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Grapefruit
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Cannabis smoking
#26877134 - 08/12/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What do you guys think? Net positive influence for the world overall or net negative?
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Hartford
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Net negative. It makes people lazy, disorganized, paranoid, and all that goes along with it. Leeches
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nooneman
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Net negative.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Cannabis smoking [Re: nooneman]
#26877181 - 08/12/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hard to use it effectively but very wonderful ineffectively.
more charming than not.
much preferred over alcohol.
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Ovoidhunter
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Net negative.
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redgreenvines
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there is a fine bubble hash (a), and a fine gum hash (b), both blond, high thc trichome powders (sold in a few stores in Toronto) that smoke to a fine white ash which easily blows away.
this clean ultra strong smoke affects the lungs the least yet provides that rapid smoked high.
One toke of this is a few hours of OEV patterns for me. the sense of energy moving through the body (time lapsed overlay of sensations) makes for a magical afternoon.
I do not much go for regular weed, or fancy smoking kits, just using a one hitter, and a sometimes length of plastic pipe to make the pocket one hitter smoke a bit cooler.
the Mazar Sharif hash is also delectible if you can find it.
yes it makes me lazy, not a bad thing for COVID, and I get to practice pretending to be awake.
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Lion
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Sometimes I think cannabis has ruined or set back my life in many ways. Years of abuse and addiction.
I'm still not sure whether cannabis mired me more deeply in a traumatized mind, or if it revealed to me the sources of the trauma, or neither exactly. It seems to draw out a lot of insights and also magnify a lot of neuroses and conditioned attitudes. I like using it these days to play music and see my body and mind's activities more clearly on an otherwise uneventful and boring night. A lot of the time it's too much and I regret it - it feels like all inner sensations are too heavily weighted and are exploding in my mind and nervous system.
Cannabis makes me realize the ways in which I don't know who and what I am, and makes me less able to directly, lucidly explain myself, my motivations, my thinking.
It also makes me feel a heightened (distorted? projected?) perception of other peoples' immediate states of mind, thoughts, possible body sensations and emotional needs - but less capable of acting in a way that would help to address those needs or positively affect those states of mind.
It's a good tool for immersion in something (music, drawing, hiking) but seems to just as easily lead to distraction.
Basically it's difficult for me to discern how much of these dynamics of cannabis use are innate qualities and how many of them are caused or amplified by the society I live in and the ways that I've been conditioned to behave, think and feel.
I'll add that I would rather spend the majority of my life not high on cannabis, and not particularly high on anything, but I have my secret sacred relationship with intoxication and cannabis is one of the dance partners.
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Kickle
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Grapefruit said: What do you guys think? Net positive influence for the world overall or net negative?
specifically smoking? I'd say a net negative in recent history for humanitarian reasons. Excessive incarceration, intolerance, resentment, fear, and in those who partake an excess usage and underground organization as counter swing of the pendulum. Both sides often feel pretty extreme to me.
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DividedQuantum
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I would say probably not much of a factor in terms of the operation of society, but pumping billions into cartels over the decades is certainly a net negative. If one uses legal weed, and can manage not to smoke more than twice a month, I'd say you can get some consistent positives out of it. Otherwise, I'd say it's mostly very suboptimal.
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The Blind Ass
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Re: Cannabis smoking [Re: Lion] 1
#26877466 - 08/12/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my experience:
Used regularly = net negative Used sparingly in moderation for medicinal benefits = net positive
Also, smoking it is risky & also never entirely pleasant nor satisfying to me. But Edibles...always pleasant!
Legit benefits that I’ve experienced.
(sparingly used or short term use only bc long term it has significant diminishing positive returns & increasingly significant negative returns / consequences:
(With the right dose, strain, etc etc)
Analgesia- Arthritic pains & Neuralgias Anxiolytic Antiemetic Appetite Stimulant Euphoriant Psychedelic Hypotensive agent Insomnia *Some seizure disorders Attenuating Opiate/oid withdrawal syndrome (Both the acute phase & post acute phase)
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An appropriate addition to most any householder’s medicine cabinet. But that’s about as far as it goes in my life. In the year 2020 I believe I’ve taken cannabis a total of 20 times, I think by the end of the year that number will be at about 30 or 40. That’s seems to be my sweet spot.
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Kickle
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yeah I'm an edible kind of guy too
I've also really been drawn to blends lately. Get the right strain with the right herbal supplements and IME you can hone the effects you want to a degree that really suits a more sensitive pallet nicely.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Cannabis smoking [Re: Kickle]
#26877879 - 08/13/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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there is a sense of relief too same as reaching for a beer which is cool, wet, cleansing, and bubbly one breath of bubble hash or gum hash is a nice cap to a full day, one can spread their wings.
I think that capping the day in the morning would be very hard on what comes next. definitely 4:20PM and later for this side of life.
if you do it too early it's just not kosher. (except maybe on holiday at the beach)
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Grapefruit
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To the people who asked if I wanted to include the incarceration worries and cartel stuff in it that's a no because it varies from country to country anyway, and could be easily changed with legal amendments. As to smoking or edibles, smoking is the usual way for the drug to be imbibed in modern society as I understand, but it's been interesting to hear the comparisons made between the two. Lots of food for thought in this thread.
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Lion
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The Blind Ass said: In my experience:
Used regularly = net negative Used sparingly in moderation for medicinal benefits = net positive
Also, smoking it is risky & also never entirely pleasant nor satisfying to me. But Edibles...always pleasant!
Legit benefits that I’ve experienced.
(sparingly used or short term use only bc long term it has significant diminishing positive returns & increasingly significant negative returns / consequences:
(With the right dose, strain, etc etc)
Analgesia- Arthritic pains & Neuralgias Anxiolytic Antiemetic Appetite Stimulant Euphoriant Psychedelic Hypotensive agent Insomnia *Some seizure disorders Attenuating Opiate/oid withdrawal syndrome (Both the acute phase & post acute phase)
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An appropriate addition to most any householder’s medicine cabinet. But that’s about as far as it goes in my life. In the year 2020 I believe I’ve taken cannabis a total of 20 times, I think by the end of the year that number will be at about 30 or 40. That’s seems to be my sweet spot.
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Kickle said: yeah I'm an edible kind of guy too
I've also really been drawn to blends lately. Get the right strain with the right herbal supplements and IME you can hone the effects you want to a degree that really suits a more sensitive pallet nicely.
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redgreenvines said: there is a sense of relief too same as reaching for a beer which is cool, wet, cleansing, and bubbly one breath of bubble hash or gum hash is a nice cap to a full day, one can spread their wings.
I think that capping the day in the morning would be very hard on what comes next. definitely 4:20PM and later for this side of life.
if you do it too early it's just not kosher. (except maybe on holiday at the beach)
I enjoyed all of these posts & mostly agree with them.
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Re: Cannabis smoking [Re: Lion]
#26878661 - 08/13/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Depends what society is aiming for. More chill vibes bro so I'd say net positive aside from the violence and negativity it could encourage but that is not a cannabis problem.
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Forrester
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Wow, surprised to see so many answers to the negative. Although I agree fully.
I think the fact that it's "better than alcohol" and far less dangerous, disguises for a great many people how habit forming and unhelpful it can be to them.
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ashfiken
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Re: Cannabis smoking [Re: Forrester] 1
#26880378 - 08/14/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think this depends.. net positive or net negative white or black? Isn’t there so much that is gray? If we are supposed to be trained productive labor monkeys then it’s probably net negative bc it def promotes the chill in us apes.. However if we are supposed to be laying around finding our way to gain food whether through work or trade or some other means..and doing a lot of procreating and grooming and tripping in our various entheogenic plants and mushies then it’s a positive medicine and tool for pain and inflammation and anxiety.. Gray like so many things
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redgreenvines
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Re: Cannabis smoking [Re: ashfiken]
#26881058 - 08/15/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ashfiken said: I think this depends.. net positive or net negative white or black? Isn’t there so much that is gray? If we are supposed to be trained productive labor monkeys then it’s probably net negative bc it def promotes the chill in us apes.. However if we are supposed to be laying around finding our way to gain food whether through work or trade or some other means..and doing a lot of procreating and grooming and tripping in our various entheogenic plants and mushies then it’s a positive medicine and tool for pain and inflammation and anxiety.. Gray like so many things
OK POSITIVE 85% only difficult when we have to schlepp through some slog that must be done by a responsible adult.
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ashfiken
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I can live with that percentile.. 15% to those who abuse it or cannot find a way to use it and schlepp thru the slog responsibly. Or who feel it is their duty to be productive monkeys
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