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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26878853 - 08/13/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I personally am not obsessed with death myself, my only point is that I think you're overestimating the influence of theism on it. Theists, imo, may not have, necessarily, an easier time with their mortality than others. That's all I was trying to get across.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26878902 - 08/13/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are many atheists busy living it up popping champagne bottles that are far more justified in themselves than some theists who are trying to appease a demanding lord. You're certainly correct.
But IF Donald Trump cannot be a hedon then at least the theists have god.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26878918 - 08/13/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I personally am not obsessed with death myself, my only point is that I think you're overestimating the influence of theism on it. Theists, imo, may not have, necessarily, an easier time with their mortality than others. That's all I was trying to get across.
In my opinion a relaxed state may be more easily triggered in a theist, but anxiety of any kind can be ameliorated thru drugs & counseling.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26878952 - 08/13/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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not any theists I've met although I am sure some few are saints
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: redgreenvines]
#26878980 - 08/13/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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People who regularly practice religion ime undoubtedly have a greater sense of security and general trust than those who don't on average. Being chased by a tiger or the loss of a loved one etc. will trigger the standard response, but there is simply a foundation there. They literally believe in god.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26879060 - 08/13/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some gods may have better severance packages; if you recall Jesus complained of being forsaken during his final moments.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26879081 - 08/13/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unfortunately Jesus has cornered the market and in my neck of the woods He is the only Walmart in town. But this is ultimately fine so long as He stocks some bananas and choice meats.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26879110 - 08/13/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah? I enjoy some allegorical bible content, make of it as you will, for instance 'The time of the Gentile' might coincide with Arthurian legend where a split between Arthur and Gwenevere causes unbalance. Now who will bear Gwenevere's token in the jousts?
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26879124 - 08/13/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Christ, I have no idea.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26879137 - 08/13/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some 🎶 bullet headed Saxon mother's son🎶 I guess.
♫In case of accidents he always took his mom♫ : Gwenevere
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26879146 - 08/13/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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so, you find the godly people in your neck of the woods to be pretty chill. that is a good thing.
not much fun walking on egg shells here with my unaffiliated family and friends, sometimes I think I should send them all to camp to get some religion.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: redgreenvines]
#26879153 - 08/13/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: so, you find the godly people in your neck of the woods to be pretty chill. that is a good thing.
not much fun walking on egg shells here with my unaffiliated family and friends, sometimes I think I should send them all to camp to get some religion.
Are you saying that you feel the Christ is pressuring you?
But yes, I find gods people to fairly "chill". More zealous than chill. Zeal is the greater move.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26879168 - 08/13/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Zeal makes for a commendable opponent.
"All is quiet on New Year's Day A world in white gets underway I want to be with you Be with you, night and day Nothing changes on New Year's Day On New Year's Day
I will be with you again I will be with you again
Under a blood red sky A crowd has gathered in black and white Arms entwined, the chosen few The newspapers says, says Say it's true, it's true And we can break through Though torn in two We can be one
I, I will begin again I, I will begin again
Oh, oh
Oh, oh Oh, oh Oh, oh
Oh, oh Oh, oh Oh, oh
Ah, maybe the time is right Oh, maybe tonight
I will be with you again I will be with you again
And so we're told this is the golden age And gold is the reason for the wars we wage Though I want to be with you, be with you Night and day Nothing changes On New Year's Day On New Year's Day On New Year's Day"
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26879404 - 08/13/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yellow Pants said: People who regularly practice religion ime undoubtedly have a greater sense of security and general trust than those who don't on average. Being chased by a tiger or the loss of a loved one etc. will trigger the standard response, but there is simply a foundation there. They literally believe in god.
Small people who believe in Santa Claus have a greater sense of security.
So what? That doesn't make it a good idea, to hang onto such a notion, as if it were a great spare tire.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: laughingdog]
#26879495 - 08/14/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: So what? That doesn't make it a good idea, to hang onto such a notion, as if it were a great spare tire.
If it gives you a better, happier life, why not?
All we have here is our experience, which we create. Why make it worse because someone has convinced us to?
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Forrester]
#26879513 - 08/14/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I also find that people who do not understand technology seem more jolly that people who do not have a grip on mathematics smile more that people who don't drive are happier and people who cannot spell don't give a f*ck people who disregard history believe in simpler issues and often wrong ones.
there is a pattern and religion or superstition fills the gaps
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: Forrester]
#26880007 - 08/14/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: So what? That doesn't make it a good idea, to hang onto such a notion, as if it were a great spare tire.
If it gives you a better, happier life, why not?
All we have here is our experience, which we create. Why make it worse because someone has convinced us to?
You do realize in some corner of your brain, I suppose, that the computer you are using and all the technology that makes it possible, were not invented by people, who thought stupid beliefs that made them happy were better than truth?
Seems, most of the smarter, folks figure this out, as they leave childhood behind and enter adulthood.
Of course some never want control over their own lives, and are nothing more than fodder, for the next cult leader.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: laughingdog]
#26880056 - 08/14/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: ... Seems, most of the smarter, folks figure this out, as they leave childhood behind and enter adulthood. ...
not an issue about adulthood. I was working with solid science at 9 yrs of age, and persecuted for it. eg. having explained to my father that footsteps in snow in the sun become ice due to pressure and heat and re-freezing (which I knew because I watched it happen) he declared that I am repeating some nonsense I had read as he rushed off to work or a floozy dame.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: redgreenvines]
#26880125 - 08/14/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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sorry about your dad, mine had some very serious faults too.
childhood is often associated, with false beliefs not just Santa Claus, but also fairies, elves, and trolls to say nothing of fairy tales
and growing up, is often associated, with facing the reality that one must do, what one doesn't like: homework and chores
and being an adult with even more illusions being shattered, starting with paying bills and taxes. And often really difficult stuff like divorce, and death of parents.
hopefully somewhere in the process, of growing up, reason begins to be seen as an ally and not an enemy.
But as you point out everyone grows up in slightly different circumstances, and everyone is different.
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Re: Theism as a potentially advisable move [Re: laughingdog]
#26880198 - 08/14/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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that's funny, what I am saying is that a scientific bent is not connected to adulthood.
caring about what is really happening starts early, and is usually frustrated by the inanity (often theistic inanity) of adults.
I am saying the opposite of you WRT growing up and being adult. Reality is quite pressing when you are a child unless adults interfere - which is sometimes a good thing, though often tainted.
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