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50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched
    #26878088 - 08/13/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So yeah I tried my first heroic dose but felt almost nothing.

At around 8:30 this morning I ate super light: a little bit of fish with some tomato sauce and some veggies. At around 11:30 am I boiled some water and pored it into a cup, added 50 grams of fresh, chopped up Psilocybe cubensis into the cup, stirred it, squeezed some lemon juice it in, and let it sit for a while. Drank the whole cup, at around 12 noon, within 10 minutes and waited.

After 90 min I still didn't feel anything and decided to eat a light sandwich. Which was 3.5h ago about now. Now I feel effects super light.

Now I know that sometimes batches have no or little effect due to a few reasons. Though I never had issues eating light before a trip, especially not when I had a meal 3 hours before the tea. It may be because this grow kit (as suggested here) is crap, which never happened to me before either.

Whether the grow kit is crap or not, or the batch botched, in regards to tolerance, is it wise to eat 40 grams of fresh now, or is it better to wait a few weeks?


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26878104 - 08/13/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Did you consume the mushrooms with the tea or throw them out?


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26878105 - 08/13/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I always eat them, I kind of like the taste :wink:


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26878115 - 08/13/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I always eat them, I kind of like the taste :wink:




Ok, that eliminates not extracting the actives since you ate everything.

In that post, the TC was mentioning that grow kits fail to produce oftentimes (or under produce). However, if you did indeed grow cubes, there's nothing inherent about the kit that would always make them grow without potency.

MS grows (grows from a multispore syringe) vary in potency because of the untold number of genetics you are cultivating. So you can get some really strong mushrooms, some really weak ones, and some in between.

HOWEVER, in all of my MS experience, I've never had mushrooms so weak that 5g would barely be felt.

So we need to try and narrow it down more

1) Are you on any medication?

2) Was this your first attempt at tripping on mushrooms? If not, when did you last trip and how much did you take?


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26878125 - 08/13/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

1. No medication

2. My last 'trip' was 3 weeks ago, less than 2 grams from leftovers. Prior to that 2 months, also leftovers: 10 grams of truffles. Both can't really be called a trip but felt more than I do from this 50 grams of fresh mushroom batch. Prior to that: 1 year ago full trip.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26878127 - 08/13/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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empec said:
1. No medication

2. My last 'trip' was three weeks ago, less than 2 grams from leftovers. Prior to that two months, also leftovers: 10 grams of truffles. Both can't really be called a trip but felt more than I do from this 50 grams of fresh mushroom batch. Prior to that: 1 year ago full trip.




And when you had the full trip one year ago, how much did you take?

It's sounding to me like a mix of having somewhat higher than natural tolerance and weak shrooms.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26878132 - 08/13/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Last summer I took 20 grams of truffles and had a fine trip.

Usually I take a shroom or two from a grow kit to test if they are fine, and I always have that feeling through my body: a good indication for me that they are working. Now I did not even have that feeling.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26878152 - 08/13/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

With fresh mushrooms you will need to outright boil them for a while, just a soak will not get everything out except maybe when you chop them up very finely.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26878169 - 08/13/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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With fresh mushrooms you will need to outright boil them for a while, just a soak will not get everything out except maybe when you chop them up very finely.




OP consumed the mushrooms so even if the tea didn't extract many actives, the mushrooms themselves were still consumed.

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Last summer I took 20 grams of truffles and had a fine trip.

Usually I take a shroom or two from a grow kit to test if they are fine, and I always have that feeling through my body: a good indication for me that they are working. Now I did not even have that feeling.




I've never had truffles so I can't comment on that. It may be that you have a natural tolerance and, like mentioned above, had a very weak batch as well.

I'd suggest grinding up an entire batch in a coffee grinder and either encapsulating the powder or put it in a good, airtight glass container with oxygen absorbant packs. This will homogenize the doses and make it more consistent.

From there, I'd test the batch and/or your tolerance. So I'd take 1 or 2g of the powder/capsules and see how I feel. 2-4 weeks later, if it felt under-dosed for what I wanted, I'd take 2.5-3.5g. And I would repeat this cycle until I found my sweet spot.

Or grow a Penis Envy variety of cubes. Those are, from my personal experience, more potent, even from MS grows, than regular cubes. It seems that even MS grows of PE varieties are quite strong.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: MindMeower]
    #26878170 - 08/13/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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With fresh mushrooms you will need to outright boil them for a while, just a soak will not get everything out except maybe when you chop them up very finely.





Op ate the shrooms with its tea


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26878238 - 08/13/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds to me, after Socrateshroom’s dissection, that you’ve just been unlucky. I threw an entire grow (3 flushes) of huge, extremely nice looking golden teachers away at the start of the year. Absolutely no buzz or anything at all from them. Never had tht before. It was from an MS spore syringe, but again, never before has the entire harvest been weak.

Good luck next grow :sad:
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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26878357 - 08/13/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's hard to imagine since I haven't had this happen to me personally. I've been using Ms for years now. I'm just now moving into agar and isolation.

To be fair I've only used 1 vendor for my purchases. I've probably spent about 200 on spores from them over the years. I still have 3 full syringes ready for inoculation.
Maybe it's the vendor. Too bad we can discuss them here.

Edit: dj how much did you have to compost? 3 flushes can be a lot.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26878363 - 08/13/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I seem to have missed the consuming of the solids part...

It seems the batch was indeed very weak unfortunately :/
I hope next one will be lot nicer ~


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26878389 - 08/13/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I can’t remember the total now, but the first flush was 1.5kg wet. They looked really beautiful too. I was gutted. Tried 3 random checks; I think of MS strength variation as a bell curve. About 80% is average strength, 10% really potent, 10% really weak. play about with the numbers, but you get the idea? So to take 3 random samples and get 3 exact same no trips at all - had to be all of them that were weak! Couldn’t be bothered having to keep waiting two weeks to test the harvest again. Grew some super nice Mazatapec instead :thumbup:

I’ve tried a variety of vendors over the years, most from here, but have now found a really good source in the UK. My last grow was a random pick, turned out to be Red Boy. They have turned out to be spectacularly potent :-)

In years of growing, if anything the only thing I’ve noticed from MS grows is a combination of normal strength, and fuck me that was unexpectedly strong strength :awesome: There’s always a first time to be really unlucky :cookiemonster:

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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26878406 - 08/13/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You might have just scooped the 10% too. The odds are good enough. But yeah why play around when you can reload and have another go. 




Why wait two weeks? If the dose did nothing you can still test  them right away.

I'm very happy with my vendor. They only do mail orders and they accept cash if you are so inclined. I hope to be done with Ms this year.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26878440 - 08/13/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

OP, if the next batch are the same grow you might get the same result, since making tea and then consuming the spent fruits as well ensures you couldn't have botched that.  If you experienced nothing then you have no tolerance, so experiment away with new fruits. :cookiemonster:


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26879392 - 08/13/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so I ended up eating 40 grams fresh (from the same flush), and after 90 min I did not feel it coming up yet, I started to eat and after the last bite it came up very slow. Two hours later I was tripping deep. I also tripped longer than usual: 6:30 till at least 12 midnight.

For what it's worth one of the best trips ever. However, I don't understand what happened with the tea and why it went wrong. So I guess I had that 10% DJ Ed and LosTresOjos are talking about.


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Re: 50 grams fresh Psilocybe cubensis tea botched [Re: empec]
    #26879890 - 08/14/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Good to hear then.  :solidnod:


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