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Martinsapin
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Bucket tek moisture content is insane
#26876649 - 08/12/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The tek calls for the water weight to be 5x the weight of coir.
It goes like this
650(a brick) x 5 = 3250 3250 + 650 = 3900 total weight of sub 3250/3900 = 83% water content AND thats not counting the water already in the brick which bring us closer to a 85%.
ludacris.
Knowing that when I make my HWFP bags with soy hull or bran if I go over 60% water its gonna be an anaerobical bacterial fuckfest.
what you gourmet and medicinal growers think ?
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Martinsapin]
#26876745 - 08/12/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not sure what you're even talking about with that coir ratio shit up there. For supplemented production blocks you don't want to go over 60% aim between 50-60%
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26632628
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26876767 - 08/12/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: For supplemented production blocks you don't want to go over 60% aim between 50-60%
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26632628
yeah sir
bucket tek calls for an insane amount of water dont you think
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Martinsapin]
#26876774 - 08/12/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe? I haven't looked at a bucket tek in a very long time. I recommend finding your own proper moisture content for your particular coir.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26876784 - 08/12/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ive grown my share of cubes man, Im just astonished to realize the moisture content...
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Martinsapin]
#26877365 - 08/12/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This might not be the most professional answer but whenever I do a bucket I soak the wood shavings that Im transferring the block to. In the morning I just squeeze the wood shavings and layer them with the busted block. The 3/16 drain holes in the bottom of the bucket do the rest. Could the moisture technically be imperfect? Sure. Do the buckets produce awesome clusters anyway? Yep.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: sendmehummus]
#26877474 - 08/12/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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One liter of water weighs almost exactly one kilogram, so if you are doing a small run you can just put your dry ingredients in the bag, weigh out the amount of water and then add to bag. For a large batch you know how much your substrate weighs, so use a flow meter or some kind of analog measuring device to hydrate at 60% of your substrate weight using a tub with a mixer without having to resort to weighing the water.
It's super easy.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26877955 - 08/13/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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forget it...
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Martinsapin]
#26878067 - 08/13/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean, unless you just posted to say "hey guy's, crazy amount of water, amirite"
So the way I do coir:
650g coir to 8 cups verm, hydrated with 8 cups h20.
8 cups of water is 1886.94 gr which is 290% the dry weight of coir, so yes, quite a bit when compared to the ratio used for gourmet. The difference likely lies in coir/vermiculites ability to retain water without being sopping wet. Sawdust doesn't compare
I'm not at home so I can't weight the verm, I doubt that the dry weight would make a considerable impact on the outcome however, it's obviously very light.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26878572 - 08/13/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just figure out the water content...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26632628
HWFP should be much dryer than coir from my experience.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26878677 - 08/13/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cubes are generally spawned at a higher ratio than gourmets as well. While not dry per se, the additional grains I feel like would contribute to lowering the overall water content of the substrate.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26878719 - 08/13/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: Just figure out the water content...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26632628
HWFP should be much dryer than coir from my experience.
That was the first link that I supplied; )
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Munchauzen]
#26878774 - 08/13/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: Just figure out the water content...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26632628
HWFP should be much dryer than coir from my experience.
That was the first link that I supplied; )
I never clicked on it sorry.
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Munchauzen said: Cubes are generally spawned at a higher ratio than gourmets as well. While not dry per se, the additional grains I feel like would contribute to lowering the overall water content of the substrate.
The grains should be fully hydrated so they will not reduce the moisture content. You do not need the spawn ratio most people use. I use 4 ozs for a 5 lb bag and my bags are done in 10 days or less.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26878868 - 08/13/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
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Munchauzen said: Cubes are generally spawned at a higher ratio than gourmets as well. While not dry per se, the additional grains I feel like would contribute to lowering the overall water content of the substrate.
The grains should be fully hydrated so they will not reduce the moisture content. You do not need the spawn ratio most people use. I use 4 ozs for a 5 lb bag and my bags are done in 10 days or less.
naw grains lose a lot of moisture during colonization. the mycelium consumes and uses the water, and of course some will evaporate off. some TCs dunk their grains before spawning because this. I don't use this method, but some do https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982
try weighing some prepped grains versus the same amount of colonized grains
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Munchauzen]
#26878879 - 08/13/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the mycelium consumes it, it has to still be in the mycelium, no? You only lose what evaporates. Water's gotta go somewhere.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: Munchauzen]
#26878890 - 08/13/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
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Munchauzen said: Cubes are generally spawned at a higher ratio than gourmets as well. While not dry per se, the additional grains I feel like would contribute to lowering the overall water content of the substrate.
The grains should be fully hydrated so they will not reduce the moisture content. You do not need the spawn ratio most people use. I use 4 ozs for a 5 lb bag and my bags are done in 10 days or less.
naw grains lose a lot of moisture during colonization. the mycelium consumes and uses the water, and of course some will evaporate off. some TCs dunk their grains before spawning because this. I don't use this method, but some do https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982
try weighing some prepped grains versus the same amount of colonized grains
Of course, prepped grains will weigh differently than colonized grains. You have mycelium growing on the colonized grains. But I would assume the colonized grains will lose some water weight do to the mycelium using the water. Anyweigh my point being I believe any change in water content will be negligible. Especially in my case where I only use 4 ozs of spawn per 5 lb bag.
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26879018 - 08/13/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: my point being I believe any change in water content will be negligible.
I agree, unless you let them sit a long time and get super dry (evaporation).
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Re: Bucket tek moisture content is insane [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26879020 - 08/13/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah guys I know to bucket tek lol.
just sharing my surprise when I calculated the water ratio of this recipe vs sawdust bags.
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