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(BDO ban) “This dangerous 'party drug' has been everywhere — even on Amazon“
    #26878164 - 08/13/20 11:47 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

It had been several years since professor Joseph Palamar had seen that unmistakable “caveman face,” the telltale sign of an imminent overdose of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, or GHB.

Standing among throngs of concertgoers at a Brooklyn music venue last year, Palamar spotted the bulky man with the contorted face nearby. He was struggling to remain conscious.

“I’ve noticed that when people are meant to pass out and they keep forcing it, they make these very strange, primitive faces,” Palamar, an epidemiologist and associate professor of population health at New York University’s Grossman School of Medicine, told NBC News. “They look like they are in such euphoria it’s almost painful.”

Within minutes, the man succumbed, apparently to the suppressive effects of the drug, and collapsed to the floor. Security staff raced over and carried him away.

The ordeal reminded Palamar of New York’s sweaty nightclubs at the turn of the millennium, the same venues that had sparked his interest in studying drug use. Back then, overdoses, particularly on GHB, were so common that some clubs hired private ambulances to avoid 911 calls and police scrutiny. One club allegedly hid unconscious patrons in a back room without medical assistance.

Despite these efforts, the clubs didn’t go unnoticed. After a rash of overdoses across the United States in the late ’90s, Congress scheduled GHB as a controlled substance in 2000. Exposures to GHB reported to poison control centers fell almost immediately.

But 20 years on, a new generation of recreational users — a disproportionate number of them gay and lesbian, according to researchers — has rediscovered the drug. Recent indictments in a Texas federal court reveal that today’s networks for distributing GHB aren’t spread over local dealers but far-flung markets linking buyers to legal businesses with dubious motives. Social media and the world’s largest online marketplace are also tangled in this web. This illicit network generates millions of dollars each year and has spurred a small but growing crisis, for which federal regulators and the medical community appear ill-equipped and unprepared.

GHB 101

Occurring naturally in the body, gamma-hydroxybutyric acid was first synthesized in a lab in the 1960s. Although its application in medicine has always been limited, GHB has had various recreational uses. In the 1980s, health food stores marketed the compound as a dietary supplement. Then, in the ’90s, the drug found its way into American nightlife.

In small doses — mere milliliters — GHB produces feelings of relaxation and confusion and heightens sexual arousal, lending to its allure as a party drug. It can also cause amnesia and hallucinations.

While not particularly addictive, the drug has a steep dose-response relationship, meaning the difference between experiencing euphoria and losing consciousness is a matter of a few drops of the clear, viscous liquid. It is this quality of GHB that gives it the nickname “the date-rape drug,” although the compound is rarely a factor in sexual assault. Overdoses can result in coma and respiratory arrest, which to an unaccustomed observer may appear as if the affected person has only fallen asleep.

GHB overdoses surged in the United States during the 1990s. In 1995, the Drug Abuse Warning Network recorded 145 emergency department visits for GHB-related illness in a single year. By 2000, this number was nearing 5,000. That same year, the American Association of Poison Control Centers logged some 2,000 exposures to GHB and its analogues as well as six deaths.

In reacting to the growing crisis, Congress passed the Hillory J. Farias and Samantha Reid Date-Rape Drug Prohibition Act of 2000, which authorized the attorney general to list GHB as a Schedule I controlled substance. The law, named after two teenagers who allegedly died from GHB overdoses after unknowingly ingesting the drug, also targeted GHB analogues, or chemicals that are “substantially similar” to the illegal compound. Two of these — gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) and 1,4-butanediol (BDO) — were named in the act’s text.

Once ingested, GBL and BDO metabolize into GHB and have similar clinical effects. But unlike GHB, both chemicals have widespread use in industrial manufacturing, which prevents them from being regulated as controlled substances. Under the Farias-Reid act, GBL became subjected to greater control by the Drug Enforcement Administration, while BDO was left unregulated. Even so, under the new law, the sale and distribution of either GBL or BDO could result in criminal prosecution if the seller knew the buyer would consume the chemical.

New market for an old drug

After the federal government targeted GHB, reports of its use began to fall. By 2005, poison control centers in the U.S. only recorded some 550 exposures to GHB and one death.

During that same period, online retail grew to offer new avenues for buying and selling GHB and its analogues under the guise of legitimate business.

In 2002, in its first major action against the sale of GHB, codenamed Operation Webslinger, federal agents busted four drug-trafficking rings that had used the internet to connect with buyers. One of these operations, a mother-son team in Missouri, was accused of setting up a limited liability company called Miracle Cleaning Products to deal BDO online. Through their business, the duo could legally purchase the chemical in bulk from two U.S.-based suppliers and then distribute smaller quantities to their customers throughout the U.S. When law enforcement finally arrested the family, federal agents recovered 2,200 gallons of BDO and seized $300,000 in cash. Ultimately, the court sentenced the mother to 14 years in federal prison and the son to more than eight years

Congress again took action by passing the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act in 2006. In addition to establishing the national sex offender registry, the law made it illegal to use the internet to sell GHB or its analogues to any person without a legal prescription to use the drug or any business not authorized to handle the chemical. Anyone convicted of using the internet to sell these compounds to unauthorized buyers could face a fine and 20 years imprisonment.

The new law also authorized the attorney general to develop regulations for record-keeping and reporting by anyone handling BDO. To date, the Department of Justice has not established these requirements.

A spokesperson for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, which is part of the DOJ, told NBC News the it "has not promulgated any regulations that were authorized but not required by legislation," adding that "1,4-butanediol is produced in large volumes for a multitude of legitimate industrial uses, none of which are intended for human consumption.”

Last month, federal agents raided Right Price Chemicals, a wholesaler in Texas, and arrested nine individuals who were accused of distributing BDO for human consumption beginning in 2015. According to the DOJ, the defendants had used the internet to sell the compound to buyers in 48 states. Some of these buyers then dealt smaller quantities to other users.

In just four years, sales of BDO generated $4.5 million for Right Price Chemicals, according to the Department of Justice. Prosecutors also claim that the product caused at least two deaths.

A lawyer for one of the defendants told NBC News that Right Price Chemicals warned customers on its website and its products that BDO was not for human consumption.

"Simply because people misuse a product does not place criminal liability on the retailer of that product,” Ryan Gertz, the lawyer, said. "Right Price Chemicals is a legitimate business that maintained thorough records, paid taxes, employed experts to advise them about proper practices and openly consulted with the government about its operations."

The defendants in the case have pleaded not guilty and attest that they only distributed BDO for legitimate, legal purposes. If convicted, they face a minimum of 20 years, and up to life, in federal prison.

Amazon (Amazon removed these products after NBC News reached out to the company for comment).
In the interest of public health, NBC News has chosen not to name the companies or share their websites and social media accounts.
One of these sellers markets its products as an “organic reagent” and “heavy-duty cleaner” with multiple at-home uses, though the Drug Enforcement Administration maintains that 1,4-butanediol “has no household applications.”

On Amazon, the companies’ products were much pricier than traditional cleaning supplies. Whereas most heavy-duty cleaners on Amazon retail for about $15, BDO of a comparable size went for over $100.

Both sellers are legally registered in different Midwestern states as limited liability companies. The name of one suggests it is a chemical wholesaler; however, it only distributes 1,4-butanediol. The other began as an all-natural soap company in 2015 but switched to selling BDO via its website and Amazon last year.

Prior to early August, buyers could also purchase BDO through the website of one of the sellers using cryptocurrencies, like Bitcoin.

One seller included a legal disclaimer on its Amazon product page stating that its BDO was not for human consumption. Nevertheless, commenters on several blogs, including Reddit, have discussed purchasing BDO as a GHB substitute through Amazon.

NBC News attempted to contact multiple people who allegedly purchased BDO from one of the third-party sellers on Amazon. Only one agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity. This buyer confirmed purchasing 1,4-butanediol on Amazon in order to ingest it and said the seller did not ask for justification when placing the order. The buyer said that the day after consuming the BDO, they felt “absolutely terrible.” The compound, this individual said, caused them to feel fatigued, nauseous and confused.

Shortly after NBC News began contacting these alleged buyers, the third-party seller removed images of BDO bottles and packaging labels from its Instagram account. The company also removed its offering of BDO from its website and instead provided links directing customers to its product pages on the Amazon and Walmart marketplaces.

Amazon prohibits third-party sellers from using its marketplace to sell scheduled controlled substances, like GHB, and List I chemicals, like GBL. BDO is neither. Still, Amazon specifies that its list of restricted products is “not all-inclusive” and the sale of “unsafe” products is strictly prohibited.

“Third party sellers are independent businesses and are required to follow our selling guidelines when selling in our store. Those who do not will be subject to action including potential removal of their account,” an Amazon spokesperson told NBC News. “The products in question are no longer available.”

Walmart also prohibits third-party sellers from selling controlled substances and “products that are subject to regulatory action or criminal enforcement.” Like Amazon, Walmart removed 1,4-butanediol products from its website following NBC News’ request for comment.

In a statement, a Walmart spokesperson said: “We strive to make our third-party Marketplace a trusted destination for safe, high quality products. We require our third-party sellers to comply with all applicable laws and our prohibited products policy. We removed the product 1,4-butanediol from Marketplace and have taken steps to prevent sellers from listing similar items going forward.”

NBC News tried to contact both companies that formerly sold 1,4-butanediol on the Amazon and Walmart marketplaces. Neither responded.

One of the sellers, however, appears to have moved to another major online marketplace after being removed from Amazon and Walmart.com. This marketplace, whose name NBC News will not publish in the interest of public safety, makes sellers’ purchase histories publicly available and shows the seller earned over $2,670 in just 48 hours this week from selling 35 units of BDO.

The comeback of a ‘party drug’

As the online market for GHB and its analogues has grown in recent years, researchers have seen an uptick in the drugs' recreational use.

From 2016 to 2019, Palamar and Katherine Keyes, an epidemiologist at Columbia University, surveyed adults at electronic dance music parties in New York City to track relative changes in drug use. In that three-year span, they found that the rate of GHB use increased from one in 100 to roughly one in 25, a relative increase of 300 percent.

But for certain demographic groups, the use of GHB is far more widespread. In another survey taken from 2016 to 2018, Palamar and a group of researchers at NYU and Rutgers University found that both gays and lesbians at electronic dance parties were at higher odds for GHB use than straight patrons. According to the study, gay men were nearly 12 times more likely than heterosexual men to self-report GHB use within the past year. Lesbians were nearly seven times more likely than straight women. While gays and lesbians reported comparable or higher rates of use across most surveyed drug types, the difference in GHB use between gay and straight attendees was by far the greatest.

It was in nightlife that Jon, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his privacy, discovered GHB.

As a newcomer to New York City in 2013, Jon, like many young gay men, found a community in nightclubs where he began taking GHB with friends. At first, the drug was only a cheap weekend indulgence.

After drinking one glass of water mixed with GHB, "I wouldn’t need to drink for the rest of the night,” Jon said. “That’s a very attractive selling point.”

But the party didn’t always end on Monday. What had started as only a weekend exploit soon became a weekday occurrence and eventually a physical dependence on the drug.

For several years, no one — including Jon’s boyfriend at the time — knew of this dependence. Even when Jon acknowledged his problem to himself, he still didn’t reveal it to others.

“I wanted to detox without anyone knowing, because at that point I knew I was only doing it for maintenance,” he said. “I was only doing it to curb the withdrawals.”

These were often debilitating. If Jon didn’t ingest GHB on a regular basis, his body would begin to show symptoms akin to alcohol withdrawal. He would sweat and shake. His anxiety would soar to the point of confusion. As a young person trying to make something of himself in New York, Jon needed to maintain his dependence on GHB. The alternative — abruptly stopping his GHB use — was to risk a coma and even death.

So, Jon continued to consume 1.25 milliliters of GHB every two hours for three and a half years.

When he finally sought help at a rehabilitation center last summer, Jon encountered a different problem altogether.

“They had never heard of the drug,” he said of the rehab’s staff. “They had no idea what it was. They didn’t know how to treat it. They didn’t know how to deal with it. Nothing.”

Ultimately, Jon’s doctors treated him with diazepam, which has been shown to be effectivein treating GHB dependence. As of today, Jon has been in recovery for over a year.

(Fractal420 note: So NBC made BDO from Amazon and Walmart into a serious, serious thing. Maybe half your life in jail serious)


https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/dangerous-party-drug-has-been-everywhere-even-amazon-n1236481


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Re: (BDO ban) “This dangerous 'party drug' has been everywhere — even on Amazon“ [Re: Fractal420] * 1
    #26878800 - 08/13/20 05:24 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Damn it BDO really isn't an amazon anymore :/ fucking nbc, go find some real news to report on


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Re: (BDO ban) “This dangerous 'party drug' has been everywhere — even on Amazon“ [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26878895 - 08/13/20 06:39 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

I wonder why the attempts to control G and it’s pro drugs are so hardcore. It was “date rape” in the 90s. Like if you weren’t part of a G-using group of people, saying “GHB” was like talking about date rape.

Now, they wanna give like 20 year+ sentences for even BDO. Shit is crazy.

And I guess they already made GBL list 1 a while back but it’s equally serious now, prolly gonna be straight up sched 1

And Xyrem is so hard to get for medicinal use


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Re: (BDO ban) “This dangerous 'party drug' has been everywhere — even on Amazon“ [Re: Fractal420]
    #26879065 - 08/13/20 08:33 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Good question. Probably a lot factors at play, I'm sure some people are happy to see any drug carry said penalties and there's zero political pushback with GHB/pro-drugs. Might have something to do with the fact that its been popular among homosexuals, so they see this as an easy way to target that population. Or because it became associated with date-rape among ignorant policymakers.

I don't think it'll ever be scheduled, even list 1 could become a logistical nightmare, due to its plethora of industrial uses and the quantities involved. This could also be part of the motivation for such harsh penalties. They could be afraid that if a real market for it were to develop, there would be no way to stop it. It'd just be too easy to acquire large amounts of it, even if it were list 1 it really wouldn't be that hard for anyone so motivated to acquire/produce huge amounts of it and the only thing preventing that right now is a lack of market for it.

edit: typo


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Re: (BDO ban) “This dangerous 'party drug' has been everywhere — even on Amazon“ [Re: Fractal420]
    #26879287 - 08/13/20 11:47 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

"Standing among throngs of concertgoers at a Brooklyn music venue last year, Palamar spotted the bulky man with the contorted face nearby. He was struggling to remain conscious."

Yeah they don't call it the rape drug for nothing but think fat man is safe in that department.

Know your limits and know your drugs.  Gay guy hitting on me on it and his mind was in such another place and it definitely wasn't a good one.  Not like ecstasy and even on that one can know when one doesn't want to kiss a man sexually.  For me that is always.  More power to those that do, have no judgement about it, just, his mind was off, a dark place and not talking about the club.

I can think of so many great drugs to do and GHB is not one of them.  Had a great dream of ecstasy and was so happy when a corrupted cop got one box out of a drug bust and just gave me one.  He was laughing and I could tell he was on it in the dream. And I told him that.  Dreams are weird what one remembers at what one doesn't.  Nothing sexual, I can afford to buy it in real life but he just gave me one and I was so happy he kept one box out of the van packed with it.

I get the article and glad to just sticking with my favorites.  Somethings like GHB and crack and so many different research chemical concoctions from China or Russia or whatever no.  On the fence with Datura but talking a EXTREEMLY small amount.  Holy shit the stories of it wow.  Same with GHB and they are never good.


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Re: (BDO ban) “This dangerous 'party drug' has been everywhere — even on Amazon“ [Re: Barnaby]
    #26879639 - 08/14/20 09:05 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Thats more than a little surprising coming from someone who is a consistent defender of alcohol.

Personally I like GHB, but it is one that needs to be used cautiously and not too frequently. And as an insomina sufferer its also a really great way to get a good nights sleep when I really need it.


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    #26879667 - 08/14/20 09:24 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

No judgement.  Just has a really bad reputation as a rape drug.  Never tried it and if it works for you great.  And I don't mean that sarcastically.  Best.

And yes, I will always support the repeal of prohibition in the States and alcohol.  Drink responsibly!  Lol.  Sorry, just in a good mood.  I have nothing to complain or worry about.  As I sip my gin followed by beer and two k-pins this morning. 

Going to be a good day.:murray:  Hiking day with supplies and extra "suppliments". 


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    #26880047 - 08/14/20 02:11 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

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Barnaby said:
No judgement.  Just has a really bad reputation as a rape drug.  Never tried it and if it works for you great.  And I don't mean that sarcastically.  Best.

And yes, I will always support the repeal of prohibition in the States and alcohol.  Drink responsibly!  Lol.  Sorry, just in a good mood.  I have nothing to complain or worry about.  As I sip my gin followed by beer and two k-pins this morning. 

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I really don’t think G is commonly used for date rape at all. I think it happened a few times in the 90s maybe and it IS mostly used by gay people. I dunno about the story about some unwanted attention or whatever, but G is really amazing for sleep. It’s also insanely addictive. But honestly it’s quite similar to alcohol too.

The date rape thing is more of an excuse to control it, and not even used much these days, and you can’t do that with GBL or BDO cause they taste like absolute crap (GBL 1ml In a full cup of juice is one of the worst tastes I’ve ever had)

PS there’s clearly a niche market for it too but now will be very risky, before those GBL cleaners were pretty damn easy to find and cheap for like a whole 1L - and the Amazon BDO market too, that counts. It says one company made millions


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Re: (BDO ban) “This dangerous 'party drug' has been everywhere — even on Amazon“ [Re: Fractal420]
    #26880349 - 08/14/20 05:49 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

GBL seemed more a punch than BDO. BDO, dumbfounded happiness. Thought be silly to soak cocaine in it and give to people. Be hilarious to watch their giddiness.


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    #26880543 - 08/14/20 08:24 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

I'd like to know what caveman face looks like


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    #26880610 - 08/14/20 09:19 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)



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    #26881027 - 08/15/20 06:17 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

GBL is great for it’s effects , miles ahead of BDO, it’s actually stronger than regular G too (1ml=1.4g approx). It has no date rape risk due to the HORRID taste even from 1ml in a whole glass of whatever. Regular G is usually food colored to prevent this kind of thing (can always get back to the dealer if something happens)

Where I’d say it’s not so great is that it’s an industrial cleaner that even if it measure out 1-2ml suddenly there are no more markings on the dropper lol G wipes it right off. I’ve seen the way it eats thru plastic (again, even with just 1ml)
Can’t be good Inside you converting to G but BDO is worse.

But once it hits you it’s super nice, the most euphoric rest you can ever ask for. I don’t try to fight it. If I’m feeling sleepy it’s good every muscle is 100% relaxed and you just fall into your bed pleasantly

But 4hrs later you will usually jolt awake lol

GBL used to be one of the easiest things to get. Now I wouldn’t even risk it. Also for industrial use they’re making mixed GBL (like car n20) which you can’t use really


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    #26881038 - 08/15/20 06:37 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

Man I just want some GHB one more time. It's been a long time since I've used anything but weed and kratom but I'd have some G if I could. Now I'm regretting not having tried the BDO from Amazon a couple months back.


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    #26881077 - 08/15/20 07:34 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

BDO imo doesn’t come close to the clean feel of actual G

I mean yeah it’ll do the job but it also has other action that the G’s don’t have, such as being more toxic in combination with alcohol (and has more alcohol-like effects apparently in general)

But honestly I could never feel safe with 14BDO, I barely feel like GBL is even safe due to how damn harsh it is as a solvent/cleaner. If it cleans metal and destroys plastic I assume it won’t be super safe inside a human, HOWEVER vitamin shops used to sell GBL no problem and was used a lot by body builders

I’m sure DNMs will still have regular G, it’s not going anywhere. Just ordering it and whatever has become risky as hell. I mean it was bad enough when ordering 99.7% list 1 chem in a liter bottle that says it’s for cleaning rims


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    #26881085 - 08/15/20 07:38 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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While not particularly addictive







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But the party didn’t always end on Monday. What had started as only a weekend exploit soon became a weekday occurrence and eventually a physical dependence on the drug.

For several years, no one — including Jon’s boyfriend at the time — knew of this dependence. Even when Jon acknowledged his problem to himself, he still didn’t reveal it to others.

“I wanted to detox without anyone knowing, because at that point I knew I was only doing it for maintenance,” he said. “I was only doing it to curb the withdrawals.”

These were often debilitating. If Jon didn’t ingest GHB on a regular basis, his body would begin to show symptoms akin to alcohol withdrawal. He would sweat and shake. His anxiety would soar to the point of confusion. As a young person trying to make something of himself in New York, Jon needed to maintain his dependence on GHB. The alternative — abruptly stopping his GHB use — was to risk a coma and even death.

So, Jon continued to consume 1.25 milliliters of GHB every two hours for three and a half years.







First they say its not addictive, then they outline all the horrible physical withdrawl symptoms this guy faced. This is right up there with benzos/alcohol for difficulty and seizure danger in quitting once you get addicted.


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    #26881087 - 08/15/20 07:43 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

G is more addictive than (I guess my opinion) opioids, benzos, barbs and anything else I can think of. The thing is once you become dependent you need a whole cocktail of things to get off it or you gotta drink that stuff all day

But yeah I would NOT even risk that by using say 2 days In a row, and I take benzos for anxiety daily (have to- panic disorder, ptsd etc) compared to G, that’s still nothing

It is much worse than benzos/barbs for sure and miles more dangerously addictive than opioids. I am not referring to OD potential and such, just addiction

Also it’s effects work much like alcohol it’s the closest relative to ethanol that I can think of - particularly BDO actually

BUT on an unrelated note, ITS SO FUCKED that the news would make sure it’s removed from amazon and added to schedule 1 so more people go to jail, these are the same people covering police reform

This is why I don’t trust Biden, I hope Kamala Harris at least knows not to put MJ into sched 2 because of all the pharm rules that kick in. It’s Much worse than schedule 1 for pot RN. I mean she passed a national legalization bill but the both of them seem like they might in practice be cool with locking people up


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    #26882655 - 08/16/20 03:51 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Its really too bad the real thing is illegal in the first place.
Just goes to show how something created with the even the best of intentions could be used for ugly things.

GHB is literally a miracle sleep drug.


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    #26882787 - 08/16/20 07:29 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I would say it's a miracle sleep drug for 4 hrs and then BAM wide awake lol everytime


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    #26882803 - 08/16/20 07:55 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Next up on the ban list: THF and MSG? :wink:


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    #26883877 - 08/16/20 09:36 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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No judgement.  Just has a really bad reputation as a rape drug.  Never tried it and if it works for you great.  And I don't mean that sarcastically.  Best.

And yes, I will always support the repeal of prohibition in the States and alcohol.  Drink responsibly!  Lol.  Sorry, just in a good mood.  I have nothing to complain or worry about.  As I sip my gin followed by beer and two k-pins this morning. 

Going to be a good day.:murray:  Hiking day with supplies and extra "suppliments". 




I just meant its surprising because of its similarities to alchohol/benzos...I could understand someone whos low on gaba-ergics in general having such an opinion of ghb but it just sounds a little funny coming from someone who regularly mixes booze and benzos.

As far as horror stories, yeah ghb is more dangerous in od, but people are way more dangerous in od on booze/benzos and far more likely to do things they regret during a benzo blackout than a night on ghb. Same thing with date rape, benzos have been used for date rape far, far, far more than GHB. Honestly, even when it was OTC, I'm not sure how prevalently it was used in such a way...it just made a good story on a slow news day.

And I'm not necessarily trying to rag on booze/benzos...but lets just say I'm not surprised to hear you've never tried ghb, and are basing your line of thought on its "reputation"(which admittedly is pretty horrible, largely thanks to media sensationalism/govt propaganda and a lack of experience among the general public to base to push-back on said narrative)

Just think about what you would think of booze/benzos if you had never tried them and your primary sources of info were anti-booze/benzos and all you ever heard were the "horror" stories.

Don't get me wrong, ghb is a dangerous and addictive drug...but its also pretty enjoyable and can be used safely and even responsibly.


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