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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26880622 - 08/14/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26880643 - 08/14/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean isn't it the opposite? Its more cost effective to execute prisoners rather than house them for life? Not arguing for the death penalty by any means, just addressing the cost issue




https://www.thebalance.com/comparing-the-costs-of-death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-4689874

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A Susquehanna University report found that, on average, across all 50 states, a death row inmate costs $1.12 million more than a general population inmate.




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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #26880657 - 08/14/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

wait what? that bitch is still alive? I thought i watched her public execution by Tulsi Gabbard at the Dem debates, I can only wonder why they didn't pick that woman of color for VP.:confused:


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Beeper]
    #26880698 - 08/14/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

At least 4% of people on death row are likely innocent. Idk about you but I wouldn’t feel comfortable picking at least 4 random people out of 100 to die just because they might’ve done something heinous.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26880715 - 08/14/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean i guess. More people die on death row awaiting execution than actually die of execution




Yes its costly and wasteful



I mean isn't it the opposite? Its more cost effective to execute prisoners rather than house them for life? Not arguing for the death penalty by any means, just addressing the cost issue




But you just said most people die on death row

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I give trump a 100% chance to win the next election. If you look at where Clinton was polling at this point, and you compare it to how biden is doing, biden is doing significantly worse than clinton and clinton lost.

If you subtract where clinton was on election day from where the polls had her at this point, that'll give you the difference between what the polls said vs. reality. If you then subtract that number from Biden's current figures, you'll see he's losing in a landslide.




He will win. I don't want him to but look at his competition. Its a done deal
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I mean isn't it the opposite? Its more cost effective to execute prisoners rather than house them for life? Not arguing for the death penalty by any means, just addressing the cost issue




https://www.thebalance.com/comparing-the-costs-of-death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-4689874

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A Susquehanna University report found that, on average, across all 50 states, a death row inmate costs $1.12 million more than a general population inmate.







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At least 4% of people on death row are likely innocent. Idk about you but I wouldn’t feel comfortable picking at least 4 random people out of 100 to die just because they might’ve done something heinous.




How much do all those appeals cost?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26880741 - 08/14/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I give trump a 100% chance to win the next election. If you look at where Clinton was polling at this point, and you compare it to how biden is doing, biden is doing significantly worse than clinton and clinton lost.

If you subtract where clinton was on election day from where the polls had her at this point, that'll give you the difference between what the polls said vs. reality. If you then subtract that number from Biden's current figures, you'll see he's losing in a landslide.




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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26880754 - 08/14/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think the debates are going to turn this around. Sure Biden's a blithering idiot, but so is Trump (a lot of it's just his psychological issues), but nobody is blaming Biden for what's happening right now, and a majority blame Trump.

Trump's best chance would be to dump Pence, and find someone less dumb than Sarah Palin.

If the corona thing had improved, it would have changed a lot. But there's good news one day and the more bad news the next day.



Tnat is true, but there's a lot of time between now and November, a lot could change.

Why do you feel that dropping mike pence would be in trump's best interest? I thought for most part people liked pence.  At least where im from people seem to like him and view him as pretty competent


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26880777 - 08/14/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26880782 - 08/14/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I got to stop arguing politics



I don't want to end up being like one of these people :lol:


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel]
    #26880795 - 08/14/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26880927 - 08/15/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kamela was probably the worse choice Biden could have chosen.

Biden was also a horrible choice, but I digress..

Democrats have pretty much given Trump another term.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Ultishrum]
    #26880978 - 08/15/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kamela was probably the worse choice Biden could have chosen.

Biden was also a horrible choice, but I digress..

Democrats have pretty much given Trump another term.



Republican voters against Trump, the Lincoln project and many other Republican groups would disagree


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel]
    #26881025 - 08/15/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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My main issue is any President that does not have an issue with such policies as prisons and finance of such things and policies regarding prisoners should not be eligible to be President. I hate Trump deeply but he is clear on that he totally 100% supports the death penalty and does not want it removed and if possible would put it as top priority for all states to strongly re enforce it.

I agree some things are of much more immediate concern.




I wouldn't say that other things are of "much more immediate concern", necessarily. We all have different interests, and we all have issues that are going to subjectively vary in their degrees of importance. I think it's best to focus on the issues you're the most passionate about, the ones that you're actually willing to put research into, and work from there.

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Still anyone that wants to take Trump on is asking to get their ass handed to him. He is so manipulative and powerful I almost imagine he would try and amend the constitution to allow himself a 3rd term if possible. Most Presidents are not even that retarded. Or are they? Maybe in private they all want to rewrite the constitution. Trump is very boastful and I am surprised he has not put this on his list of things to do.




I think one flaw with the American democracy is that it's so lenient and the constitution is so flexible that it's conceivable for a well-orchestrated effort to use the democratic system to basically outlaw democracy. It's unlikely, but it's still possible.

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On the other hand you have Biden opposing him. I knew of the 2 dementia candidates Biden and Bernie Sanders one would become the next major running party official. I feel any dementia ridden candidate has a very low chance against Trump despite Trump's lowering popularity he is extremely manipulative and uses his press to gain popularity and even his bad press is something he uses to turn towards his advantage. He gains followers by insulting retards that try and expose him and gains popularity while ruining peoples credibility.




Have you watched any of Trump's speeches lately? Dude definitely has some sort of cognitive issue. Don't get me wrong, Biden does as well, but Trump seems pretty dementia-ridden as well. Dude was so insecure about it that he bragged about passing a dementia test for mainstream media multiple times.

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So Biden's weak stance on policies like "the death penalty" which many people may overlook during these horrific times of economic distress and pandemic hardship to me signifies even more he is looking for weak minded votes based on him wanting to capture anyone who simply does not like Trump.




I am also very frustrated with the fact that so much of Leftist politics in the U.S. has become less about specific policies and more about defeating Trump.

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I personally hate Trump. I feel like anybody with half a brain would vote against him. He is a moron. But this is his persona. He is a smart manipulative motherfucker. He gets people to think of him as a child then at the last minute pulls out a lot of shit a smart person would say and wins peoples hearts and minds. Retarded peoples hearts and minds of course.




He's literally a reality T.V. show star pretending to be president, and his cabinet members are the ones with all the real power who are pulling all the strings. They have a symbiotic relationship with him: they stroke his ego and make him feel like a big, powerful president, and he facilitates policies that serve their economic interests. It's beyond fucked.


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But Biden is fucked if he thinks his own Democrats won't turn on him. So if I were Biden I would have a strong stance on the death penalty.




I think it's in Biden's best interest to come across as neutral as possible at this point. He has to maintain enough status-quo appearance that he won't seem like an extremist, while also seeming less bigoted and rude than Trump if he wants to win the election.

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:shrug: you know the overconfidence on the left side is the weakness. Real talk man. I hate Trump but he is going to win if Biden just keeps acting like "a good person" expecting it to matter when elections come up. He needs to lie better. He needs to make something up. He needs to pretend like he has a stance on the death penalty. I mean its sad and politics are sad but a candidate like Trump who has an opinion will win against Biden if Biden doesn't.




I'm planning on voting for Biden, but I am definitely not overconfident in him. I fully recognize that the battle ain't over until it's over, and we, as Democrats, need to make sure that we do everything he can to support him. It's not going to be an automatic victory.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Ultishrum]
    #26881048 - 08/15/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Joe Biden’s Election Odds Tumble Following Kamala Harris VP Selection: Trump Closes Gap In Presidential Betting Markets
Forbes
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Kamela was probably the worse choice Biden could have chosen.

Biden was also a horrible choice, but I digress..

Democrats have pretty much given Trump another term.




This is completely fucking absurd.

First of all, how many people bet on elections, compared to Football. Less than one thousandth.

Second, nobody counts except real betters. Small betters are as likely as not to be born losers. Show me how many people have bet tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands on Trump. You can't, so there is absolutely no evidence where the smart money is going.

Biden, the imbecile, was double digits ahead before he picked Harris, and since then all the news is good.

But if you think your right and I'm wrong, send me a pm for a friendly little wager. Because in all these months since I decided that Biden can't lose to Trump, only two people have come forward.

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26881162 - 08/15/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Wny are you guys so worried about the death penalty anyway?  They execute so few people thats really not worth worrying about  :lol:



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I mean i guess. More people die on death row awaiting execution than actually die of execution




Costs more to keep people people on death row than it does to keep them in general pop, the endless appeals drag the victims’ families through it all again & again.....then there’s the punishment aspect. They’ll die eventually. By executing them, we assume that death is a punishment. But what if it’s not? Then they just got off easy. Better to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives to stew in what they did & the fact that they’ll never taste freedom again then to give them an easy out.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26881625 - 08/15/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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imachavel said:
My main issue is any President that does not have an issue with such policies as prisons and finance of such things and policies regarding prisoners should not be eligible to be President. I hate Trump deeply but he is clear on that he totally 100% supports the death penalty and does not want it removed and if possible would put it as top priority for all states to strongly re enforce it.

I agree some things are of much more immediate concern.




I wouldn't say that other things are of "much more immediate concern", necessarily. We all have different interests, and we all have issues that are going to subjectively vary in their degrees of importance. I think it's best to focus on the issues you're the most passionate about, the ones that you're actually willing to put research into, and work from there.

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imachavel said:
Still anyone that wants to take Trump on is asking to get their ass handed to him. He is so manipulative and powerful I almost imagine he would try and amend the constitution to allow himself a 3rd term if possible. Most Presidents are not even that retarded. Or are they? Maybe in private they all want to rewrite the constitution. Trump is very boastful and I am surprised he has not put this on his list of things to do.




I think one flaw with the American democracy is that it's so lenient and the constitution is so flexible that it's conceivable for a well-orchestrated effort to use the democratic system to basically outlaw democracy. It's unlikely, but it's still possible.

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imachavel said:
On the other hand you have Biden opposing him. I knew of the 2 dementia candidates Biden and Bernie Sanders one would become the next major running party official. I feel any dementia ridden candidate has a very low chance against Trump despite Trump's lowering popularity he is extremely manipulative and uses his press to gain popularity and even his bad press is something he uses to turn towards his advantage. He gains followers by insulting retards that try and expose him and gains popularity while ruining peoples credibility.




Have you watched any of Trump's speeches lately? Dude definitely has some sort of cognitive issue. Don't get me wrong, Biden does as well, but Trump seems pretty dementia-ridden as well. Dude was so insecure about it that he bragged about passing a dementia test for mainstream media multiple times.

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imachavel said:
So Biden's weak stance on policies like "the death penalty" which many people may overlook during these horrific times of economic distress and pandemic hardship to me signifies even more he is looking for weak minded votes based on him wanting to capture anyone who simply does not like Trump.




I am also very frustrated with the fact that so much of Leftist politics in the U.S. has become less about specific policies and more about defeating Trump.

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imachavel said:
I personally hate Trump. I feel like anybody with half a brain would vote against him. He is a moron. But this is his persona. He is a smart manipulative motherfucker. He gets people to think of him as a child then at the last minute pulls out a lot of shit a smart person would say and wins peoples hearts and minds. Retarded peoples hearts and minds of course.




He's literally a reality T.V. show star pretending to be president, and his cabinet members are the ones with all the real power who are pulling all the strings. They have a symbiotic relationship with him: they stroke his ego and make him feel like a big, powerful president, and he facilitates policies that serve their economic interests. It's beyond fucked.


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imachavel said:
But Biden is fucked if he thinks his own Democrats won't turn on him. So if I were Biden I would have a strong stance on the death penalty.




I think it's in Biden's best interest to come across as neutral as possible at this point. He has to maintain enough status-quo appearance that he won't seem like an extremist, while also seeming less bigoted and rude than Trump if he wants to win the election.

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:shrug: you know the overconfidence on the left side is the weakness. Real talk man. I hate Trump but he is going to win if Biden just keeps acting like "a good person" expecting it to matter when elections come up. He needs to lie better. He needs to make something up. He needs to pretend like he has a stance on the death penalty. I mean its sad and politics are sad but a candidate like Trump who has an opinion will win against Biden if Biden doesn't.




I'm planning on voting for Biden, but I am definitely not overconfident in him. I fully recognize that the battle ain't over until it's over, and we, as Democrats, need to make sure that we do everything he can to support him. It's not going to be an automatic victory.




To be totally honest it beats me why I even argue the specifics of politics anymore. Most political groups are people who just go to protests and start large fist fights with each other and claim every bad issue that ever existed is based on what the other candidate is messing up and what their candidate is trying to fix.

I feel like Biden is like the Union and Trump is like the Confederacy and there is a huge civil war going on and each side one side says "we are trying to free the slaves" then the other side is like "you don't care about the slaves it is just an excuse to invade us. We secede." Then one side is like "well you can't secede. We are invading. Submit to the Union." Then the confederates are like "what jobs will you give these niggers anyway? We will fight until you allow us to secede." Then the Union is like "the niggers will fight for us to free the other niggers" and its obvious none of what anyone is doing is about helping the slaves.

So you have BLM which supports Biden then all lives matter which supports Trump but mixed in with BLM is Antifa but mixed in with Trump supporters are Proud Boys and Skin Heads. Then they go fist fight in the street claiming their candidate is about equality and saving the economy. Both claim the other side is against freedom.

To be honest what is the difference between Trump and Biden? Both support big business. Both want policies that support super white rich people and destroy minorities. Both will see a riot happen on the day of their inauguration. Neither cares about covid patients or the economy. If Biden wins the Proud Boys will storm Washington DC and try and burn it to the ground. If Trump wins Antifa will storm DC and try and burn it to the ground.

Why take sides in what is basically going to be a small civil war supporting candidates that do not care for people any more then the Union or Confederacy cared for the slaves? If the Confederacy won the slaves were going to continue being slaves working for no money. If the Union won the slaves would be freed with no promise of jobs and would face 100 years of racism and inequality and some ways were better off being slaves. The Union and Confederacy fought for their own agenda and the slaves were a consequential by product to get troops riled up with morale to go and fight even harder but never did the slaves actually matter any more then a side issue to the main agenda being fought over which was control of land and politics to both sides.






So why should I vote in this mess? For either party? It would be a total insult towards everything I stand for which is the true definition of Communism which is a community for all or true Democracy which is a truly fair and equal society in terms of rights and economic welfare where everyone has an equal say. You get what I am saying?

As far as I can tell both candidates represent the same shit except one is representing the left and the other is representing the right. Trump does not mind having quite a few thousand skin heads represent his cause and Biden does not mind having the Black Panther party represent his cause both parties are seeing massive city to city street fights and riots defend each ones cause. It is disgusting to me that either candidate will win an election this year.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26881672 - 08/15/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You should vote anyway; write in none of the above to express your dissatisfaction with the presented options. That’s my move.


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    #26881681 - 08/15/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26881733 - 08/15/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Or vote third party:shrug:




No 3rd party suits me this year. Libertarians are almost nonexistent at this point

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You should vote anyway; write in none of the above to express your dissatisfaction with the presented options. That’s my move.




I should. I should vote "no war mongers"

https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-blasts-nypd-unions-trump-endorsement/amp/

Not that I should keep track anymore voicing my opinion that I am dissatisfied with all the current war pigs in power at the moment but I see Biden's chances going seriously downhill at this point the entire NYPD endorses Trump.

Living in NY for a bit myself I see all the NYC hipsters who are totally anti Trump being totally pissed and dissatisfied about this and probably having severe issues with the NYCPD at this point but it does seem that Trump is playing on the medias perception that all of Biden's supporters are totally for de fund the police and is feeding the paranoia that America has that with Biden as President we will live in a police less country and anarchy will reign.

The same media that tried to discredit Trump as being such a bad guy is now fueling the fire to help him win. Didn't I say it? Didn't I say 4 months ago that all the bad attention Trump is getting is going to get him a win when the same rat filled media corporations that painted him as incompetent during the beginning of the covid pandemic are going to fuel the same fire burn his opponent down that they used to try and burn him down?

I so see this being a for sure win for Trump. We have to see. But I said it. Not that it matters. I bet no money on it. But I see 4 more years of Trump. Come election day the losing side is going to burn down a major city just like they did in LA when the Rodney King beaters were acquitted. No one wants to lose this year. I would lock and load with your doors and windows shut tight this election season.

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel]
    #26881753 - 08/15/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So why should I vote in this mess? For either party? It would be a total insult towards everything I stand for which is the true definition of Communism which is a community for all or true Democracy which is a truly fair and equal society in terms of rights and economic welfare where everyone has an equal say. You get what I am saying?




I think if you value democracy, you should still vote. I'm not saying democracy is a flawless system (it isn't), but if you think it has some sort of value, then I think participating in it validates it. I'm also not saying that our system is the best form of democracy (it isn't - it's being exploited by billionaire capitalists). However, if we, the people, give up on democracy as a whole because of the flaws in the system, I think we're left with the question of what's going to replace that system, and the idea honestly sends shivers down my spine.

I know voting is lame. It sucks, and it doesn't feel like any of the mainstream candidates support the interests of the working class. You and I are on the same page about that. Still, I think the moment we give up faith in our democratic institutions, flawed as they may be, is the moment we submit to whatever powers are already in place.


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