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OfflineMcDominator
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Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) * 3
    #26873700 - 08/10/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hi! I will try to be brief, let me know if you need details.

I've been hoping my wife would join me for a trip for a year. She finally came around to the idea. At first she hated anything to do with it. Now she wants me to make this happen. How do I not fuck this up? :laugh:

I've been through hell and back over the course of maybe 15 trips, so I think I'm a pretty good sitter at this point, but I don't know what to expect from the female psyche and want to be armed as much as possible. We have a great set and setting, she trusts the hell out of me, and I have enlightened her as to the many great and not so fun (but also great) possibilities of tripping. I feel as prepared as I can be, but again, just don't want to screw this up. Was thinking about starting her on 2.5g cubes (mix of B+ and teachers).

Thanks!


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OfflineLosTresOjos
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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: McDominator]
    #26875869 - 08/11/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Females? Oh man way over my head here.


  My gf said probably the same as a man...


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26875874 - 08/11/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26875882 - 08/11/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

At a high enough dose, there's no difference between the male and female psyche, so you're all good.

Seriously though, if she wants to do it, 2.5 g cubes should be good. Are you tripping too, or just being the sober sitter? I'd recommend the latter because it's easy to freak out if you start tripping too hard and can't worry about making sure she's okay.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #26875888 - 08/11/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Not a girl, but if you want to lessen the chances of a freak out/scare away, even though it may be just fine, i'd recommend getting ahold of some dried Lemon Balm leaf and making a tea from 3.5 to 4.5 grams, just weigh out 3.5 to 4.5 grams of the dried leaf, steep it into a cup of hot water for 15 minutes covered with a lid, and then sift/filter out the plant material (making sure to squeeze out the plant material), sweeten the cup of tea if desired and drink that with the mushrooms. Lemon Balm inhibits GABA Transaminase and raises GABA levels, it's like a natural GABAergic relaxant and reduces anxiety and panic and makes the come up smoother. My gf has tried Lemon Balm with 4-ACO-DMT, and Psilohuasca using 4-ACO and Syrian Rue, and she definitely likes it, and so far prefers her Psychedelics with the Lemon Balm included. It doesn't seem to dull anything down, it's pretty clearheaded, it simply helps to take the edge off a bit and gives the experience a nice flavor. It's a good option for a beginner, think of it as training wheels in a way, she can try it out like that the first few times or so, and then when she feels like she's got a good grip on things, try it without the Lemon Balm.

Me personally, i work with Ayahuasca although i haven't taken it in a good while, but after a year or so of taking it without Lemon Balm, once i found Lemon Balm i started including it all the time, because it makes the oral DMT more comfortable and less edgy. I've also tried it out with Psilohuasca and my gf personally prefers Psilohuasca so far over straight mushrooms or 4-ACO, so i'd also recommend checking that out, like for you personally, and after you see what it's like for you, with or without Lemon Balm included, maybe recommend it for her to try? Psilohuasca is in some ways more manageable/tolerable than straight mushrooms or 4-ACO because it's more clearheaded and also has the Harmala's relaxant properties so in a way one is less likely to freak out on Psilohuasca compared to straight mushrooms or 4-ACO even though i'm sure it can still happen it's just less likely. I've seen quite a few posts from people who say once they went the Psilohuasca route they never looked back to straight mushrooms. With the Psilohuasca route just make sure y'all aren't taking any contraindicated medications that interact with MAO-A inhibition or that would be potentiated by CYP2D6 or CYP1A2 inhibition, other than that you'll be golden. Also keep in mind the MAO-A inhibition can potentiate the Psilocin, so mushroom dosage would be potentiated but my gf has tried 20 to 25mgs of 4-ACO by itself and with 2 to 2.5 grams of Syrian Rue and preferred it with the Rue so even though it was a bit stronger, it was a way better experience for her.

But yeah, definitely check out the Lemon Balm, it's good for beginners imo.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: breeg89] * 1
    #26875889 - 08/11/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

She will feed of your nervousness at calmness.
Be calm.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #26875973 - 08/11/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

pineninja said:
She will feed of your nervousness at calmness.
Be calm.




This ☝️, is something to be mindful of (ie - maintain remembrance). 

If you & her both trip together, and if, after coming up, it becomes apparent that she’s not a “natural”... do be extra gently mindful that she may be knowingly or unknowingly feeding of you ( and in turn, you off her) & the surroundings in much the same way our beloved canine companions do.  All my trips in the past 10 or so years have been solo, but I’m slowly coming around to the idea of the sharing the psychedelic experience with another person.  You sir are lucky!

Be sure to allow each-other plenty of space to both be simultaneously perfect & flawed.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26876059 - 08/11/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yep.

Leave your judgements of each other at the door.
Safe space.

It's ok to separate for private space it's very rare that the while thing will sync for the whole time.you may have moments but don't force it.

Sometimes silence is the antidote.:elmo:


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #26876838 - 08/12/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks everyone.

Definitely no judgments from me, I always tell her that the experience is highly personal.

I will be sitting sober, unfortunately  :bored:

And I am a pretty cool, calm, and collected kind of guy. No worries there. I will be her rock if she needs me :smile:

I'm probably just overthinking it per usual :scaryshroom:


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: McDominator] * 5
    #26877008 - 08/12/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Looking for female psychonaughts!

A pile of dudes show up. :lol:


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26877071 - 08/12/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's a ridiculous question...


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26877102 - 08/12/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LosTresOjos said:
It's a ridiculous question...




Shots fired...

I know I know. Just didn't want to screw up my only opportunity :frown: it's a miracle this is happening at all.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: McDominator]
    #26877142 - 08/12/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

most of my female friends love tripping :wink:


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice : [Re: epilectric]
    #26877197 - 08/12/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I thought it was ridiculous but I asked my gf the serious question and that's what she said.  She looked at me like wtf??


Try to not overthink this good opportunity. Just dose and chill.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: McDominator] * 1
    #26877325 - 08/12/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm reading a book right now on psychedelics -- this one:



The author has been going in depth about some psilocybin research trials at Johns Hopkins. He spoke to many of the participants who agreed to trip in the name of research, and these were all first timers I believe, and he said that they all pretty much said the same thing...and that's that when you fight it, and try to hold onto reality, that's when fear and anxiety takeover. The sitters who observed them would tell the participants to relax and just completely let go. Don't fight it.

And all of them said after they were told that, they would go on to have spectacular, and in some cases life altering (and thoroughly enjoyable) experiences.

I would remind her that. To not fight it and go against it, but instead just let go.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26877561 - 08/12/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The first lesson.

Are you truly in control...or just think you are.

We walk around lauding ourselves for the control we think we have.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26878036 - 08/13/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Sabnock said:
Lemon Balm inhibits GABA Transaminase and raises GABA levels, it's like a natural GABAergic relaxant and reduces anxiety and panic and makes the come up smoother.




This is excellent advice. Lemon Balm is always growing in my yard, dried, and kept in the kitchen cabinet. It is wonderful as a relaxing tea all by itself. It can also be mixed with other relaxing herbs such as lavender, chamomile, and valerian for a tea to reduce insomnia.

Adding lavender and chamomile can make the lemon balm tea more palatable.


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: NeuroMyc] * 1
    #26878043 - 08/13/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

NeuroMyc said:
Quote:

Sabnock said:
Lemon Balm inhibits GABA Transaminase and raises GABA levels, it's like a natural GABAergic relaxant and reduces anxiety and panic and makes the come up smoother.




This is excellent advice. Lemon Balm is always growing in my yard, dried, and kept in the kitchen cabinet. It is wonderful as a relaxing tea all by itself. It can also be mixed with other relaxing herbs such as lavender, chamomile, and valerian for a tea to reduce insomnia.

Adding lavender and chamomile can make the lemon balm tea more palatable.




Oh yes! I forgot to add that I already use lemon balm on all of my trips! I also added l-theanine as well. Makes for a smooth ride.


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“It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.”

-Albert Einstein


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: McDominator]
    #26882753 - 08/16/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm trying to get my wife on board with mushies, when I eventually do.
I think its going be around 2g. Both tripping somewhere with an amazing view


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Re: Female Psychonaughts! I need advice :) [Re: Graymaster]
    #26884331 - 08/17/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Okay. So, we did it. Holy SHIT what a trip that was. We ended up doing it at night and doing it together! But we ran into a bit of a problem. I don't know what the hell I pulled out of that bag, but she did 2.5 and I did 3.5 and the trip was insane. I blended the 6g together in a coffee grinder to get a better average psilocybin content. It was one of the most intense trips I've ever had. I felt it kicking in pretty hard after 15 MINUTES, that's when I put on my "oh shit" face. Luckily I consider myself a pro at this point so I immediately kicked into trip survival mode.

I basically spent the entire peak just keeping her from spiraling into a bad trip. I cracked lots of jokes to keep her laughing and she just kept looping and I had to keep her from going off the deep end. But I'm proud of myself because I did it man :grin:

I explained to her that this was NOT what I intended for her at all and that next time she's getting 1.5 and I'm getting 2.5 and we will work our way up from there. She mostly did this out of curiosity and for therapeutic reasons. It was absolutely insane, but she's got a couple of pages of notes of things to integrate and is willing to try again so I'd call it a success.

Now, I'm just analyzing where the hell I went wrong. I just did 3.5 not too long ago and it was like a quarter of the intensity of this trip. My thinking is that it is a combination of the following:

Strong feelings for the wife (never did it with her before)

Strong feelings in our house (only the second time I've tripped in our house. The first time I did though was the hardest trip I've ever had.)

And I must have pulled some fucking shady ass shroom out of that bag that was packing some heat. WTF!

What do you think? Is my analysis good? Am I missing something? Can B+ and Teachers really vary that much in potency? What the hell happened!? :lmafo:


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“It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.”

-Albert Einstein


Edited by McDominator (08/17/20 06:36 AM)


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