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#26877769 - 08/13/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've noticed my mycillium drys out rather quickly and I've been misting accordingly, my mycillium is bruising because of it drying out so fast, I pretty much mist every hour because of the fact. Anyways I was wondering if I'm getting mould or primordia or if is something all together that I am doing wrong anyways it's my first grow and my first time on the forum so go easy. Mush love
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Your explaining is totally pointless without pictures. Nobody can give you any advice without seeing the thing. Upload a pic to the site.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26877790 - 08/13/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I have figured it out I think. Sorry this site is janky on Mobil.
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The surface doesn't look bad overall. The patches that are blueeing are matted mycelium and this matting is precisely caused by too much misting. Now those patches are always going to look dry shortly after being misted, no matter how many times you mist. It's the way the mycelium has to protect itself from the misting assault.
Misting should be done sparingly or not at all and only when it's really necessary. When you mist, try to do it from a good distance above and at an angle, so tiny drops of moisture fall gently on the substrate.
I would quit the misting for now and leave that tub alone for a while to do its thing.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26877798 - 08/13/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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On a happier note, I think you are gonna be seeing pins pretty soon.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26877799 - 08/13/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright, what is a good sign I should mist again? I've read up on surface conditions however it seems to be dry literally every hour. Should I choke up the fae after misting or leave it alone?
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Also thank you brother I appreciate the speedy feedback
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Mushmouthman said: Alright, what is a good sign I should mist again? I've read up on surface conditions however it seems to be dry literally every hour. Should I choke up the fae after misting or leave it alone?
Reading up on surface conditions can be a bit of a double-edged sword for a beginner and can make you enter a state of paralysis through analysis.
Not all healthy grows are gonna show the same myc morphology on the surface of the tub and they're also gonna move water in different ways. So a surface with no water droplets at all on the surface might still be optimal for a particular culture, and by misting it for no good reason to achieve that "ideal" surface conditions look that you read about, you can actually be doing more harm than good.
You can also run into a culture where tiny drops of moisture are naturally present on the surface and maintaining that becomes easy with a prompt misting when needed. Likely, this type of cultures are going to be the perfet example of what you read on surface conditions. I'm not saying this information on surface conditions is misleading, it's just not complete IMO.
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Mushmouthman said: Alright, what is a good sign I should mist again?
You fucked up a little, surface is gonna keep looking dry on some areas, but misting more and more is gonna worsen the condition. Leave it in peace, myc won't recover if you keep misting. Everything looks fine, no need to worry.
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Mushmouthman said: Should I choke up the fae after misting or leave it alone?
Not al all, you should never choke up fae under any circumstances.
What setup are you rocking? Is that a dub tub configuration?
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26877901 - 08/13/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah 6qt dubtub, I waited until the substrate was fully colonized to start fruiting as well if that changes anything lol
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A dubtub uh? I think that's a big part of your problem then. A 6qt sub is too small for dubtubing and it's allowing a lot of air in and drying the surface much faster.
If you have the lid of that box, simply put it on normally and hopefully the surface will amend itself. No more misting.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26877922 - 08/13/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Josex said: A dubtub uh? I think that's a big part of your problem then. A 6qt sub is too small for dubtubing and it's allowing a lot of air in and drying the surface much faster.
If you have the lid of that box, simply put it on normally and hopefully the surface will amend itself. No more misting.
Maybe a thin casing layer 🤔? Might help the mycelium drying out as much
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Yea I also think adding a lil bit of coir on top right now is a good idea and also putting the lid on, not the dubtub.
Here's a link that OP might find useful. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24038695#24038695
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26877972 - 08/13/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've read a casing layer at this point will cause a bacterial problem though. I dont want to cause any issues when I've come this far ya know ✌🏼
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I don't think that's accurate information, nothing is gonna go bacterial if your grow wasn't bacterial to begin with. You should stick to the shroomery and leave those other weird places 😉
There's a thing called late casing, look it up. Your sub is already knotting up and it wouldn't be a good idea to add a coir layer on top at this point under normal circumstances. But in your case the surface is a little matted up and that extra humidity and protection from spray bottle wielders might do it a lot of good.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26878033 - 08/13/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spray bottle wielders killed me I appreciate the help
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Would coco coir and verm be an ok thing to do and how thick roughly should it be?
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Yes it would, just a finger or less.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26878050 - 08/13/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A finger? Like girth of the finger deep?
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Yeah sorry, girth of a finger. In Spain we use the term finger to measure depth, we're sophisticated like that 😎
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26878075 - 08/13/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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update we got pins brother, also haven't misted every hour so I think advice is working. Thank you brother
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Have you got rid of the dubtub? It's a tiny sub, just put on the lid that came with the box and switch back to the dubtub in the rare event your fruits grow to be lid pushers.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26878089 - 08/13/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah the lids are on as well
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Update on the tubs, they are teaming with pins.
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Now you can mist dude, things looking just a bit dry, a misting is gonna do wonders now. Misting when you have a pinset going ain't gonna hurt anything like the way you did before, just don't overdo it.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26887613 - 08/19/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Should I still leave the lid on or should I dub it at this point?
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No trust me, you don't need to dubtub it unless the shrooms grow so big that they push the lid. A sub that small can't be dubtubbed because it would dry out very quickly.
How's things going? You didn't post a pic today
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26887624 - 08/19/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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They have doubled about in size I'll post a pic in a little:)
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Are you keeping them in the dark? What kinds of holes do you have for FAE?
They could benefit from some lights and more air echange.
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Yeah they are in the dark because of the lids and from what I'm told the lids imperfections provide fae. Next time I'll buy tubs with clear lids so they can get light. I might even cut the liner back a bit so they can get light through the sides.
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Yeah a lil shoebox like that don't need no holes nor do they need a liner. I recommend you read the thread I linked to. Them shrooms need light man, a 12/12 hrs cycle, they're looking ghostly. Of all the things you can fuck up, don't let that be the one ffs
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26887631 - 08/19/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Should I maybe get clingy wrap and poke holes in it? As a replacement for a lid.
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I have a 3rd experiment tub with no liner that started to pin today as well. Its side pinning a lot though
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I didn't know the lid was dark man 
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That isn't a bad idea.
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Next time try to pack down the substrate more thoroughly around the edges. Make the surface as level as possible and make sure the conditions on the surface are ideal for pinning, otherwise you'll get side pins and/or bottom pins.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26887649 - 08/19/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Will no light completely destroy a grow? I can't get the clingy wrap until tomorrow.
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Maybe set one of the dub tubs on it as a pseudo lid
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Yeah it fucks them up. Your shrooms will definetly grow bigger with light instead of no light. You should also maby leave the lid completely off of it for a few hours every day to get air if you dont have any holes in it.
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Ovoidhunter said: You should also maby leave the lid completely off of it for a few hours every day to get air if you dont have any holes in it.
I think you didn't notice that OP's grow is just a tiny shoebox. The mechanics of a monotub don't apply here. You make holes in a little shoebox like that or even dubtub it like OP did and the sub is gonna dry out way faster than you'd like, which was his issue and the reason he made the thread to begin with.
Telling him to take the lid off for a few hours a day is a sure fire way to fuck up his grow.
The imperfect lid of a shoebox will let enough air in for such a tiny sub. And even with the lid on it isn't rare having to mist before getting a pinset.
Anyway, I'll leave this link here again so OP can see what we're talking about. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24038695#24038695
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26887699 - 08/19/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm gonna go to Walmart as soon as I can and grab clingy wrap. With that being said how should I go about fae. Pen sized holes? Needle sized holes? And how many. Like I've said this is my first grow and i really dont want to mess this up lol. I appreciate you guys for all the help
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Take a fork and stab the taut cling wrap like 5 or 6 times. Make more holes as the fruits keep getting bigger.
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A few hours may have been a little bit extensive but opening them ime is fine as long as you mist them good and keep good surface conditions. Can you explain why they're all choked out and skinny? If its not îts not fae then what is it I dont think just lack of light would make them be that skinny.
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Read the thread man...the surface dried out, was blueing and he misted it a lot every single hour, that's probably one of the reasons the fruits look like that along with keeping it in the dark. The dubtub allowed the surface to dry very fast and that was the start of his problems along with misting every single hour so the surface got matted up because of this. I prefer big tubs any time, but I've done my share of shoeboxes to know they lid on top lets more than enough air in for such a tiny sub. But you don't have to take my fucking word for it the link I provided is full of evidence of what I'm saying and you're gonna find in that thread many growers with those nifty tags doing exactly what I'm describing.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
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My bad, I jumped on this thread late. It looks like op has tape around the edges in those pictures tho but maby its just on one side. I also understand the concept of the dubtub and I didnt say that a dubtub provided inadequate FAE.. I'm sure they work good when used correctly. I've did my own version of a dubtub awhile back that did have holes tho. 🤷♂️
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The thing is, you can make anything work if you know what you're doing, barring a fruiting chamber that lets very little air in or none at all. Fuck you can even fruit open air if you have the time to babysit and be a slave to your grow. But a beginner would be better off sticking to proven methods until they know enough to play it by ear.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26889183 - 08/19/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was thinking about floating the sub, what are yalls thoughts?
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I have read somewhere that more moisture at this point produces bigger fruits. So thoughts on dunking the tubs?
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Still debating dunking....
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My advise would be just to constantly mist heavily unless your sub is excessively dry. I have some tubs running right now that are unfortunately on the dry side because I didn't hydrate my coir well enough. Misting seems to be doing enough for me, but your mileage may vary.
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Thats a phat pinset. Keep us updated on the grow
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Take a plastic grocery bag with a few small holes in it and pull it over the shoebox instead of another box on top.
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I tried plastic wrap with holes and it gave some of the pins serious fuzzy feet so I abandoned that idea...at this point I'm pretty sure fae and moisture are my best friends living in one of the driest states here. I am just babysitting the tubs and keeping a close eye on them. Being my first grow and having a dense pinset makes me super nervous lmao I dont wanna mess up this far into it
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Today's update, the pins seem to be going slow but still growing. I've heard it can take a week or two to have them fully grow but here are some pics. Lmk if you see anything I could be doing better.
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You should try this.
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Today's update, the pins seem to be going slow but still growing. I've heard it can take a week or two to have them fully grow but here are some pics. Lmk if you see anything I could be doing better.
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Idk why but it posted twice sorry guys.
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why is a plastic bag with holes, better than another tub on top
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I was thinking the same thing smalltalk_canceled
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Your grow is at a point where it needs way more FAE and humidity than before so it could def use some mistings without fear (looks a bit dry). The bag is not a bad idea (it's been done hundreds of times) and the dubtub neither at this point, just bare in mind that the dubtub will evaporate moisture off of the sub much faster than the bag. Still, these are just stopgaps and not ideal for a box that can only hold 6qts total and a sub that is so tiny. The lid on top would have suficed and would have let plenty of air in without drying things very fast in your dry ass climate.
Don't forget that you fucked up at first and let the surface get really matted and dry because of the dubtub. So next time you buy a shoebox make sure the lid is clear and the sides are higher than your current box and maybe leave the dubtub setup for way bigger subs.
Also, use the search engine to learn how to handle a shoebox, read the thread I provided, etc.. shit like that will reassure you and give you some peace of mind and guidance on what to do when you're a bit confused like right now. We're all giving you conflicting info but the thing is nobody really gave you bad advice, it's just that there are different ways to skin a cat. In the end it's all about striking a balance between humidity on the surface and rate of evaporation by adjusting FAE.
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Re: Help [Re: Josex]
#26892850 - 08/22/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I appreciate it josex you have been very helpful
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My first harvest was about a half oz dry here are some pics

Also the jar has about 3 grams of aborts dry.
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Here it is on the 3rd flush
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