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I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. 2
#26877943 - 08/13/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was talking with his spirit, when he said:
"We had this heatwave for 2 weeks and I was getting dehydrated, but all I did was drink strong whiskey-colas because of the pain of my illness. This caused my ALS to get a particularly strong paralysis reaction, like I used to have, but this time it struck my heart. So, entirely without realizing or wanting it, indirectly I have drank myself to death. Tell this to people with alcohol issues."
It makes perfect toxicological sense. Alcohol did cause paralysis attacks in him because of his ALS, theres a 2 week 90+F heatwave, he had a diuretic, he indeed drank nothing but strong whiskey colas while sweating behind the fan on the day before he died, alcohol enhances dehydration.. It is that. Alcohol was the driving factor that cut his life shut and put the lid on his coffin, for his relatives to screw in place before surrendering him to the fire.
Heed this.
Alcohol kills.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante] 3
#26877985 - 08/13/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ironic one of the most lethal drugs is also the most globally accepted. Terrible Goddess, alcohol. Sorry for your loss dude <3
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: GreenHorns]
#26878025 - 08/13/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought this was going to be a 1 guy 1 cup thread, but with bottles.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#26878028 - 08/13/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: I thought this was going to be a 1 guy 1 cup thread, but with bottles.
Hold my beer...
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante]
#26878040 - 08/13/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My gaming buddy who killed himself had definitely been drinking into the morning hours.
I just tried looking up his suicide note that the PD released and ended up finding out that they tasered him while he had the gun drawn to his mouth... that was not in the police report that I read. Fuuuuuck cops
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante] 1
#26878051 - 08/13/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: I was talking with his spirit, when he said:
"We had this heatwave for 2 weeks and I was getting dehydrated, but all I did was drink strong whiskey-colas because of the pain of my illness. This caused my ALS to get a particularly strong paralysis reaction, like I used to have, but this time it struck my heart. So, entirely without realizing or wanting it, indirectly I have drank myself to death. Tell this to people with alcohol issues."
It makes perfect toxicological sense. Alcohol did cause paralysis attacks in him because of his ALS, theres a 2 week 90+F heatwave, he had a diuretic, he indeed drank nothing but strong whiskey colas while sweating behind the fan on the day before he died, alcohol enhances dehydration.. It is that. Alcohol was the driving factor that cut his life shut and put the lid on his coffin, for his relatives to screw in place before surrendering him to the fire.
Heed this.
Alcohol kills.
1) You were not speaking with his spirit 2) You imagine it to be alcohol 3) Talk to the coroner for the real answer
I'm sorry for your loss but you have to stick to reality.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Patlal] 1
#26878063 - 08/13/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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Asante said: I was talking with his spirit, when he said:
"We had this heatwave for 2 weeks and I was getting dehydrated, but all I did was drink strong whiskey-colas because of the pain of my illness. This caused my ALS to get a particularly strong paralysis reaction, like I used to have, but this time it struck my heart. So, entirely without realizing or wanting it, indirectly I have drank myself to death. Tell this to people with alcohol issues."
It makes perfect toxicological sense. Alcohol did cause paralysis attacks in him because of his ALS, theres a 2 week 90+F heatwave, he had a diuretic, he indeed drank nothing but strong whiskey colas while sweating behind the fan on the day before he died, alcohol enhances dehydration.. It is that. Alcohol was the driving factor that cut his life shut and put the lid on his coffin, for his relatives to screw in place before surrendering him to the fire.
Heed this.
Alcohol kills.
1) You were not speaking with his spirit 2) You imagine it to be alcohol 3) Talk to the coroner for the real answer
I'm sorry for your loss but you have to stick to reality.
1) You don't know that 2) It is extremely likely to be the precipitating factor given the set of variables. 3) The coroner would concur. Alcohol did cause paralysis events in him due to his ALS and dehydration would make that worse. The observed replenishing of dehydration with strong whiskey cola would worsen both the dehydration and the tendency to have a paralysis attack. His cause of death was paralysis of the heart.
I'm not ignorant of the factors involved Patlal. The spirit origins do not subtract from the medical sense the story makes.
Let me turn it around for you, given that alcohol precipitated paralysis vattacks in him because of his ALS, wouldn't you deem it highly liking that drinking strong alcohol exceptionally excesssively during a heatwave in wh8ich he was dehydrated was a factor in what happened?
If you don't have the medical knowledge, feel free to say "I don't know".
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante] 1
#26878098 - 08/13/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante, does that change how you feel about the death? I'm only asking cos similar thing happened with my father. Recently I found out exactly what killed him. But it still does not change how I feel one bit....
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26878128 - 08/13/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: Asante, does that change how you feel about the death? I'm only asking cos similar thing happened with my father. Recently I found out exactly what killed him. But it still does not change how I feel one bit....
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He was full of plans for the future. He did not want to die voluntarily, that was in life and in death.
The Universe pulled the rug from under him and facilitated an euthanasia with an exceptional heatwave and several bottles of Johnny Walker.
It was a mercy killing with the Universe/God as his doctor. Something had to put an end to his misery.
Perfection.
He was a Hindu. We had discussed euthanasia before. I told him back them that I would pick the Dutch poison cup method and dose myself, to prevent the karma of killing me to rest upon a doctor's shoulders. He said he could never do that, drink a poison cup, a doctor would have to inject him, with apologies for the karma.
As it is now, the poison cup was his favorite beverage and by a combination of effects it was he who drank a poisoin cup after all, but inadvertently, so no killing or suicide karma involved.
Perfection, as I said.
That said though, I'm seriously considering, as an hommage to my deceased friend, to give the few booze bottles I have away to responsible drinkers, and to quit drinking. Drinking never posed a problem to me, never was there a year that I drank more than I could drink in a day, but it lost its appeal.
Maybe just give my few bottles away and not buy any new ones, other than beer and wine for guests.
I been playing with the thought to quit my very modest drinking altogether but now with this.. maybe I should.
There is no joy in a bottle for me. Not if I drink one and not if I drink ten.
Why do it?
My God is the God of All Things and many religions, like Islam, condemn Alcohol.
Its an organic solvent that turns into nrearly its own weight of acetaldehyde, a toxic, irritant, carcinogen that causes premature aging, brother of formaldehyde.
I see family and friends struggling with alcohol addiction, I see the people before me in line in the supermarket putting nothing but the cheapest beer on the counter, no food or maybe some crackers..
Maybe just quit while I'm ahead.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26878139 - 08/13/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Death is death. Inevitable. Human. And beautiful in its own right. A life has reached completion not an end. Sometimes death can be gracious and sometimes not so gracious. The origin of the beauty lies in the memories via experiences with the life while such a privilege existed. The cause of death can provide a brief opportunity for enlightenment but shouldn't be dwelt upon too long or the memories may be compromised. Celebrate the life Asante. Maybe share a fond memory with us.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: GreenHorns]
#26878159 - 08/13/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good for you asante, I have been playing with the same thought lately as I have never been one to drink anyway. If you do decide to quit then you have a shit ton of support on this site
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26878340 - 08/13/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I decided to take my final shot of Underberg (a herbal bitter digestive) thet I own tomorrow at the time of the cremation and made an offer to a friend to please help rid me of my few but high quality bottles of liquor.
Asante's going dry - as of tomorrow.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante]
#26878351 - 08/13/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Underberg is a fine drink to cheers with. And those Itty bitty bottles are very handy. If you have some quality scotch I would donate my liver to the expense of your new found abstention of the sauce.
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#26878353 - 08/13/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The finest I have are 2 high end bottles of Absinthe Duplais. Those need to find a good place.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante]
#26878361 - 08/13/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man if I could I would have a final shot with you
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26878370 - 08/13/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante]
#26878377 - 08/13/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: Alcohol kills.
It's one of my least favorite drugs in existence.
- Causes people to be aggressive, sometimes violent
- Impairs ability to reason properly
- Regularly causes deadly car accidents
- Terrible for your liver
- Causes hangovers, causing users to become generally lethargic and cloudy
- High potential for abuse
- High potential for addiction
- Relatively easy to overdose
- High sugar content
- If severely addicted, withdrawals can be deadly
- Causes dehydration
- Removes ability to get restful sleep
- Expensive
- Classified as a depressant, yet people consume it to "feel good"
I could go on from there.
I can think of no drug that has caused more problems in my life than alcohol. It turned my dad from a decent parent into an emotionally distant, abusive man (who is now just hopeless and lonely because he cut everyone out of his life and now all he does is drink). Alcohol destroyed my last romantic relationship. Alcoholism has destroyed the lives of so many of my close friends and family.
I know this is just a personal anecdote, and I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of addictions from other drugs, but I know two different friends who were addicted to heroin for multiple years. Both of them have been clean and sober for years now. On the other hand, the vast majority of alcoholics I know at a personal level are still alcoholics. Alcoholism is incredibly pervasive in our society.
It's a truly horrible drug. I can't believe how hypocritical it is that alcohol is legal while mushrooms can land you in prison. That's not to say that mushrooms are harmless: there are severe psychological risks. However, I would argue that it's generally a lot safer to use mushrooms than it is to use alcohol.
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: Asante]
#26878413 - 08/13/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alcohol is a terrible drug, especially in excess 
Did his spirit tell you about where it is? Is he in Heaven or Hell? Or something else entirely?
Sorry for your loss
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Re: I now know what killed my friend: The Bottle. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26878502 - 08/13/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Alcohol is a terrible drug, especially in excess 
Did his spirit tell you about where it is? Is he in Heaven or Hell? Or something else entirely?
Sorry for your loss 
People don't go to Hell.
Yes he was a trooper and made good on the promises made in life and he's reporting back from the other side.
One of the final requests I made of him was to report back after the cremation to ascertain its not happening from his brain, at least not without warping time.
When he was 1 day dead earth time he reported to have been on the Other Side for several months.
He said: "I'm standing here in the body I had when I was 20, in a field of grass. Hanuman (God) is with me. When you die, your consciousness detaches from your body and enters a dreamstate completely. Because you are always dreaming a bit while awake, and when dreaming always anchored to earth, and none of that exists here, I am FULLY IN THE DREAM and because of that, it feels realer than even waking reality, more tangible and you have more abilities. It is completely peaceful here, there is no time pressure, no hurry, no hunger or need. If you knew how wonderful it was here, you'd slit your throat with a box cutter to get here, but that is the last thing you should ever do.
I stand here on a field of grass, because I choose my environment, at this point, to change into a field of grass. I can morph it into any conceivable environment. I have the body of being 20 years old because I choose to have this body. I wear no clothes now but I can morph them on and off my body.
I can enlist dream figures to play out a scenario with me. These are played by either me or God. I can also meet up with actual people on the Other Side. Everything that is possible in any universe is present here, including that which is on earth now. Including you. You are here too.
All consciousness is connected through the field of consciousness that is this dimension of dreams. You are now partially in it, adhered to a body on earth, I am completely in that dimension, not adhered to a body.
God runs me through scenarios that are mandatory, and alternated with scenarios of my own choosing. What God makes me experience are aspects of the life I lived. Happy moments but also sad and horrible ones. I am atoning for my sins, to say it like that. All karma of all my life is neutralized by working through it.
As I work through it, I get bigger and bigger, more and more complete, closer to God and more and more LIKE God. I know it now that my proximity to God and my Godlikeness will merge into one and that this is the point that I am one with all things.
I cannot know what happens there, but I know tha5t from there, I will separate away from God again into my next life, which is a logical sequal to this life. Cause and effect, Karma, continue also between lives.
We have eternal life, but the majority of it is spent in Death, and its the most beautiful place you can imagine. But! I paid for how beautiful it is with my suffering. A person who has brought suffering on others or committed knowing suicide, will enter this place in a terrible torment, going over and over what happened from every angle for a very long time until the Karmic debt is paid and all are done justice. Only then does their burning desert become a oasis for them, an oasis where they like myself, a good man, are completely replenished as they merge into the God. Hinduism has so many Gods but it is all That One God.
A thousand years on the Other Side can happen in a day of Earth Time. Right now I want to be here and meet up with everybody - God Included - for all Eternity, but I know that I will rise to the highest heaven and from there to the next life, over and over, for all eternity, and that there is no fate more wonderful than that.
Live long and live righteous! Sow the seeds of love everywhere you go. Help others evolve and grow, grow, grow. You cannot suffer enough, your earthly suffering is your credit in Heaven.
Be generous and kind - you are NOT rid of me just yet my friend!"
Let this sink in, Logical_Chaos.
The gravity of this in light of earlier pieces of the puzzle.
It fits completely.
That's what's behind the veil.
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#26878594 - 08/13/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That was amazing
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