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InvisibleRevemu
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Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders
    #26879461 - 08/14/20 01:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Updated View on the Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders

Hey guys, yesterday I came through this article which suggests:

"Here, we synthesize recent information and speculate on the possibility that this abnormal neuroplasticity is caused by hyperactivity of endogenous N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT). The pineal gland was proposed as the source of DMT in the brain and therefore, our assumption is that besides melatonin deficiency, pineal dysfunction might also play a part in the development of autism through abnormal metabolism of DMT"

I know this is article is a year old and I didn't encounter it posted here, so I'm curious about your opinion so feel free to comment here.

There is so little known about our Pineal gland, I heard from it first in a movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where they took something 'pineal-gland-extraction".

There are some stating Pineal Gland can be decalcified by DMT which is a natural way of how our brains behave.

Honestly I don't believe this, but I keep the chances on because it nor the opposite hasn't been proven yet.

So back on topic it suggests that people who 'suffers' from autism has increased DMT levels in their pineal gland, and as we know there are some autists who can use their brain as an instant calculator for example which is not really a bad thing. So this is all related to DMT and pineal gland, how strange is it?!


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: Revemu]
    #26879506 - 08/14/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Autism is a genetic disorder. It has nothing to do with DMT or the pineal gland.


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: nooneman]
    #26879518 - 08/14/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

the relationship of DMT to pineal is largely debunked hooey.
the matter of endogenous DMT altogether has been largely debunked.

still it remains a touch stone for so many people, and has been circulating since the 1960's when they had no clue either.


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26879527 - 08/14/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for clearing it up guys

Yeah I mentioned they are _speculating_ in the article,
I checked my link and it does not work so I just put in here without a href

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2019.00037/full

I have no idea about this that's why I'm asking here, I'm no doctor or anything...

Article: The pineal gland was proposed as the source of DMT in the brain and therefore, our assumption is that besides melatonin deficiency, pineal dysfunction might also play a part in the development of autism through abnormal metabolism of DMT.

So is this a total bunk?
Or by saying 'proposed' they don't actually back it up, might be a bunk?


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26879597 - 08/14/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
the relationship of DMT to pineal is largely debunked hooey.
the matter of endogenous DMT altogether has been largely debunked.

still it remains a touch stone for so many people, and has been circulating since the 1960's when they had no clue either.




Endogenous DMT has not been debunked, it's true it's an endogenous compound and is natural to the body. What's not true or not yet proven is that any reasonable level can be induced and experienced.


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: Sabnock]
    #26879598 - 08/14/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As for the DMT and Autism connection, naw, imo. DMT makes me feel more normal, i have Autism (high functioning/aspergers).


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: Sabnock]
    #26879620 - 08/14/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

adrenochrome!!!

That shit makes pure Mescaline seem like ginger beer man.


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: Graymaster]
    #26879710 - 08/14/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

yes tiny amounts of DMT exist in the body, less than 1000th of a dose, and nowhere is it accumulated or produced in quantities necessary to transcend normal experiencing.  We have a lot more endogenous Acetone in the body than DMT but that does not mean we are cleaning solutions.

the pineal DMT myth is a non-factual distraction that will only lead to scientific clownsmanship in the lab when taken seriously.

https://entheonation.com/blog/dmt-pineal-gland/
https://www.samwoolfe.com/2017/09/is-dmt-really-produced-in-pineal-gland.html

remember when someone makes up an idea, even if false, if it is reported on by another party, well then people think it has merit.
that is supposed to explain why Trump is in the oval office, and how, by lying through conspiracy reportage, he intends to stay there.


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26879721 - 08/14/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

we can't have things like that

prevent things like that


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26879725 - 08/14/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
yes tiny amounts of DMT exist in the body, less than 1000th of a dose, and nowhere is it accumulated or produced in quantities necessary to transcend normal experiencing.  We have a lot more endogenous Acetone in the body than DMT but that does not mean we are cleaning solutions.

the pineal DMT myth is a non-factual distraction that will only lead to scientific clownsmanship in the lab when taken seriously.

https://entheonation.com/blog/dmt-pineal-gland/
https://www.samwoolfe.com/2017/09/is-dmt-really-produced-in-pineal-gland.html

remember when someone makes up an idea, even if false, if it is reported on by another party, well then people think it has merit.
that is supposed to explain why Trump is in the oval office, and how, by lying through conspiracy reportage, he intends to stay there.




Yeah idc about the pineal thing, i'm just saying that some people think DMT is absolutely not endogenous but it is, and it certainly feels endogenous too, feels like a neurotransmitter/neuromodulator rather than a drug ime. I'm also interested in other trace amines as well.


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: Sabnock]
    #26880478 - 08/14/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Where did you get 1/1000 of a dose from? They have found dmt in lab mice but not associated with the pineal. Human studies are not allowed yet. Morales lol or w/e.


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26881079 - 08/15/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9086013/fpart/1/vc/1
covers the matter pretty much
no big news in 11 years since then


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Re: Relation of the Pineal Gland to Autism Spectrum Disorders [Re: nooneman]
    #26881115 - 08/15/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
Autism is a genetic disorder. It has nothing to do with DMT or the pineal gland.



source?
I thought it was more complicated than that. Developmental factors, environmental, genetic. One theory recently was that it develops kind of like epilepsy, where the elimination of useless connections in the brain doesn't work.


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