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Deva-Sangito
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Best Way to Get Started? 1
#26877831 - 08/13/20 02:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would like to start cultivation but am feeling a bit of analysis paralysis. There is so much info out there on different TEKs, equipment and other considerations. I have no trouble finding guides for things like creating substrate, grain bags and monotubs, for example. But I can't find one source of info for a complete beginner who knows nothing about cultivation (except for the PF tek shotgun chamber method, which I decided against over using a regular monotub tek for better yields).
I am worried that through getting info from different sources, I will end up doing something wrong due to mixing up two different methods or something. So I guess my question is what is the best way to start? Or does anyone know a complete, fool-proof guide out there for the beginner who basically knows nothing, which incorporates the use of a monotub? The reason I am focused on a monotub specifically is because I heard that it's far superior to creating cakes and putting them in a shotgun chamber, and I am looking to grow in bulk. Money is no huge issue with this investment, so I am prepared to buy more advanced equipment to help make my life a little easier and optimize my grow method.
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Hey man! I was in the exact position as you about a year ago when I first started this hobby...I read so much and ended up mixing pf tek with a mini-mono tek and had some varied results. I was both confused and a little heart broken.
However what I can recommend is sticking with one tek and following it to the T.
The PF Tek was created for this purpose. It isn't the most efficient at creating massive yields, but it teaches you the basics about the mushroom lifecycle without exposing you to anything too advanced.
Thats where we all started since this hobby is mainly centered around learned experience rather than amount of effort or money put in. There is no quick-start bulk method for someone with no experience whatsoever.
However if you wanna get into bulk from the get go I would seriously consider a simpler bulk method such as Bod's Easy AF SHOEBOXES STUPID SIMPLE
I would also start a grow journal as well so that you can get advice from the masters as you go to maximise your learning.
And while this is happening also keep reading....and then read some more...and more...
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: Radikill] 1
#26877997 - 08/13/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Radikill said: Hey man! I was in the exact position as you about a year ago when I first started this hobby...I read so much and ended up mixing pf tek with a mini-mono tek and had some varied results. I was both confused and a little heart broken.
However what I can recommend is sticking with one tek and following it to the T.
The PF Tek was created for this purpose. It isn't the most efficient at creating massive yields, but it teaches you the basics about the mushroom lifecycle without exposing you to anything too advanced.
Thats where we all started since this hobby is mainly centered around learned experience rather than amount of effort or money put in. There is no quick-start bulk method for someone with no experience whatsoever.
However if you wanna get into bulk from the get go I would seriously consider a simpler bulk method such as Bod's Easy AF SHOEBOXES STUPID SIMPLE
I would also start a grow journal as well so that you can get advice from the masters as you go to maximise your learning.
And while this is happening also keep reading....and then read some more...and more...
Seconding Bod's shoebox tek. It's simple, pretty resistant to nooby mistakes, and can yield great results! But on top of that: read, read, read more, get some ebooks, read them, bookmark a bunch of threads here, read them all, then when you've finished reading, read some more. 100% of the questions that I had during my first grow were all answered by reading. And as I put in a lot of reading and note making before starting out I already knew where to go to to find the answers.
"Hmmmm why does this look like that? Oh yeah I remember I saw something like that in this thread/in that book" Boom question answered!
The joy of starting out is that thousands have people have already walked that path, so all you need to do is match their foot prints.
Here are the results from my first go a growing cubes. I followed one the PF teks linked in Bod's shoebox thread, then followed the rest of his post.








A final note though, something that reading didn't prepare me for was the amount of patience needed. It felt like every thing took _ages_ but when I went over my notes I saw how the grow progressed at a good pace. Grow mushrooms (growing anything really) takes time. Don't let impatience kill your grow!

PS: Shortcuts _will_ bite you in the arse. Don't sacrifice steps for speed/yield at this stage. Follow the path, wait it out!
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Lots of good advice you are getting here. I'll add do not skip agar. Learn agar first, focus on getting some clean cultures, and clean grain spawn. The process of getting clean cultures started on agar adds a little time at first, but once you have clean cultures you can produce clean spawn pretty quickly, which speeds up the entire process in the long run.
I would buy/download RR Let's Grow Mushrooms Video Series. It has a lot of helpful info in there on agar, grain prep, etc. I don't think there's a monotub tek on that video series, but there is so many teks on here you can find one.
Clean cultures and clean grain spawn is the name of the game, everthing else comes second...IMHO.
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And just in case the above didn’t get to you...don’t skip agar lol.
Germinating spores on agar and ensuring you have a clean culture is the most important step and your agar skills will ultimately allow you to clone mushrooms and save cultures.
The important parts of a tek are: obtain a clean culture on agar / sterilize your grain spawn / inoculate your grain spawn / once grain is 100% colonized you mix with your bulk sub.
There are a bunch of different ways and options in there but don’t let that stuff confuse you, remember the backbone steps.
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Really the only way you can go wrong with reading differing teks and opinions is blowing money on something you may not use. Failure is a lot more valuable here than constant success and you'll end up learning something.
Grain (I would start with wbs), jars, spores, tubs, agar, dishes, 200qt tub, 23qt presto pressure cooker, and a sturdy shelf for it all to sit on. Maybe a second shelf or desk to store supplies. You have a few of those things, and if you don't you can get everything for 250 bucks or less. It can also all be found locally in store, besides the spores and agar material. Those things are pretty much necessary to consistent success.
You got it man! I would definitely start with bods collection of teks, super comprehensive. Once you get the hang of it it all seems like common sense.
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26879474 - 08/14/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks to everyone for all the helpful advice. It's nice to see there's a real community of people who get a lot of joy from this hobby!
I feel a lot more clearheaded going into this now. I will definitely be looking into Bod's tek as a starting point, I'll check out that video series too. Also, don't skip agar . . . got it!
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Where can I find the DVD? I've been looking to buy it but it's only for sale on Amazon for $130 (!!). Couldn't find a torrent for it either. Any recommendations?
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: krabi]
#26896894 - 08/24/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Welcome Deva
Just a perspective from someone who just does it for fun and a few fruits for personal use.
There's a lot of information on this site! Almost overwhelming. I started with cakes and learned a lot. If you want to skip cakes I believe the most used and common teks are located above in the MUSH CULTIVATION RULES & STICKY THREAD sticky.
I personally use:
For ager I use Bod's Comprehensive agar TEK https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21922023
If you don’t want to pour and use petri dishes then Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976 is a good one that I've used. For grain I use wbs and Foo Man's WBS Method https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629#5265629 click on updated link. Pretty simple. I've done spore syringe to grain before with good success but most will tell you to do agar to grain cause spore syringes can be dirty. To prepare substrate I use BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162#24077162
And for growing I use shoeboxes and Bod's Easy AF SHOEBOXES STUPID SIMPLE https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=25274461&page=0&vc=1#25274461
A big thanks to all the posters above and all the excellent knowledge on this board in all forums. Don’t get overwhelmed or overthink things. Keep it as simple as possible IMO. And ask questions if you have any. Lots of great knowledgeable poster here.
I think the above will get you started and some knowledge of what you’re doing. Do the basics first then expand as you want.
Happy fruiting
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: Goatrider]
#26901796 - 08/27/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you buy it from them? I don't know if I can trust this site... after all, they haven't changed it since 2017.
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: krabi]
#26902106 - 08/27/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You mean Let`s grow mushrooms?
I swear you can trust the site  After payment you can download immediately, as the DVD edition is sold out.
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: Goatrider]
#26902181 - 08/27/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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RR's videos are golden
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: Goatrider]
#26909421 - 08/31/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks, man
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: Radikill]
#26909552 - 08/31/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi Everyone, I’ve been growing PFT with brown rice flour for a year or so, but have been scared of expanding my knowledge . I’m good at growing shrooms in jars, but I see the flushes that others produce, and I want to someday have the knowledge to do likewise . I bought a kit, and a few pre-sterilized jars of rye grain to start with, and have four syringes of spores. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding info on preparing the substrate that came with the kit? If I can someday be half assed as good as others, I’ll be a happy camper.
Thanks, Barry
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Re: Best Way to Get Started? [Re: BuddyRay]
#26909564 - 08/31/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you mean by a kit? A good level-up on the PF tek is using the cakes to spawn to bulk. IMO beyond that you really want to look at starting to work with agar so you can mitigate the quirks that come with working with MSS.
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