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#27015650 - 11/01/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The dose entirely depends on the particular genetics and the person consuming. I always tell folks if they are new or scared, take a half gram for the first time and see how you like it. An hour later, if you want, take a half more. Some of my clones are so powerful that folks who say they are experienced and need at least four grams eat only two grams (as per my advise) and come back reporting that it blew their mind.
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27042270 - 11/16/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mmm, good shit, I agree strangers offering dosage advice to strangers (or friend-to-friend) often leaves out these factors.
Bottom line is, genetics determine potency more than growing condition. That's why certain SPECIES are so much more potent than other species....they've evolved to produce more active compounds. Thus the average Ps cubensis has a lower % of active compounds than Ps azurescens or Pan cyans. Of course, expert growers can isolate and clone stronger cubes, but the genome of Ps. cubensis has limitations on it.
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: basidionerd] 1
#27042598 - 11/16/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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one thing I've wanted to ask people with years of experience is are we by "selecting" traits creating stronger mushrooms and greater yields? Some strains have been going for decades correct?
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Just as it’s possible to select for potency and breed lines where potent traits are more common, it’s just as easy to do the opposite. Which strains have had care or even a positive fluke occur during its domestication? Hard to say. Genetic drift and other issues can also occur over repeated selfing.
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#27126147 - 01/04/21 01:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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excellent op Pastywhyte, really well written!
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: ReverendMyc] 1
#27148633 - 01/14/21 08:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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very well said thank you
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#27164773 - 01/23/21 02:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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As a noob, this is one of the most thoughtful and informative threads I have read. Thank you Pasty and all who commented.
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Re: Temps and Potential [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27166045 - 01/23/21 07:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said:
If I want potent fruit I prefer to hunt for potent genetics. Temps has more to do with timelines and contam control than potency IMO.
Say I take a clone and grow a tub with that culture.
I then eat an 1/8 and find that i'm satisfied with the strength of that culture.
Can it be reasonably assumed that the strength would be consistent throughout the entire tub? (66qt pasty ez dial for example)
I get it, it's a clone so in theory it would be. Just curious to hear your thoughts.
We test cultures for speed (on agar, on grain, post spawning), yield, and potency... yet potency seems like the most elusive part of cult.
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Re: Temps and Potential [Re: Mr. Mushie] 1
#27194733 - 02/09/21 03:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow. Awesome write up. Should be required reading.
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Re: Temps and Potential [Re: Ran] 1
#27194822 - 02/09/21 05:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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reasonably assumed...
Yes.
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 Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27198068 - 02/10/21 07:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks PastyWhite. Thought provoking and helpful. Even the dry wet differential - myself as an early noob cultivator seeing the difference between bone-cracker-snap-into-powder dry weight vs 95-98% dry. Wow. And how swiftly the fruit will re-hydrate if left exposed to air. To a noob 5g might seem like 5g, but upon closer inspection...  Looking back it explains a lot of inconsistency and varied experiences.
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27240314 - 03/06/21 11:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for your words of wisdom. I am wondering if in the structure has it been found certain parts (such as the cap) having more potency than other areas? Also cleaning how much of the stem should be cut off and how much should stay?
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Quote:
jollygreengiant87 said:
Thank you for your words of wisdom. I am wondering if in the structure has it been found certain parts (such as the cap) having more potency than other areas? Also cleaning how much of the stem should be cut off and how much should stay?
Not much real work has been done in terms of potency...there was a study not long ago that found that caps seemed to have more but I questioned the results. Mainly because the genetics weren’t controlled and the authors themselves felt the results were more correlation than anything else.
Having grown lots of Penis envy (which typically has tiny caps and huge stipes) I don’t really buy much into the idea that caps are significantly stronger. For most people it seems that stipes from a strong clone are doing the job quite well given the response I get when someone eats some PE (which are mostly stipe). Personally I’d worry more about the specific genetics or how the fruits were processed and stored. Stipe vs cap arguments generally aren’t something experienced people look to debate which tells you a fair bit.
Cleaning is a personal thing. I just look to trim off the parts that are laden with substrate and preserve as much fruit material as possible. I do have a number of family and friends with celiac so I like to be sure no grain is tagging along. But it’s a personal choice, some people have no issue making tea from colonized manure and drinking it so I’m not going to judge. Think of them as food and prep them accordingly is how I like to go about it.
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27278842 - 04/23/21 02:52 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Edited by mistermushly (04/23/21 03:50 AM)
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: mistermushly] 1
#27279120 - 04/23/21 09:53 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I only gave that link a once over but, it looks like it’s quite well done. Far more control seems to have been employed and they seem to recognize genetics role more so than previous studies have. Interesting note was the PE that only came up as B range which really hammers home the variability. I’m going to read this a few more times, thanks for posting it.
I wonder how a potent RW clone would have fared in that study.
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27279528 - 04/23/21 04:51 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Agreed, It's great to see a more scientifically based study. I found that low rating PE interesting as well, re-inforces what you have been discussing about the role of genetics on this thread. Would have loved to see a wide ranges from supposedly low potency B+ to APE, and my current fave LPEU. also wondering what the top rated N/A was. hmmm
I just know realized that you were the creator of Rusty White. Looks like the Sometimes I miss the obvious lol. I'd love to give that a go sometime soon... looks like Oakland Hyphae has repeating events called the Psilocybin Cup. We should definitely get RW in the mix 
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: mistermushly] 1
#27299816 - 05/08/21 07:59 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pretty promising research on the horizon. Glad to see some up to date info.
My biggest concern here was that there was no discussion on methods of dehydration nor storage. They didnt discuss the age of the mushrooms tested. It appears as though the cultivators themselves may have had more of an influence on the final potency.
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27300050 - 05/08/21 11:17 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you for saying that. jeez anint that hard to comprehend
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Re: Temps and Potential [Re: BoleteLove] 1
#27306387 - 05/12/21 09:58 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, Pasty. I appreciate the solid write-up. I love the hobby and if I don't 'dose'regularly I get slammed with Cluster Headaches aka Suicide Headaches.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02981173
I have a great motivator to become a great cultivator.
Pertinent to me being, also, 'interested in alcoholism,' I heard James Faddiman tell Sam Harris that when he was running clinincals, he discovered that alcoholics need 8 grams to get a 4-gram trip. I may be sober nearly 35 years, but unfortunatley I can attest to the truth of it, drinking or, in my caase, not.
And then there are serotonin blockers, and calcium channel blockers, et cetera.
I did about 8 g PE a couple of years ago and got a low Level 2 out of them.
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Re: A note on mushrooms and potency [Re: ReverendMyc] 1
#27315564 - 05/19/21 08:44 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Solid post. Sticky worthy or at least added to a list of good "teks/read me firsts" like the ones in the Getting Started thread.
I 2nd this
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