoot, a mixture of excrement, trash, food, and other rubbish you won’t want to examine closer is practically unavoidable."

"You won't find kitschy souvenirs here.
It’s just not that kind of place, as after all, the great ghats, the burnings, the spirituality, the holy Ganges—those are the heartstrings of Varanasi. But elbow through the crowds filling the maze-like, dank passageways and you will find sights like this one packed in among the yoga studios and meditation retreats: storekeepers lounging on and among their treasures in teeny, boxy stalls, calling to you as you flash past."

"Live for the lassi.
Served in a disposable terra cotta pot, famous Blue Lassi in the Old City (near Meer Ghat) serves up artful yogurt in exotic flavors such as saffron and pistachio. Sit for a spell and you’ll most definitely see a body or two shouldered past to the burning ghat down the street. Those aware offer nods or prayers as the shrouded figures pass."

"Don't leave without trying the local tea.
This city of temples is also known for it’s tea, or chai, kiosks. After every vendor you speak with offers you a glass (literally, they pour hundreds of them daily) you’ll need to take home some masala simply to bring the city experience back to life."

"Nothing is kept behind closed doors.
This is one of the most indiscreet places in the world. And even though death is on Varanasi’s center stage, life boils here. You may see teenagers snapping selfies with a dead relative burning upon a pile of sandalwood, chanting women washing their clothing at the bottom of a crowded ghat, or gangs of men shouting and slapping at cows to nudge them along as they shoulder a shroud-wrapped body on a bamboo litter, bumping you abruptly out of their way as they pass. The kaleidoscope of colors, sounds, and scenes will overwhelm you—and will stay with you, too."

"‘Death in Kashi is death known and faced’
In her book Banares: City of Light, scholar Diana Eck writes, “ Death in Kashi (a common name for Varanasi) is not a feared death, for here the ordinary God of Death, frightful Yama, has no jurisdiction. Death in Kashi is death known and faced, transformed and transcended.” People, even those literally awaiting their own deaths, seem happy in Varanasi. Especially if you’re coming from a Western culture that, famously, denies and distances itself from death, the city takes that gap and bulldozes you with it. And once you lift your head up again, you realize that death, in the context of the whole cycle of life that Varanasi represents, isn’t something to fear after all."


Edited by HamHead (08/15/20 08:47 AM)


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26881415 - 08/15/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I won't go through the list of vaccine additives, not adjuvants as they are inactive (did not read wall of copy pasta from insane antivaxxer site).  Thimersol, only in flu shot and each shot contains the equivalent mercury in 3 OZ of Tuna.

MSG...I hope for your sake you don't like cooking.  MSG is produced naturally in cooked foods.  It is simply the sodium salt of glutamic acid, the compound widely regarded as imparting the flavor of Umami to foods.  Yes, too much at once is bad, and some people (me) develop migraines if too much is consumed in a short period.

GMO Viruses... just lol, very few vaccines use live virus and those that do use attenuated virus.

Peanut oil/growth mediums/cultured cell lines (immortalized)-- All of these are removed utilizing various techniques before the final vaccine is reconstituted and packaged.  The only one they have trouble removing is albumin, and alternatively made vaccines for same condition not made in chicken eggs exist.


As far as adjuvants go,ssRNA/DNA that induces an increased t-cell response is added to lots of vaccines given to billions of people and proven to be safe.Complication rates for all vaccines are in the 1 in 1,000,000 range.  Things more likely to happen to you than these complications;

Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2018
Cause of Death Odds of Dying
Heart disease 1 in 6
Cancer 1 in 7
All preventable causes of death 1 in 25
Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 26
Suicide 1 in 86
Opioid OD 1 in 98
Auto Accident 1 in 106
Fall 1 in 111
Gun assault 1 in 298
Pedestrian Incident 1 in 541
Motorcyclist 1 in 890
Drowning 1 in 1,121
Fire or Smoke 1 in 1,399
Choking on Food 1 in 2,618
Bicyclist 1 in 4,060
Sunstroke 1 in 7,770
Accidental gun discharge 1 in 9,077
Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 12,484
Sharp objects 1 in 29,483
Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 45,186
Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 53,989
Cataclysmic Storm 1 in 54,699
Dog attack 1 in 118,776
Lightning 1 in 180,746

Source: National Safety Council estimates based on data from National Center for Health Statistics—Mortality Data for 2018, as compiled from data provided by the 57 vital statistics jurisdictions through the Vital Statistics Cooperative Program.  Population and life expectancy data are from the U.S. Census Bureau. Deaths are classified on the basis of the 10th Revision of the World Health Organization’s “The International Classification of Diseases” (ICD). Numbers following titles refer to External Cause of Morbidity and Mortality classifications in ICD-10.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26881470 - 08/15/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:gameover:


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
    #26881571 - 08/15/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I won't go through the list of vaccine additives, not adjuvants as they are inactive

As far as adjuvants go.




Why not go through that list? It's extensive.

Let's start with aluminum.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14737175.2014.915745

Seems legit to me. Here's some paste.

Journal
Expert Review of Neurotherapeutics
Volume 14, 2014 - Issue 6

Editorial
What is the risk of aluminium as a neurotoxin?
Christopher Exley
Pages 589-591 | Published online: 30 Apr 2014
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https://doi.org/10.1586/14737175.2014.915745

The neurotoxicity of aluminium has been demonstrated in humans, animal models and in tissue and cell culture [1]. While aluminium’s neurotoxicity is incontrovertible, it is much more difficult to understand the risk that this neurotoxin poses to human health. Aluminium is neurotoxic because it possesses an extensive biochemical toolkit and because neurons are predisposed by their longevity toward its intracellular accumulation up to and beyond toxic thresholds [2]. Aluminium is neurotoxic as the establishment of toxicity thresholds can result in neuronal dysfunction, neurodegeneration and ultimately neuronal cell death through a continuum of disruptive events from classical apoptosis through to sudden and violent necrosis [3]. The likely principal antagonist in all such events is Al3+ (aq) and its mechanism of action will involve numbers of different agents or intermediates. For example, we know that aluminium is a potent pro-oxidant, its interaction with the superoxide radical anion establishing, fuelling and sustaining redox cycles. The potency of these effects are all the more significant in that the enhanced formation of reactive oxygen species may be accelerated at sites which are distinct and divorced from locations housing the cell’s anti-oxidant machinery. For example, aluminium sinks such as the extracellular senile plaques of Aβ42 and the intracellular chromatin of neuronal nuclei are both likely targets of aluminium-driven oxidative damage. Aluminium is an excitotoxin and a number of mechanisms have been described, whereby aluminium induces elevated and sustained levels of intracellular Ca2+ with significant implications not only for cellular energy metabolism, but also uncontrolled phosphorylation of biomolecules. The presence of biologically reactive aluminium imposes an immediate energy requirement upon a neuron, whether simply because of the need to produce more Ca2+-buffering proteins or because of the requirement to clean-up the consequences of hyperphosphorylation, for example, through autophagosomal activities. Aluminium is a mutagen and the phosphate-rich environment of the nucleus predisposes it to the accumulation of aluminium and subsequent alterations in the expression of genetic materials. The latter may be subtle but sufficient to bring about significant alterations in neuronal physiology over extended time periods. Aluminium is, of course, a powerful immunogen, being the preferred adjuvant in vaccination and immunotherapy. This activity as an adjuvant, and concomitantly as an antigen, at injection sites in skin or muscle must also be considered for focal accumulations of aluminium within the CNS and such reactivity may underlie aluminium’s suggested roles in autoimmunity."

Oh jeez, can someone with a Forbes degree translate this for me?

I read, "neurotoxicity". What does that mean to you?

And I'm glad you brough up mercury. Tough to find "antivax" studies, many doctors simply say it's safe.

Here's more paste. Did you eat it as a child? I heard it's safer than glue or epoxy.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines/japan-leads-the-way-no-vaccine-mandates-and-no-mmr-vaccine-healthier-children/

APRIL 23, 2019
Japan Leads the Way: No Vaccine Mandates and No MMR Vaccine = Healthier Children



"A central tenet of a free and democratic society is the freedom to make informed decisions about medical interventions that carry serious potential risks. This includes the right to be apprised of benefits and risks—and the ability to say no. The Nuremberg Code of ethics established the necessity of informed consent without “any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion.” Forcing the MMR vaccine, or any other vaccine, on those who are uninformed or who do not consent represents nothing less than medical tyranny."


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26881730 - 08/15/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Let's start with



Woman. You really, really, really need a woman.


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