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Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip
#26879310 - 08/13/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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How common is this?
I've realised I've been on an LSD trip since I accidently took it with MDMA in 2006, only I've had depressions from physiological problems.
Can you permanently turn off the filter? I go out into a strange world when it's a good day...
Tell me more. Anecdotes, subculture opinions, your opinion / experience.
Thanks! Yes I'm serious. No I don't want people to interpet this as a misunderstanding of propaganda. 
Love, Dan
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: lostintimenspc]
#26879490 - 08/14/20 02:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sure, I don't see why not. A lot of the human brain's CPU is devoted to our filters and due to neural plasticity one can disable them. Sometimes when I meditate I'll be in a similar state of mind for the rest of the day. Powerful meditators are known throughout history to have knocked down so many perceptual filters that they develop superhuman abilities such as telekinesis or the ability to perceive spirits. The list is long, in Pali they're called Siddhis and are basically considered a (positive) side effect of a dedicated meditation practice.
Technically, a psychiatrist would call what you're experiencing HPPD. I had it for a couple years where I'd see "static" and checkered patterns would warp if I looked at them. It went away one day after meditating during an acid trip. If it doesn't affect you negatively it's not really a big deal.
If you're walking around "open" all the time though you'd might want to look into psychic hygiene / self defense techniques if you haven't already. You may unintentionally be absorbing emotions from people around you.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: Rapjack] 5
#26879497 - 08/14/20 02:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26879514 - 08/14/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Source: Vipassana school of meditation, started circa 1000 BC and practiced by the Buddha. Sounds weird but there's a lot more to reality than what a person can normally perceive and the mind / brain can be extremely powerful. But that's not even the point of it, in the end it's all about developing that unshakable inner peace.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: Rapjack] 3
#26879693 - 08/14/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No; I really do not think that you can be stoned forever, nor do I believe anything rapjack said about filters, but his attitude is right even if the facts are wrong.
Aldous Huxley started the METAPHOR about filters, and as a metaphor it is pretty good, let us all develop poetic possibilities, but, scientifically, consciousness is poorly understood though we do know there is no physical filter in the brain that everything must go through or otherwise be experienced as if tripping. the closest thing is the Thalamus - a gateway neural node from senses to brain (it does host longer signal pulse trains while stoned than not - it may not be responsible for sensory extension, but is a feedback candidate). there is also the reticular formation in the medulla oblongata which can disconnect the sleeper from the spinal chord - minimizing body disturbances and movement while in FILTER MODE - this is not affected by hallucinogens.
there are preoccupations, and while preoccupied with dross, we miss a lot of ordinary sparkle: there are habits, and they are chockablock - this is commonly referred to as ego and that is immediately mis-understandable. If you need to call it FILTER then you are vastly under-observing the nature of associative memory and habit.
what the op has managed to do is to create a habit that obsesses with some of the trappings of his 'trip' - what he has collected and recycled is mummified mental trip debris (associations that are not evidence of any disease, just personal experiences raised to the level of ptsd distraught).
OMG... panic! no, be aware of it and carry on with your path (vipassana)
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: redgreenvines]
#26879926 - 08/14/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rapjack the magical thinks it's magic.
When electro magnetic fields were being discovered people thought of it as on occult activity. While there are things past our ability to perceive we must demonstrate them or else we are just making things up.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26879988 - 08/14/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: Rapjack the magical thinks it's magic.
When electro magnetic fields were being discovered people thought of it as on occult activity. While there are things past our ability to perceive we must demonstrate them or else we are just making things up.
Exactly... I think there's things that humans don't normally perceive that exist, and my theory is that they're related to bioelectric signals. Things like auras, ghosts, and empaths.
The idea is if one cultivates enough inner peace they can become so present that they can start interacting with these forces, not that that's the point at all. Meditating to attempt to develop Siddhis is a fool's errand. It's just something that's been written about for thousands of years as something that just happens to some yogis or monks. I'm confident that one day we'll be able to build machines that see some of these, it'd be super cool to be able to see someone's bioelectric field on a monitor.
What I meant by the "filters" is the perceptual / cognitive noise our minds constantly create. Perhaps that's an undervaluation of associative memory or inaccurate.
I definitely came off as a space case last night, 4 AM stoner posting ftw. 😂 I promise I'm just repeating what the old monks at the meditation center told me!
Vipassana is less a path and more of a powerful tool that anyone could incorporate into theirs. It's like neural plasticity strength training. Neurologists have indeed been able to quantify the mental and physical changes with brain scans and neural autopsies of experienced meditators.
HPPD is a real condition too, it's when visual distortions continue mildly for years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder
I know quite a lot of people who were really big into their RC's back in the early 2000's that experienced this condition at some time or another. If it doesn't impair your driving or anything it's nothing to worry about.
I had it myself for a couple years which I attribute to the DOx series of analogs. One day I was meditating on a tab of acid, felt a weird static in a section of my brain. Focused on the sensation and it got more intense for a split second before going away. When I opened my eyes the static "snowfall" I was always used to seeing was gone. No more checker patterns warping either. Maybe some extreme neural plasticity?
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: Rapjack]
#26879997 - 08/14/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Manifestation is a weird concept no? It really requires work.
But as far as ghots and such go idk man. A demonstration is necessary.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26880015 - 08/14/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: Manifestation is a weird concept no? It really requires work.
But as far as ghots and such go idk man. A demonstration is necessary.
For sure, I'm a skeptic myself and can't really say or believe anything beyond my own experiences and how I internalized them. I think I've experienced some supernatural or extra sensory stuff in my life, but that's impossible to prove.
This is all theory anyway, until we can actually see it and record it all evidence is anecdotal. A very old theory with a large body of anecdotal evidence is still a theory.
Speaking of theories, I think manifestation works on the same principles. You "tune" your bioelectrical signal to where it attracts what you're looking for like a magnet.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: Rapjack]
#26880094 - 08/14/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to write something about how close you are using words that mean other than you mean to mean, but I really think you are onto something.
I'm going to try this way:
Is vipassana about neural plasticity strength training? no. but you could use those words and few will argue much. I will say that the practice of vipassana meditation involves associative repetition (like strength training - but more like bike riding where you find your balance after ~20 minutes and ride with envigoration (sometimes)) which makes new circuits (like neuroplasticity - although that term is usually for the new dedication of parts of the brain to functions that have been destroyed by tissue damage).
the new circuits are: A posture and attitude of open awareness of mental contents (sensations and thoughts) without judgement or reaction along with a continuum of 1. beginning of inhalation awareness 2. middle of inhalation awareness 3. end of inhalation awareness 4.-6. exhalation awareness
this is repeated continuously and restarted when distracted. it eventually becomes second nature as does anything which is repeated.
as trauma arises, and distractions occur, the meditator restarts the practice which attaches or associates relaxing clarity to the hurting memory and to each of its triggers. (yes the mind is plastic but 'plasticity' is not the right medical/scientific term for this ordinary associative learning process that does not involve repair of damaged tissue)
by keeping an even keel as you move through rough memories over and over the memories remain intact but become less challenging. the strong meditation heals trauma with even-mindedness and no magic, or trickery, the trigger becomes a trigger to deep calm instead of gut fear defensive behavior.
it does not prevent emotion or rough reactions from traumas that have not yet been encountered in meditation, but these too become less of a problem generally because you have learned to restart the meditation awareness of mental contents upon noticing distraction or disruption.
restarting the meditation upon noticing distraction is the most important general purpose ability that is acquired through vipassana.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: redgreenvines]
#26880413 - 08/14/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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And Siddhis are not applicable to the mundane world - only exercisable in altered states - like in lucid dreams, under the influence of certain substances, and meditative states the border on dreaming etc etc.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26880785 - 08/14/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: And Siddhis are not applicable to the mundane world - only exercisable in altered states - like in lucid dreams, under the influence of certain substances, and meditative states the border on dreaming etc etc.
That makes sense. The most believable ones I've read about have been things like astral projection or other higher states. Physical world "superpower" things tend to be more in kung fu / qi gong circles and involve projecting and manipulating yin / yang qi. I've never seen anything like that in real life so I listed telekinesis as a siddhi which is wrong... I meant the remote communication / reading thoughts thing. My brain is definitely no words good on some days.
@redgreenvines: You're right about my choice of words. I'm going to rethink my "crib notes" explanation of vipassana to be more succinct. Also, I wasn't aware of the misuse of neural plasticity. Gotta read more books on the brain and mind, get my facts straight. Your explanation of the steps was spot on. The original Pali instructions are almost a poem.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: Rapjack]
#26881086 - 08/15/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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those are best discussed in the spirituality and magic forum.
As a child, I will admit the siddhis attracted me to meditation, and some holy people still talk to me about extranormal experiences (usually telepathy or reincarnation oriented) but I just listen.
with absorption states, and psychedelics the universe is certainly a much richer experience than without.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: redgreenvines]
#26881310 - 08/15/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: those are best discussed in the spirituality and magic forum.
As a child, I will admit the siddhis attracted me to meditation, and some holy people still talk to me about extranormal experiences (usually telepathy or reincarnation oriented) but I just listen.
with absorption states, and psychedelics the universe is certainly a much richer experience than without.
True, and true! I'd love to learn more, if you wouldn't mind recommending me some books in PM.
Still waiting for OP to respond, I'm curious about his daily perception and would like more detail.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: Rapjack]
#26881629 - 08/15/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey again,
Thanks for your responses rapjack!
Things are very bright, kind of like I'm looking at reality from a different angle. The trees look like they were drawn, say, in a fairytale. Lucid as anything, fresh, alive.
Mushrooms were a bit different to this. Similar change of perspective, such that you can't tell how far away surfaces and objects really are, kind of like you've "shrunk" or "grown".
Sorry for slow response, had a weird depression.
I feel as though I'm in tune with the weather, so that I feel a deep connection to the rain and sunshine.
I had a brain injury and couldn't do much (motivation, stamina) so I meditated for many years to escape and to actually strengthen the brain it turns out. Anyway, I got better, and now I'm like this.
I accidentally took LSD in 2006. We thought it was just MDMA but an AC/DC (rock band) poster turned into a medieval town with a wizard going through, then I had a seizure, and returned. Later I watched people walk around on top of model ships and watched a porcerlain doll drip tears in the dark.
pillreports.com, before they removed the post, reported unknown substance, "probably MDA". Friends later reported it was acid, according to their sources.
Anyway, I developed a "high" sense of humor, always laughing at strange things, like impersonating crazy people.
I feel as though I've never really come down, and I like it, a lot. I think also meditation and a spiritual connection to nature (appreciation) have perhaps started a kind of magic.
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: lostintimenspc]
#26882318 - 08/15/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know, when I'm well (I injured my neck, shoulders, and brain) and that means energetic, I feel like I'm on acid all the time, there's this deep sense of connectedness and a "need to know", mysteries in music...
It's beautiful. I think it runs paralell to the meditation. I started meditation out of the blue around 22 or so, as a way to cope with an empty (bad) mind. I feel I reached samadhi or mosksha or have at least been able to, in the near past, reach states of unalloyed, unparalelled happiness, and not a stimulatory type, though I feel active during these moments.
Listening to an "acid playlist" a psybient list, I have sought places like that for years, had strange dreams about lost lands etc.
I was going down the main street and I looked at the trees and it felt like maybe everything was Lego size or that the tree was god damn fucking tall and I was as tall.
Sometimes I wonder if I can imagine an acid trip.
I also wonder, when my brain gets better, if I will just step outside into a sheer mystery.
It's its own place. It's not "hey hey I'm the mystery, or the mysterious place," it's like a surrender and a temptation, and a seduction...
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Re: Permanent access to 6th+ circuit / permanent LSD trip [Re: lostintimenspc]
#26882383 - 08/15/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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lostintimenspc said: I don't know, when I'm well (I injured my neck, shoulders, and brain) and that means energetic, I feel like I'm on acid all the time, there's this deep sense of connectedness and a "need to know", mysteries in music...
It's beautiful. I think it runs paralell to the meditation. I started meditation out of the blue around 22 or so, as a way to cope with an empty (bad) mind. I feel I reached samadhi or mosksha or have at least been able to, in the near past, reach states of unalloyed, unparalelled happiness, and not a stimulatory type, though I feel active during these moments.
Listening to an "acid playlist" a psybient list, I have sought places like that for years, had strange dreams about lost lands etc.
I was going down the main street and I looked at the trees and it felt like maybe everything was Lego size or that the tree was god damn fucking tall and I was as tall.
Sometimes I wonder if I can imagine an acid trip.
I also wonder, when my brain gets better, if I will just step outside into a sheer mystery.
It's its own place. It's not "hey hey I'm the mystery, or the mysterious place," it's like a surrender and a temptation, and a seduction...
Sounds like you've "opened" yourself up from your experiences. That's wonderful! Any visual distortions?
I forget what the Pali words are but the method of meditation I learned described those states as "bliss" and "joy". Bliss being the energetic stimulating happiness and joy referring to a calm sense of well being. Joy comes after bliss.
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