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OfflinePatlal
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Kamala Harris gets the veep pick.
    #26875312 - 08/11/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thoughts on this?

Did Biden (whoever told him) make the riht choice?

Does this help him or go against him?

Thoughts on Kamala?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26875330 - 08/11/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Who cares. He could have nominated a retarded fish and I’d still vote for him.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods] * 3
    #26875352 - 08/11/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trump approves of Kamala Harris



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods]
    #26875367 - 08/11/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Who cares. He could have nominated a retarded fish and I’d still vote for him.



I care.  I could have held my nose for Biden if he had a better VP pick, since that's who will ultimately lead the country.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 6
    #26875394 - 08/11/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why was it automatically a women? Shouldn't it have been you know the most qualified person for the position regardless of thier race or gender? Why do these people get a pass for being racist and sexist? Very frustrating. Is everyone just a sack of human garbage?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26875395 - 08/11/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Kamala Harris took money from Trump."

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26875401 - 08/11/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26875405 - 08/11/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why was it automatically a women? Shouldn't it have been you know the most qualified person for the position regardless of thier race or gender? Why do these people get a pass for being racist and sexist? Very frustrating. Is everyone just a sack of human garbage?




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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26875410 - 08/11/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

well thats likely just going to piss people off more so u made them mor obstinate and gave them more ammo way to listen to Pdiddy retards


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26875414 - 08/11/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I swear the God the democratic leader ship is actively trying to fuck up what should be the easiest election in history. Theres no way their that dumb. I mean who does that pander to at all. Its just so fucking dumb.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #26875422 - 08/11/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:puke:

Terrible choice, maybe among the worst he could have made.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26875424 - 08/11/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26875427 - 08/11/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Bro it makes the people who were 1000% already going to vote for him happy and thats whats important not the throngs who were on the fence he just pissed off or winning the election. Evidently thats whats important bro


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26875430 - 08/11/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

p diddy is one the biggest jackasses on the planet he would be nothing without big or bad boy and you idiots gave him way too much money


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26875470 - 08/11/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods]
    #26875480 - 08/11/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

6 million is like chump change thats like one whale


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods] * 3
    #26875533 - 08/11/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods]
    #26875643 - 08/11/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Who cares. He could have nominated a retarded fish and I’d still vote for him.




What about a retarded turkey?

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #26875704 - 08/11/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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:puke:

Terrible choice, maybe among the worst he could have made.




Yet, it's a smart choice to win the election. Harris is a non-white female, it doesn't get any better. She also is a good public speaker, much better than Biden or Trump.

Is she a nasty Establishment cunt?  Absolutely, but the vast majority of the voting population doesn't look at it in those terms.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman] * 4
    #26875726 - 08/11/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its actually pretty pathetic he picked someone based on their gender and skin color


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
    #26875737 - 08/11/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Isn’t that why Trump picked Pence ?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2] * 4
    #26875747 - 08/11/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Judging by your criteria Obama did the same thing  :lol: :cookiemonster:


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #26875775 - 08/11/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That senile fool backed himself into a corner once he told everyone he was going to pick a black woman for his running mate. Trump just won the election TODAY.


Donald Trump is going to drag his nutsack across every last one of all leftists face this November. I can't wait.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #26875780 - 08/11/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol

It’s going to be humiliating when he gets his ass handed to him by a senile old man.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MightyWhite] * 4
    #26875786 - 08/11/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Biden lost my vote today.  Though I don't plan to vote for Trump either.

Right now, I'm either Howie Hawkins (Green Party), or maybe I'll write in Bernie Sanders.

We'll see, there's still time.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods]
    #26875790 - 08/11/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:nicetry:


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26875808 - 08/11/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Biden lost my vote today.  Though I don't plan to vote for Trump either.

Right now, I'm either Howie Hawkins (Green Party), or maybe I'll write in Bernie Sanders.

We'll see, there's still time.




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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26875818 - 08/11/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Judging by your criteria Obama did the same thing  :lol:




  Neither Obama or Biden had to have a running mate with matching skin color .
They are the least racist presidential candidates in the history of our country .


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26875820 - 08/11/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

To be fair neither does Trump


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2] * 4
    #26875822 - 08/11/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Whys skin color so important to you? Whatever happened to picking based on merit?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
    #26875825 - 08/11/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Its actually pretty pathetic he picked someone based on their gender and skin color




It is, but today it's completely acceptable to discriminate based on gender and race if it negatively affects males or whites.

The fact that Biden specifically stated it was going to be a non-white female months ahead of time is a perfect example.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26875883 - 08/11/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Whys skin color so important to you? Whatever happened to picking based on merit?




  I didn’t say it’s important to me , I pointed out  two people who didn’t find it important to them personally . That makes 3 of us I guess .
 
  You like Trump and you think something like merit is supposed  to be a serious consideration for other people  ?  Figures .


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #26875892 - 08/11/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Safe pick because he needed to make a safe pick.

People are looking for a stability with little surprise.
If his first major decision was unpredictable and a surprise he would've alienated many.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman] * 1
    #26875893 - 08/11/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The fact that Biden specifically stated it was going to be a non-white female months ahead of time is a perfect example.





 
    Dude is trolling you already . I hope the only thing he does is troll his haters with nonsense like that .  Hope you don’t mind me accusing you of having BDS 10,000 times .
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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26875901 - 08/11/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a Kamala fan, but she is better than Pence.

I guess the HDS has already begun. She wasn't even picked on merit, or so some say.


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    #26875969 - 08/11/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck them , the Vice Presidents merit isn’t for us to determine , if it was Biden’s runner up would be the Vice .
  Women of color have been the backbone of the Democratic Party for a long time .
  Seems like a solid choice to me .


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26875972 - 08/11/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Didn't you hear, she is black and a woman! There's no way she has more job experience than Trump!


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26875979 - 08/11/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trump has never been in any kind of position where he had to be held responsible for his actions or accountable to another human being .  That’s why he’s such a worthless piece of shit and sucks at everything .


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26875983 - 08/11/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

The fact that Biden specifically stated it was going to be a non-white female months ahead of time is a perfect example.





 
    Dude is trolling you already . I hope the only thing he does is troll his haters with nonsense like that .  Hope you don’t mind me accusing you of having BDS 10,000 times .
  What goes around comes around and I enjoy making sure it arrives on time .




Wouldn't a troll be suggesting he's going to nominate a non-white female and then not doing it?  I don't see the troll in this case. :shrug:


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    #26875986 - 08/11/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump has never been in any kind of position where he had to be held responsible for his actions or accountable to another human being .  That’s why he’s such a worthless piece of shit and sucks at everything .




It's time to recover from the TDS, there's just a few months left at this point. Why keep going down that hole, move on already.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26876149 - 08/12/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:waitthatsbad:  :panic:

The democratic party is trying too hard to loose at this point and Binden is senile to the 10th degree.
Looks like trumps going to have a little better chance now unless people have become as senile as Binden. 

Exhibit A.



Mabye she will fix the economy with privet prisons if given the chance. :schadenfreude:


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26876219 - 08/12/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Whys skin color so important to you? Whatever happened to picking based on merit?




  I didn’t say it’s important to me , I pointed out  two people who didn’t find it important to them personally . That makes 3 of us I guess .
 
  You like Trump and you think something like merit is supposed  to be a serious consideration for other people  ?  Figures .



The difference here is that trump bet on himself and won an uphill election based on his own merits, while Harris was handpicked by Biden because apparently she's a colored woman.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman] * 1
    #26876226 - 08/12/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
Its actually pretty pathetic he picked someone based on their gender and skin color




It is, but today it's completely acceptable to discriminate based on gender and race if it negatively affects males or whites.

The fact that Biden specifically stated it was going to be a non-white female months ahead of time is a perfect example.



Just imagine the the fit blm would throw if trump or anyone else for that matter had publicly announced that they would handpick a white male months ahead of time


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26876473 - 08/12/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its infuriating when will the racism end. If your retards lose this election by continuing to be shitty assholes to one another after letting scumbags burn down my cities I will never forget it.


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    #26876474 - 08/12/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Patlal]
    #26876485 - 08/12/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Pfft cmon, Tervor. Harris is like the female counterpart to Joe Biden when it comes to how many black people she helped lock away. She got that BIIIIG money from prisons.

Kamala Harris shouldn't be here right now. The left is insanely desperate.

Watch this video at the 3:45 mark and then ask why any sane American would allow this woman to be our president.



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26876513 - 08/12/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its very upsetting.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Patlal]
    #26876573 - 08/12/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Im super psyched for this. Im definitely voting for Biden now. I was planning on voting for Harris but of course she dropped out of the Presidential Race.


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    #26876584 - 08/12/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Biden Pick His VP -- KAMALA Is A Cop!"


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    #26876604 - 08/12/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Im super psyched for this. Im definitely voting for Biden now. I was planning on voting for Harris but of course she dropped out of the Presidential Race.




Are you oblivious to her record, or like her position on drugs?

https://reason.com/video/kamala-harris-drug-warrior-vice-cop-draconian-prosecutor/


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    #26876606 - 08/12/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Im honestly surprised BLM is OK with Biden picking a prosecutor for VP.


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    #26876612 - 08/12/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Im super psyched for this. Im definitely voting for Biden now. I was planning on voting for Harris but of course she dropped out of the Presidential Race.




Are you oblivious to her record, or like her position on drugs?

https://reason.com/video/kamala-harris-drug-warrior-vice-cop-draconian-prosecutor/




Lets let the past be the past :sadyes:

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    #26876624 - 08/12/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Im honestly surprised BLM is OK with Biden picking a prosecutor for VP.




I don't think BLM even gets political or involved with specific laws and policies. I mean Biden's track record is horrible for blacks in the US and Harris is no different. Do they even pay attention to those facts?  I don't know.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
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its 2020 and Americans still hvnt noticed there corporatocracy is theater


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    #26876771 - 08/12/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I noticed There’s a fucking corporation owning , casino bankrupting , gameshow host In the whitehouse. What I can’t believe is that people actually thought that was the solution to corporations having  to much influence .


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    #26876884 - 08/12/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Im super psyched for this. Im definitely voting for Biden now. I was planning on voting for Harris but of course she dropped out of the Presidential Race.




Are you oblivious to her record, or like her position on drugs?

https://reason.com/video/kamala-harris-drug-warrior-vice-cop-draconian-prosecutor/




LOL, right?

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    #26876987 - 08/12/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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In her recent book, The Truths We Hold: An American Journey, Harris reveals that her drug warrior mentality hasn't changed; it's just that her emphasis has shifted. Now she's hoping to funnel even more funds to law enforcement to "cut off the supply of fentanyl from China," and to "reinstate the DEA's [Drug Enforcement Administration] authority to go after the major pharmaceutical manufacturers and distributors."




https://reason.com/video/kamala-harris-drug-warrior-vice-cop-draconian-prosecutor/

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    #26877020 - 08/12/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Thoughts on Kamala?



She's... fine. I'll vote for Biden, reluctantly. I'm frustrated with this bullshit two-party system we have going on, but I still value democracy enough to participate in it.

As for Kamala specifically, I think it's a good thing that she represents women and people of color, which is obviously an angle Biden's campaign is trying to pander to. I think it's kind of a cheap political tactic, but I also think diverse representation in our government is a positive thing, so I can't really complain. It's the sort of thing I roll my eyes about, but I'm still happy with the consequences.

In general, that's exactly how I feel about Harris: I roll my eyes a little bit about it, but I'm still ultimately okay with the final outcome. For example, for a long time earlier in her career, she opposed legalization of marijuana in California. However, she changed positions on that eventually, and is now in favor of legal marijuana. The best way to describe it is that she followed the tides of progressive change, rather than leading the tides of progressive change, and this is a pattern you can find in many other issues she's been involved with politically (mass-incarceration, etc.). To that end, I'm frustrated that we don't have someone who has, historically, been a leader for social change as the candidate, but ultimately, I'm glad that she stands where she does now.

She also comes bundled up with the typical frustrations I have with the American Democratic party right now, which is mainly that their candidates aren't left-leaning enough for me to fully support their policies. When it comes to the military and government social programs, Democrats aren't left-leaning enough for me. The mainstream candidate I supported the most at the very beginning of this election season was Bernie Sanders. I'm still sad about what could have been if we weren't so focused on beating Trump that we overlooked discussion of actual policies.

Finally, I'll say that I think that choosing Kamala Harris was an enormous risk in light of recent events: namely, the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement. Harris is a former police officer and, more recently, a state prosecutor. In other words, she participated in the systemically racist institutions that led to the uprising of BLM. I'm very concerned that this is going to hurt Biden's campaign, especially with the younger generations.

Time will tell if this was a good enough choice to win the election. Should be interesting either way :shrug:


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26877072 - 08/12/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Im honestly surprised BLM is OK with Biden picking a prosecutor for VP.




You dont seem to understand how identy politics work. She is black and a woman and nothing else matters, she could be literally Hitler and would still be the perfect fit for the current zeitgeist.

Who cares that she's basically the worst pick since criminal justice reform is what is the most pressing issue today?
She's black plus female, thus awesome, just like koods cause hes gay and I'm too because I'm handicapped.

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    #26877243 - 08/12/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
Quote:

Herbologist said:
Im honestly surprised BLM is OK with Biden picking a prosecutor for VP.




You dont seem to understand how identy politics work. She is black and a woman and nothing else matters, she could be literally Hitler and would still be the perfect fit for the current zeitgeist.






i unfortunately have to agree with you here


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    #26877255 - 08/12/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You think she could literally be Hitler and would be a viable VP candidate as a German Nazi party leader?

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    #26877540 - 08/12/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Nonagon Infinity said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Thoughts on Kamala?



She's... fine. I'll vote for Biden, reluctantly. I'm frustrated with this bullshit two-party system we have going on, but I still value democracy enough to participate in it.

As for Kamala specifically, I think it's a good thing that she represents women and people of color, which is obviously an angle Biden's campaign is trying to pander to. I think it's kind of a cheap political tactic, but I also think diverse representation in our government is a positive thing, so I can't really complain. It's the sort of thing I roll my eyes about, but I'm still happy with the consequences.

In general, that's exactly how I feel about Harris: I roll my eyes a little bit about it, but I'm still ultimately okay with the final outcome. For example, for a long time earlier in her career, she opposed legalization of marijuana in California. However, she changed positions on that eventually, and is now in favor of legal marijuana. The best way to describe it is that she followed the tides of progressive change, rather than leading the tides of progressive change, and this is a pattern you can find in many other issues she's been involved with politically (mass-incarceration, etc.). To that end, I'm frustrated that we don't have someone who has, historically, been a leader for social change as the candidate, but ultimately, I'm glad that she stands where she does now.

She also comes bundled up with the typical frustrations I have with the American Democratic party right now, which is mainly that their candidates aren't left-leaning enough for me to fully support their policies. When it comes to the military and government social programs, Democrats aren't left-leaning enough for me. The mainstream candidate I supported the most at the very beginning of this election season was Bernie Sanders. I'm still sad about what could have been if we weren't so focused on beating Trump that we overlooked discussion of actual policies.

Finally, I'll say that I think that choosing Kamala Harris was an enormous risk in light of recent events: namely, the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement. Harris is a former police officer and, more recently, a state prosecutor. In other words, she participated in the systemically racist institutions that led to the uprising of BLM. I'm very concerned that this is going to hurt Biden's campaign, especially with the younger generations.

Time will tell if this was a good enough choice to win the election. Should be interesting either way :shrug:




She never has and never will represent women and people of color, not gonna happen. She going to represent corporate interests, the very rich, the military industrial complex, the criminal justice system and piss on the working class.


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    #26877642 - 08/12/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Kamala Is A Cop Except For Billionaire Banksters!"



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Patlal]
    #26877662 - 08/12/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Patlal said:





Its almost like Trump and Biden should go on Jerry Springer before election day. Voting at its finest.

"Jerry Jerry Jerry Jerry!"

Can you imagine Trump and Kamala picking up chairs to throw at each other while Biden sleeps through the whole thing?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Quote:

Nonagon Infinity said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Thoughts on Kamala?



She's... fine. I'll vote for Biden, reluctantly. I'm frustrated with this bullshit two-party system we have going on, but I still value democracy enough to participate in it.

As for Kamala specifically, I think it's a good thing that she represents women and people of color, which is obviously an angle Biden's campaign is trying to pander to. I think it's kind of a cheap political tactic, but I also think diverse representation in our government is a positive thing, so I can't really complain. It's the sort of thing I roll my eyes about, but I'm still happy with the consequences.

In general, that's exactly how I feel about Harris: I roll my eyes a little bit about it, but I'm still ultimately okay with the final outcome. For example, for a long time earlier in her career, she opposed legalization of marijuana in California. However, she changed positions on that eventually, and is now in favor of legal marijuana. The best way to describe it is that she followed the tides of progressive change, rather than leading the tides of progressive change, and this is a pattern you can find in many other issues she's been involved with politically (mass-incarceration, etc.). To that end, I'm frustrated that we don't have someone who has, historically, been a leader for social change as the candidate, but ultimately, I'm glad that she stands where she does now.

She also comes bundled up with the typical frustrations I have with the American Democratic party right now, which is mainly that their candidates aren't left-leaning enough for me to fully support their policies. When it comes to the military and government social programs, Democrats aren't left-leaning enough for me. The mainstream candidate I supported the most at the very beginning of this election season was Bernie Sanders. I'm still sad about what could have been if we weren't so focused on beating Trump that we overlooked discussion of actual policies.

Finally, I'll say that I think that choosing Kamala Harris was an enormous risk in light of recent events: namely, the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement. Harris is a former police officer and, more recently, a state prosecutor. In other words, she participated in the systemically racist institutions that led to the uprising of BLM. I'm very concerned that this is going to hurt Biden's campaign, especially with the younger generations.

Time will tell if this was a good enough choice to win the election. Should be interesting either way :shrug:




She never has and never will represent women and people of color, not gonna happen. She going to represent corporate interests, the very rich, the military industrial complex, the criminal justice system and piss on the working class.




Yes but if she is VP a little black girl somewhere will be like "I can be President too one day when I grow up."

Isn't it all worth it all the corruption and money and lies and evil broken promises to inspire the lives of other people and change the country by total coincidence as people live stronger lives based on the inspiration they believe they are getting from the country's VP? That is why people believed in Obama. Not because he was actually a good President but because of what he represented. And by golly people said their lives were changed getting up every day and living under the leadership of an African American.

Maybe it can happen again. Unless that is the wrong reason to vote for someone. But that is pretty much the reason to vote for Trump right? Because he is less of a pussy then someone else? Not that his decisions are great but because he is about money and business and confidence and he represents strong aggressive leadership while others will crumble.

95% of people who vote have no idea what they are voting for. Its a vote about ideals and which candidate appears to hold the ideals the person values the most.

In which case I would vote for Biden because he represents the ideals of the African American community and was Obama's VP. But if we are voting for which candidate has the best track record of being a competent leader in politics neither candidate to me has done shit but brag about their failures as though they represent someone else's mistakes they corrected. Yet even that is a lie because their own mistakes someone elses mistakes which need to be corrected never seem to be fixed by the President anyway.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel]
    #26877693 - 08/12/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thats terrible reasoning dude. And i have a feeling you're only saying that because Biden said it in his speech today


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    #26877746 - 08/13/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't watch Biden's fucking speeches. Which part did Biden say in this speech? How he is a full of shit representation of a greater dream? A total hollow reflection of something believe he is? I would love to see that clip


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel]
    #26877795 - 08/13/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes but if she is VP a little black girl somewhere will be like "I can be President too one day when I grow up."

Biden said that in his speech today. But if you didn't see it, you didn't see it :shrug:

I just think people should be picked based on merit, not because you enjoy playing the optics of pandering to minorities.

I actually think its kinda funny they keep playing up the colored female card because if they didn't tell you that she in fact was part black, you wouldn't know any better.
Its kinda weird how being black is the most important part. Like Obama was half and half yet they only cared and talked about the 1 half


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    #26877832 - 08/13/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Jeez you got a chip on your shoulder


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    #26877836 - 08/13/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm looking forward to watching her tear them apart.

She's clearly going to be th standout player on the field. Her team mate is sluggish and will want the ball in her hands.

Her biggest mistake right now would be something along the "deplorables" line.

I do not agree with this next sentences reality but it is so.
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    #26877853 - 08/13/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Its infuriating when will the racism end. If your retards lose this election by continuing to be shitty assholes to one another after letting scumbags burn down my cities I will never forget it.



When trump first found out about covid he wasted crucial amounts of time by calling it "another russian hoax" since then hes done everything he can to not devide people into mask wearers and antimaskers. Telling people not to believe science. rump has already killed more people then could have been saved and people like you helped him kill people so the sentiment is returned. Obviously Trump didn't work, look where it got us. You blamed Obama for the state of the US but refuse to hold Trump to any of the same standard truth is you don't care if more people die because you have to have your way politically.

Many people will never forget Trump voters in this particular moment in history either. We have people here that lost family and friends and any hoax talk is spitting in the faces of grieving families and laughing at their suffering. It will go down in history as one first world society ignoring science in favor of politics. It'll say how many people died, how the rest of the world managed it and the anti maskers and Trump supports became akin to millions of typhoid Mary's and literally are advocating more death and longer lockdown/businesses collapsing as people are dying and businesses collapse.


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    #26877856 - 08/13/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:whateveryousayfreak:  i dont ever recall trump ever saying the invisible Chinese virus was a Russian hoax or did he ever tell people not to believe science.  What a make believe post :lol:


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    #26877875 - 08/13/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He thinks criticism of his response is a hoax. He only cares about how the pandemic plays politically. He’s a psychopath.


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    #26877932 - 08/13/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just think people should be picked based on merit




Yet you are for Donald Trump?

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    #26877937 - 08/13/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

nooneman said:
:puke:

Terrible choice, maybe among the worst he could have made.




Yet, it's a smart choice to win the election. Harris is a non-white female, it doesn't get any better. She also is a good public speaker, much better than Biden or Trump.

Is she a nasty Establishment cunt?  Absolutely, but the vast majority of the voting population doesn't look at it in those terms.




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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26877948 - 08/13/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Harris has a stronger progressive voting record than even Bernie, at least in some cases. I guess maybe the Dems have propped her up as some middle of the road Dem, but her voting record says otherwise. While I understand that her criminal reform policy is lacking, the doesn't make her a worse candidate than somebody like Hillary or Tim Kaine.

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26877953 - 08/13/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump has never been in any kind of position where he had to be held responsible for his actions or accountable to another human being .  That’s why he’s such a worthless piece of shit and sucks at everything .




It's time to recover from the TDS, there's just a few months left at this point. Why keep going down that hole, move on already.




Sorry, I can't help you with that one. These are the funnest of times. I have dreams of an electoral slaughter.

After the Democrats take power things will be all fucked up again, and they will only be able to blame it all on Trump for a little while. But there will be Trump's rest of his life in court to cheer me up.

And to the people who are complaining that he picked someone based on race and gender instead of the most qualified person, when has anyone ever picked a VP candidate based on them being the most qualified? They are picked to help win the election, period. Some people are just pissed off because she's female and black; and apparently Asian, but I didn't know that till yesterday.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26878004 - 08/13/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty much every democratic VP going back almost to at least LBJ have had the best credentials and often even groomed for years sfor the position. Hell u could even throw dick Cheney in. His selection wasn't based on party politics but simple he was the slipperies snake in the grass most qualified to get the job done. But yah almost every democratic VP has been a solid pick where as Republicans typically pick purely political running mates.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26878008 - 08/13/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And then there was Dan Quayle, who doesn't seem to fit either of our explanations. People said George H Bush picked him to make sure he could never be impeached.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26878047 - 08/13/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26878054 - 08/13/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Remember when it was a scandal that the Vice President couldn’t spell potato? How far we’ve fallen.


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    #26878122 - 08/13/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It's time to recover from the TDS, there's just a few months left at this point. Why keep going down that hole, move on already.




I disagree , I actually think it would be a good time to look at my old account and our old conversations from 2016 a repost all the stupid claims and predictions you made about him .
  There will never be an outdated time to remind you that you  supported this shit whole heartedly .
  I would bring it up on your  death bed if I could .


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26878256 - 08/13/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes but if she is VP a little black girl somewhere will be like "I can be President too one day when I grow up."

Biden said that in his speech today. But if you didn't see it, you didn't see it :shrug:

I just think people should be picked based on merit, not because you enjoy playing the optics of pandering to minorities.

I actually think its kinda funny they keep playing up the colored female card because if they didn't tell you that she in fact was part black, you wouldn't know any better.
Its kinda weird how being black is the most important part. Like Obama was half and half yet they only cared and talked about the 1 half




Yeah I didn't even hear Biden say that. :lol: sounds like something he would say. My reply btw was loaded with sarcasm asking if a candidate should be picked on the merit of what it seems like a person of such character would do and not what they would actually do.

:shrug: same thing with Trump people vote for him on the merit that he is a brilliant business person who will help everyone in the US with their business and cares about employment etc. In reality he is a President who has almost started ww3 and bankrupted his own business into $500,000,000 in debt and cannot go a week in office without pissing off half the world with racist and Machiavellian like comments.

Truly does a candidate stand on their actions and behavior or on the merit of what they represent to the people for are voting for them? To me voting is like giving a bunch of kids in Kindergarten the ability to make really important decisions about which Power Ranger they want to run the country. The idea a child has about who someone is and what they will do is different then the reality of it.

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26878302 - 08/13/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It's time to recover from the TDS, there's just a few months left at this point. Why keep going down that hole, move on already.




I disagree , I actually think it would be a good time to look at my old account and our old conversations from 2016 a repost all the stupid claims and predictions you made about him .
  There will never be an outdated time to remind you that you  supported this shit whole heartedly .
  I would bring it up on your  death bed if I could .




Please do, I look forward to it. What you're going to see is that I supported his campaign positions that he never implemented. I NEVER suggested he was going to do it, so please show us those claims and predictions I made about Trump. :popcorn:

In fact, 2 years ago I made a thread calling him an economic failure. So if you have those early posts that I made that suggested otherwise, let's see it. 


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26878315 - 08/13/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Will voting for Biden over Trump save one life?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26878349 - 08/13/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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She never has and never will represent women and people of color, not gonna happen. She going to represent corporate interests, the very rich, the military industrial complex, the criminal justice system and piss on the working class.



I mean, she is a woman of color, so she is representative. Whether or not she enacts policies that empower marginalized groups is a different question, and when it comes to that question, I completely agree with you.

She's an American Democrat, which means she's a right-of-center politician who will protect LGBT rights, probably abortion rights, probably legal pot, and other left-ish social policies. It also means that she'll protect the military-industrial complex, as you said. Like I said in my original comment, I'm very frustrated with the American Democratic party right now because it's just not left-leaning enough for me to enthusiastically back it. I see it as a lesser of two evils right now, which is beyond frustrating and definitely doesn't feel like a democracy that works in the interest of the working class.


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    #26878390 - 08/13/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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She never has and never will represent women and people of color, not gonna happen. She going to represent corporate interests, the very rich, the military industrial complex, the criminal justice system and piss on the working class.



I mean, she is a woman of color, so she is representative. Whether or not she enacts policies that empower marginalized groups is a different question, and when it comes to that question, I completely agree with you.

She's an American Democrat, which means she's a right-of-center politician who will protect LGBT rights, probably abortion rights, probably legal pot, and other left-ish social policies. It also means that she'll protect the military-industrial complex, as you said. Like I said in my original comment, I'm very frustrated with the American Democratic party right now because it's just not left-leaning enough for me to enthusiastically back it. I see it as a lesser of two evils right now, which is beyond frustrating and definitely doesn't feel like a democracy that works in the interest of the working class.




You're really splitting hairs with the lesser of two evils narrative. In fact, many progressives make a very good argument that the D's are much more evil than the R's in this environment. Let me explain the reasoning on that thesis. 

The R's are very transparent with their rhetoric, it's purely supportive of big business, police, military, The Establishment and against anything that benefits the working class.

The D's sing a different song with their rhetoric, yet they still remain highly supportive of big business, police, military and The Establishment. In other words, they're not transparent and are the ultimate hypocrites.

Here's the ironic thing going forward. If Biden wins, the MSM will give him a free pass on everything that supports The Establishment.  At least with Trump, there was a little bit of accountability. Obama couldn't do any wrong with the MSM and he passed a LOT of horrible legislation without even a bit of scrutiny.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26878456 - 08/13/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26878457 - 08/13/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Please do, I look forward to it. What you're going to see is that I supported his campaign positions that he never implemented. I NEVER suggested he was going to do it, so please show us those claims and predictions I made about Trump. :popcorn:



 
  So you supported him because he had campaign positions that you knew wouldn’t happen ? That doesn’t make any sense .
 
 


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    #26878473 - 08/13/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The D's sing a different song with their rhetoric, yet they still remain highly supportive of big business, police, military and The Establishment. In other words, they're not transparent and are the ultimate hypocrites.




  Are you trying to say The do nothing for the working class like republicans ?


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    #26878542 - 08/13/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Please do, I look forward to it. What you're going to see is that I supported his campaign positions that he never implemented. I NEVER suggested he was going to do it, so please show us those claims and predictions I made about Trump. :popcorn:



 
  So you supported him because he had campaign positions that you knew wouldn’t happen ? That doesn’t make any sense .
 
 




I took a wait and see approach because I'm not able to predict the future. Trump was the first US President in the past 50 years to preach economic nationalism, so I had very serious doubts. Either way, Trump's economic nationalistic positions were spot on. I think you might be confusing my support for his positions and my support for Trump himself.

I gave my support to Bernie because he also preached much of the same economic nationalistic positions like Trump did. You see, I don't care who supports my positions, I just want them to implement it.


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    #26878549 - 08/13/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The D's sing a different song with their rhetoric, yet they still remain highly supportive of big business, police, military and The Establishment. In other words, they're not transparent and are the ultimate hypocrites.




  Are you trying to say The do nothing for the working class like republicans ?




They're owned by the same people and sing a different song, but they're the same Party at the end of the day.


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    #26878575 - 08/13/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just think people should be picked based on merit




Yet you are for Donald Trump?

:canthelpbutlaugh:



He wasn't "picked" for anything though. He was voted in


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    #26878617 - 08/13/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I just think people should be picked based on merit




Yet you are for Donald Trump?

:canthelpbutlaugh:



He wasn't "picked" for anything though. He was voted in




It’s really hard to take you seriously when you post like this.

Have you looked at the list of jerks Trump has picked for various positions?


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    #26878628 - 08/13/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When you vote someone you literally pick them over someone else  , that how voting works .


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    #26878634 - 08/13/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If we had a merit based electoral system, the guy who got fewer votes wouldn’t become president


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I just think people should be picked based on merit




Yet you are for Donald Trump?

:canthelpbutlaugh:



He wasn't "picked" for anything though. He was voted in




It’s really hard to take you seriously when you post like this.

Have you looked at the list of jerks Trump has picked for various positions?



Then maybe you should have been more clear that you thought trump himself wasn't picking based on merit. I thought you were talking about trump himself


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    #26878641 - 08/13/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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When you vote someone you literally pick them over someone else  , that how voting works .



Yes the public as a whole picks someone. Not one person handpicking another person.  See the difference?


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    #26878642 - 08/13/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trump himself obviously wasn’t picked on merit. He has absolutely no qualifications for the job. He is celebrated for that very fact by many that voted for him.

The issue with “picked” was already pointed out. Anybody that voted for Trump picked him over the other candidate. Though he was picked less.


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If we had a merit based electoral system, the guy who got fewer votes wouldn’t become president




The system wasnt designed to be a popularity contest. The states is so huge and diverse that new york and California shouldn't decide elections


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    #26878651 - 08/13/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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es the public as a whole picks someone. Not one person handpicking another person.  See the difference?



The country as a whole picked Hillary . Lol.


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If we had a merit based electoral system, the guy who got fewer votes wouldn’t become president




The system wasnt designed to be a popularity contest. The states is so huge and diverse that new york and California shouldn't decide elections




Then by your own measure Trump wasnt picked on merit. It’s not a popularity contest, the electoral college just picked him.


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    #26878662 - 08/13/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Will voting for Biden over Trump save one life?




If we don't get lucky with a vaccine, the difference in their policies will save many thousands of lives.


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    #26878664 - 08/13/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thats what his appeal was, he was a political outsider and a wild card.  People thought just maybe a political outsider wouldn't pander to the elite. But this of course was wrong


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es the public as a whole picks someone. Not one person handpicking another person.  See the difference?



The country as a whole picked Hillary . Lol.



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The country as a whole picked Hillary . Lol.






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    #26878669 - 08/13/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That map doesn’t take into account population density you dunce. Take a geography class for fucks sake.


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That map doesn’t take into account population density you dunce. Take a geography class for fucks sake.




Which is exactly why i said California and new York shouldn't decide elections you dunce :lol:


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    #26878678 - 08/13/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No. You clearly don’t understand how a map like that convinces dunces that they majority of the US voted for Trump when they didn’t. Empty space doesn’t vote, people do.


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    #26878688 - 08/13/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No, i clearly understand the majority of voters in big cities voted Hillary. And btw people do live those spaces and their vote counts. The electoral actually gives those small folks a voice and makes their votes count.


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All of that red is where almost no one lives , California is huge and heavily populated , it’s also full of nothing , that’s what Trump won , empty space .


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    #26878692 - 08/13/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

By the measure of that map Alaska would have the most voting power and would more than double Texas. Meanwhile it’s the 48th most populous state.

That map is retard level proof.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: christopera]
    #26878700 - 08/13/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How does that map say that? Do you not see the electors?


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    #26878709 - 08/13/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Wall Street Ecstatic With Kamala Harris VP Pick"



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26878717 - 08/13/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wall Street likes well spoken politicians that are predictable ,
Probably really tired of trumps childish bullshit .
Why would they be excited  about  a president incapable of caring about anything beyond his own self adulation?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26878722 - 08/13/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No, the map shows county vote. Holy shit you have no idea what you are talking about. Electors are based on the number of senators and has nothing to do with counties.  Montana for example has 3 electoral votes. Yet you can see the many counties.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: christopera]
    #26878734 - 08/13/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The whole point was to show that people outside of big cities voted trump. Dont know why you're getting so upset about it :shrug:


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    #26878761 - 08/13/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Upset? You clearly misrepresented the voting situation by acting like area equals votes. You are wrong and it’s dumb.


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    #26878762 - 08/13/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Wall Street likes well spoken politicians that are predictable ,
Probably really tired of trumps childish bullshit .
Why would they be excited  about  a president incapable of caring about anything beyond his own self adulation?




Wall Street loved Obama, Trump and now the Biden/Harris ticket.  Why is that?  Oh, it's because they owned all of them!!!


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    #26878763 - 08/13/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh and you lied about what the map represented a second time by acting like it represents electoral votes when it doesn’t.

You’ve yet to admit being full of shit though.


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    #26878809 - 08/13/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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How does that map say that? Do you not see the electors?




Those are counties


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    #26878888 - 08/13/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26878896 - 08/13/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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She never has and never will represent women and people of color, not gonna happen. She going to represent corporate interests, the very rich, the military industrial complex, the criminal justice system and piss on the working class.



I mean, she is a woman of color, so she is representative. Whether or not she enacts policies that empower marginalized groups is a different question, and when it comes to that question, I completely agree with you.

She's an American Democrat, which means she's a right-of-center politician who will protect LGBT rights, probably abortion rights, probably legal pot, and other left-ish social policies. It also means that she'll protect the military-industrial complex, as you said. Like I said in my original comment, I'm very frustrated with the American Democratic party right now because it's just not left-leaning enough for me to enthusiastically back it. I see it as a lesser of two evils right now, which is beyond frustrating and definitely doesn't feel like a democracy that works in the interest of the working class.




What is her stance on the death penalty? Sorry to drag this out but I need to know. Does she have a desire to amend the constitution or not? It should not affect your vote of her or not. For me though I am trying to compile a general attitude of every candidate and what they plan to do during their administration. Which so far has been very hard to figure out except for what they have done in the past and the general history of what they have done before it has been very hard to get a good idea of what each candidate is trying to do. Except Trump. That has been easy to figure out he is very firm on his stance and his stance is not necessarily something I support but none the less he has been very clear


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    #26878950 - 08/13/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think they were all in a position where we have to ask ourselves one important question. Will President Trump issue a nationwide mask mandate? No he won't he's said it many times. Joe Biden will make a nationwide mask mandate that will save possibly hundreds of thousands of lives in the next 4 years.

Without a unified Nationwide response to something as simple as wearing a mask, consumers don't feel comfortable going to businesses and when Hospital Systems and morgues are consisently over task and under prepared even the most red states there are were forced to re close for a third time. When you think of hot spots in America and know how bad they are you think that's only affecting that part of the country and your areas just fine but people travel from hotspots all the time with no masks and spread it further. Most businesses will go under in our economy won't be able to come back if we have to keep closing and people are so scared they don't want to go to a local business because they know people without masks in their area could kill them and their families.

Now that there has been a 95% increase in covid in kids with almost 100 deaths and countless spreading to teachers and parents there's 0 chance we can open schools and KEEP them open. Already many states are reversing course because their parents don't want to send their child into a place where they could die or bring it to the family. If Trump was very Pro mask and even considered Nationwide mask mandate the conversation would be a little different but not much.

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    #26879042 - 08/13/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh and you lied about what the map represented a second time by acting like it represents electoral votes when it doesn’t.

You’ve yet to admit being full of shit though.



Just because i wrong it doesn't mean i lied  :shrug: the specifics of the map didn't even matter because it was to show that people outside of California and new York were voting for him. Frankly i don't know why you're being such a prick about it :shrug:


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    #26879055 - 08/13/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Why would trump do that? Why not let states decide for themselves what they want? Any private company can issue whatever policy they want regarding customers wearing masks. A nation wide mandate is unnecessary and would piss people off


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    #26879101 - 08/13/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly i don't know why you're being such a prick about it :shrug:



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    #26879103 - 08/13/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think they were all in a position where we have to ask ourselves one important question. Will President Trump issue a nationwide mask mandate? No he won't he's said it many times. Joe Biden will make a nationwide mask mandate that will save possibly hundreds of thousands of lives in the next 4 years.

Without a unified Nationwide response to something as simple as wearing a mask, consumers don't feel comfortable going to businesses and when Hospital Systems and morgues are consisently over task and under prepared even the most red states there are were forced to re close for a third time. When you think of hot spots in America and know how bad they are you think that's only affecting that part of the country and your areas just fine but people travel from hotspots all the time with no masks and spread it further. Most businesses will go under in our economy won't be able to come back if we have to keep closing and people are so scared they don't want to go to a local business because they know people without masks in their area could kill them and their families.

Now that there has been a 95% increase in covid in kids with almost 100 deaths and countless spreading to teachers and parents there's 0 chance we can open schools and KEEP them open. Already many states are reversing course because their parents don't want to send their child into a place where they could die or bring it to the family. If Trump was very Pro mask and even considered Nationwide mask mandate the conversation would be a little different but not much.

Our nation can't take the pain and suffering Trump would bring in another 4 years




You really think the masks make that much of a difference? A lot of biological experts would say infections are so easy like if you grew shrooms in a room and the shrooms were not contained and you expected Cubensis spores to out compete any other bacteria or fungus spores in the room and you even put a mask over the container for the shrooms with loose pieces uncovered and expected the shrooms to grow perfectly uninfected. The mask does that much?

Maybe it does though. A person breathing out does push millions of particles far into the atmosphere with every exhale. I figured people being more aware and distanced and that being a socially acceptable norm these days being more of a reason for less threatening infections then the masks. That and more awareness and doctors visits in a post pandemic hypochondriac obsessed society and people testing positive distancing themselves more.

But maybe you are right. Maybe Biden would enforce a national mask order and save millions of lives. Really I am not expert and you could be right :shrug:


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    #26879112 - 08/13/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly i don't know why you're being such a prick about it :shrug:



The hostility level in this forum seems to have gone up lately.  :shrug:



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    #26879132 - 08/13/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn’t have to be a prick if you could bring some honesty to the discussion.

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    #26879135 - 08/13/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump doesn't stand for the Americans losing family members to covid. This is meme garbage

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Why would trump do that? Why not let states decide for themselves what they want? Any private company can issue whatever policy they want regarding customers wearing masks. A nation wide mandate is unnecessary and would piss people off



At this point pissing people off or not is not a priority with all the carnage their snowlflake asses have already caused its completely nessicary to open any part of the country with any success many scientists have said just that.

The rest of the world disagrees with you and science around the world disagrees with you. Also historically when he calls himself a wartime president he isn't far off about the war part this is a war on covid. In WW2 americans had to truly sacrifice to save jews from death camps and protect our country from ruin. Civilians rationed food,plastic, rubber,no cars were manufactured for civilian use and many people gave money and any metal object they had to fight a war that would protect american lives. Here we are in 2020 and almost half the country are not making even the smallest sacrifice to save lives when we know it's possible from mountains of evidence. We also have a president that has only served to make people doubt the effectiveness of masks,refuses the idea that kids get sixk,refuses the idea that 99.9% of cases are not "totally harmless" and that's one of the biggest reasons why it's never ending.

If Trump would've from the beginning told his rabidly die hard supports to wear masks there wouldn't have ever been a contreversary Trump supporters would be wearing masks that said Trump 2020 gladly. The countries who have the most success in keeping their economy open,deaths down astronomically and so on have either had a short but strict lockdown nationwide or at least everyone knew to wear masks. Now it's us and a few he'll holes like Brazil that can't produce a unified response based on the good in people it's been the exact opposite. If they instituted Nationwide mask order hospitals wouldn't be overflowing,not as many businesses would close,much less people would die  and yesterday wouldn't have been the highest death count date in months.


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    #26879147 - 08/13/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I wouldn’t have to be a prick if you could bring some honesty to the discussion.

At least you finally admitted you were making shit up.



He graciously admitted he was wrong once you explained it was counties.  But you're still attacking him for being dishonest and making shit up.  :shrug:


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    #26879183 - 08/13/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



I think it is interesting how Democrats will attack each other then side up with each other. Republicans do things just a little different. With Republicans its like if they don't like you they shoot you in the back of the head then dump your body in the river :lol: practically. Only the most god fearing types are accepted in the Republican circle but once you are blue they all love each other. As long as they are all white.

Democrats on the other hand accept all races. But a Democrat is never wrong. Never. Ever. If a Democrat was standing under the twin towers like someone built a time machine and a democrat went back in time to 9/11 and was arguing that "actually the wind pushed the towers over not hot jet fuel burning the steel beams until the towers collapsed in on themselves falling straight down but actually planted explosives in the bottoms of the tower went off as the planes hit then the wind pushed the towers over" and as the Democrat was standing the twin World Trade Center tower the two planes crashed into each tower with no explosives going off and no wind pushing the towers over the Democrat would still be arguing as the shit fell on top of him "no way man. There was dynamite going off----------------"

Honestly I kind of can't stand either party. One party believes "its totally ok to be racist as fuck god fearing close minded hill billy folks as long as we all agree and care about each other in the GOP party then we build America as we see America needs to be and fuck everyone else."

Democrats are more like "we accept all lives and races. We accept chosing and all the liberal policies you want. Free health care. Free education. Free speech. Freedom of racial non bias. Free roads. Social security. Free unemployment. All the things that really matter. All the things that make us totally indifferent to the GOP party. And we will act like totally know it all spoiled brats over it. Abuse the system. Turn on each other. Never admit we are wrong. Elect totally incompetent officials and never admit they make a mistake. Come up with total bullshit science and stick to it no matter how many times we are proven wrong. Despite us believing in equality and individuality and monetary freedom and transparent policies we set no example of it ourselves. We are basically irresponsible spoiled brat intellectuals who live our lives with incompetence and ignorance and vote for someone just because he is Democrat and get high all day and night and never research or educate ourselves on what we are actually doing or voting for and create bogus websites to support our conspiracies which support us removing any Republican who wants to take away our liberal support network. Voting for our guy might as well be like voting for an 8 year old that "knows what he is doing" because he watches Bill Nye the Science Guy and believes it gives him the ability to run his job with experience and observational accuracy that only someone with experience could pull off. The guy doesn't know how to do anything or figure anything his life is just a copy paste verbatim of what someone else wants him to do or say. We never admit to making mistakes or being wrong and you honestly have a better chance of letting a monkey ass racist tyrant run a political position then our candidate."

I mean that sums it up if each party was represented by an honest member saying everything as truthful as it gets

This election is :facepalm: just as fucked as it gets. You can't fuck an election and get it a little bit pregnant. That is the analogy I wanted to present. It so fitting of what is up ahead of us


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    #26879288 - 08/13/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You're really splitting hairs with the lesser of two evils narrative. In fact, many progressives make a very good argument that the D's are much more evil than the R's in this environment. Let me explain the reasoning on that thesis. 




It's not fair to characterize my position as a "narrative" when I haven't even explained any of the specific reasons that I see the Democratic party as the lesser of two evils. If I had some ideological predisposition towards Democrats regardless of policy, then I think you would have a point, but that's not my position at all. The reason I see Democrats as the lesser of two evils comes down to specific policy differences. For example, Democrats tend to be in favor of abortion rights, which I am also in favor of. Republicans tend to be against abortion rights. That's just one example, but I could list some other ones.

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The R's are very transparent with their rhetoric, it's purely supportive of big business, police, military, The Establishment and against anything that benefits the working class.




The thing is, I don't make my decision of which candidate to vote for based off of their rhetoric. I make my decisions based on specific policy suggestions the candidates make while campaigning, and based off of the policies they have supported (or protested) during their political careers. I'm well aware the both Democrats and Republicans are pro-establishment, so I've pretty much already accepted that I'm going to have a pro-establishment president after the next election regardless of who I vote for. That said, there are still specific policies that Democrats support that Republicans tend to adamantly protest such as marijuana decriminalization, abortion rights, LGBT rights, and more. That's where my "lesser of two evils" position comes from. It's not just a narrative for me, and it's not about rhetoric or who's the bigger hypocrite. If we make our democracy about pointing our fingers until we find out who's the bigger hypocrite, there will be no end to it. My politics have nothing to do with rhetoric and everything to do with policy and how those policies impact people's lives (not just American lives, but lives all around the world).

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Here's the ironic thing going forward. If Biden wins, the MSM will give him a free pass on everything that supports The Establishment.  At least with Trump, there was a little bit of accountability. Obama couldn't do any wrong with the MSM and he passed a LOT of horrible legislation without even a bit of scrutiny.



I think it's kind of funny that you actually believe Obama didn't have "even a bit of scrutiny" for the poor policy decisions he made. Plenty of people on all sides of the political spectrum have criticized Obama's policy decisions. Sure, he had his fair share of blind supporters who were behind him no matter what he did (so does every politician), but to suggest that nobody criticized him or his policies is blasphemous. Hell, I voted for Obama and I'd be happy to criticize some of his policy decisions, and I'm sure that there are plenty of people who would be willing to have a civil discussion about that with me. If you really think that nobody had the guts to criticize Obama or whatever, then it sounds to me like you're the one who has some sort of narrative informing your political position.


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    #26879303 - 08/13/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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What is her stance on the death penalty? Sorry to drag this out but I need to know. Does she have a desire to amend the constitution or not?




I don't know where she stands on the death penalty. Honestly, it's not a terribly important policy issue to me at this point. I'm focused on other issues, so you're asking the wrong guy.

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It should not affect your vote of her or not. For me though I am trying to compile a general attitude of every candidate and what they plan to do during their administration.




Yeah, I think that's the wisest way to decide your vote. Look into the issues that are most important to you and see how candidates have behaved in the past and decide whether or not it lines up with your own values. For example, net neutrality was a really important policy issue for me for a wide variety of reasons. Unfortunately, it's a battle we've already lost thanks to Trump's genius decision to appoint a former Verizon lawyer as the head of the FCC, but Kamala Harris wrote a detailed letter to that same FCC head asking him to reconsider his decisions with respect to net neutrality. That issue is really important to me, and I like the way that Harris tried to make a difference with that, so that's a point in her favor in my book. That's just one example of one policy issue, but this is generally how I make my decisions on who to vote for.

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Except Trump. That has been easy to figure out he is very firm on his stance and his stance is not necessarily something I support but none the less he has been very clear



Yeah, from my perspective, Trump has been clear enough about his politics that it's really obvious to me that I'm not going to vote for him haha


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I don't know where she stands on the death penalty. Honestly, it's not a terribly important policy issue to me at this point. I'm focused on other issues, so you're asking the wrong guy.






I like everything you said. Strong words. To me no candidate is above looking into their heart to see how much guts they have about sticking to other issues. I know they are all corrupt and greedy as fuck to get as far as they get to be eligible to be elected into a position of power to begin with.

My main issue is any President that does not have an issue with such policies as prisons and finance of such things and policies regarding prisoners should not be eligible to be President. I hate Trump deeply but he is clear on that he totally 100% supports the death penalty and does not want it removed and if possible would put it as top priority for all states to strongly re enforce it.

I agree some things are of much more immediate concern. Still anyone that wants to take Trump on is asking to get their ass handed to him. He is so manipulative and powerful I almost imagine he would try and amend the constitution to allow himself a 3rd term if possible. Most Presidents are not even that retarded. Or are they? Maybe in private they all want to rewrite the constitution. Trump is very boastful and I am surprised he has not put this on his list of things to do.

On the other hand you have Biden opposing him. I knew of the 2 dementia candidates Biden and Bernie Sanders one would become the next major running party official. I feel any dementia ridden candidate has a very low chance against Trump despite Trump's lowering popularity he is extremely manipulative and uses his press to gain popularity and even his bad press is something he uses to turn towards his advantage. He gains followers by insulting retards that try and expose him and gains popularity while ruining peoples credibility.

Its obviously a game a child could figure out. But a smart child. And voters are not smart children they are retarded children.

So Biden's weak stance on policies like "the death penalty" which many people may overlook during these horrific times of economic distress and pandemic hardship to me signifies even more he is looking for weak minded votes based on him wanting to capture anyone who simply does not like Trump.

While this may be a good move since most voters are as stupid as children if Trump gets even a little bit intellectual and starts pulling policies on old sleepy Joe that he is not prepared for as he cannot remember where he was all morning Trump can turn it around and chew Trump up.

I personally hate Trump. I feel like anybody with half a brain would vote against him. He is a moron. But this is his persona. He is a smart manipulative motherfucker. He gets people to think of him as a child then at the last minute pulls out a lot of shit a smart person would say and wins peoples hearts and minds. Retarded peoples hearts and minds of course.

Then you have Dementia Joe Biden who also wants to win the retard vote but the other side. But retards are easily swayed. Biden is smart enough to know people don't like Trump and that is it. If Trump makes Biden think even a little and Biden is forgetting to spell his own name Biden will lost like 10 million votes. While Democrats act loyal they are not. Republicans are in a sick way. They will vote for their favorite Hitler while Hitler is shoving them in a gas chamber because no blue voter votes anything but blue.

But Biden is fucked if he thinks his own Democrats won't turn on him. So if I were Biden I would have a strong stance on the death penalty.

Not that he cares. Not that it matters. He doesn't give a fuck. He needs to lie like Obama and get ride of a few prisons while keeping hundreds and act like the few he removed are severely part of his master plan while the rest was blocked in Congress or some shit. But these days sleepy Joe ain't half ass lying his way through a decent debate. I see Trump winning and me kicking myself.

:shrug: you know the overconfidence on the left side is the weakness. Real talk man. I hate Trump but he is going to win if Biden just keeps acting like "a good person" expecting it to matter when elections come up. He needs to lie better. He needs to make something up. He needs to pretend like he has a stance on the death penalty. I mean its sad and politics are sad but a candidate like Trump who has an opinion will win against Biden if Biden doesn't.

Trump supports the death penalty. Biden needs to lie and say he doesn't. Even if he does. To be a strong political candidate. Then we can move on to other issues like covid-19 and the economy when he matters. Politics are a sick game but you have to play the game right.

:facepalm: fucking Biden. What an asshole. Don't they have medication for dementia? Is he not taking it? Old man Joe needs his naps while Trump runs the country into the ground.


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No. You clearly don’t understand how a map like that convinces dunces that they majority of the US voted for Trump when they didn’t. Empty space doesn’t vote, people do.




Yes, that was a whole lotta red empty space. The GOP has no choice but to advocate the dictatorship of empty states. Well that and peckerwoods too. I think even they should be allowed to vote, but there is historical precedence for something like counting them as three-fifths of a person. I would go with that, unless they could prove they're not inbred.


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I don't know where she stands on the death penalty. Honestly, it's not a terribly important policy issue to me at this point. I'm focused on other issues, so you're asking the wrong guy.






I like everything you said. Strong words. To me no candidate is above looking into their heart to see how much guts they have about sticking to other issues. I know they are all corrupt and greedy as fuck to get as far as they get to be eligible to be elected into a position of power to begin with.

My main issue is any President that does not have an issue with such policies as prisons and finance of such things and policies regarding prisoners should not be eligible to be President. I hate Trump deeply but he is clear on that he totally 100% supports the death penalty and does not want it removed and if possible would put it as top priority for all states to strongly re enforce it.

I agree some things are of much more immediate concern. Still anyone that wants to take Trump on is asking to get their ass handed to him. He is so manipulative and powerful I almost imagine he would try and amend the constitution to allow himself a 3rd term if possible. Most Presidents are not even that retarded. Or are they? Maybe in private they all want to rewrite the constitution. Trump is very boastful and I am surprised he has not put this on his list of things to do.

On the other hand you have Biden opposing him. I knew of the 2 dementia candidates Biden and Bernie Sanders one would become the next major running party official. I feel any dementia ridden candidate has a very low chance against Trump despite Trump's lowering popularity he is extremely manipulative and uses his press to gain popularity and even his bad press is something he uses to turn towards his advantage. He gains followers by insulting retards that try and expose him and gains popularity while ruining peoples credibility.

Its obviously a game a child could figure out. But a smart child. And voters are not smart children they are retarded children.

So Biden's weak stance on policies like "the death penalty" which many people may overlook during these horrific times of economic distress and pandemic hardship to me signifies even more he is looking for weak minded votes based on him wanting to capture anyone who simply does not like Trump.

While this may be a good move since most voters are as stupid as children if Trump gets even a little bit intellectual and starts pulling policies on old sleepy Joe that he is not prepared for as he cannot remember where he was all morning Trump can turn it around and chew Trump up.

I personally hate Trump. I feel like anybody with half a brain would vote against him. He is a moron. But this is his persona. He is a smart manipulative motherfucker. He gets people to think of him as a child then at the last minute pulls out a lot of shit a smart person would say and wins peoples hearts and minds. Retarded peoples hearts and minds of course.

Then you have Dementia Joe Biden who also wants to win the retard vote but the other side. But retards are easily swayed. Biden is smart enough to know people don't like Trump and that is it. If Trump makes Biden think even a little and Biden is forgetting to spell his own name Biden will lost like 10 million votes. While Democrats act loyal they are not. Republicans are in a sick way. They will vote for their favorite Hitler while Hitler is shoving them in a gas chamber because no blue voter votes anything but blue.

But Biden is fucked if he thinks his own Democrats won't turn on him. So if I were Biden I would have a strong stance on the death penalty.

Not that he cares. Not that it matters. He doesn't give a fuck. He needs to lie like Obama and get ride of a few prisons while keeping hundreds and act like the few he removed are severely part of his master plan while the rest was blocked in Congress or some shit. But these days sleepy Joe ain't half ass lying his way through a decent debate. I see Trump winning and me kicking myself.

:shrug: you know the overconfidence on the left side is the weakness. Real talk man. I hate Trump but he is going to win if Biden just keeps acting like "a good person" expecting it to matter when elections come up. He needs to lie better. He needs to make something up. He needs to pretend like he has a stance on the death penalty. I mean its sad and politics are sad but a candidate like Trump who has an opinion will win against Biden if Biden doesn't.

Trump supports the death penalty. Biden needs to lie and say he doesn't. Even if he does. To be a strong political candidate. Then we can move on to other issues like covid-19 and the economy when he matters. Politics are a sick game but you have to play the game right.

:facepalm: fucking Biden. What an asshole. Don't they have medication for dementia? Is he not taking it? Old man Joe needs his naps while Trump runs the country into the ground.




I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't think Trump is currently politically strong and effective at manipulation. Ever since corona, he's acting the same but the public's reception of his message has changed entirely.

There were so many highlights to your post. I especially like the battle for the retard vote, and that Biden just needs to lie.

And sadly no, there is no medication for dementia. They can calm it down and slow it down, but they can't reverse it. And thus, Trump's arrogance and stupidity and Biden's Dementia (and he wasn't too sharp when he was younger either), brings us the first female President of the United States. Hurray...maybe.


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No, i clearly understand the majority of voters in big cities voted Hillary. And btw people do live those spaces and their vote counts. The electoral actually gives those small folks a voice and makes their votes count.




You're right about the last election, but between then and now, Trump lost the suburbs. Game over.


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Trump doesn't stand for the Americans losing family members to covid. This is meme garbage

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Why would trump do that? Why not let states decide for themselves what they want? Any private company can issue whatever policy they want regarding customers wearing masks. A nation wide mandate is unnecessary and would piss people off



At this point pissing people off or not is not a priority with all the carnage their snowlflake asses have already caused its completely nessicary to open any part of the country with any success many scientists have said just that.

The rest of the world disagrees with you and science around the world disagrees with you. Also historically when he calls himself a wartime president he isn't far off about the war part this is a war on covid. In WW2 americans had to truly sacrifice to save jews from death camps and protect our country from ruin. Civilians rationed food,plastic, rubber,no cars were manufactured for civilian use and many people gave money and any metal object they had to fight a war that would protect american lives. Here we are in 2020 and almost half the country are not making even the smallest sacrifice to save lives when we know it's possible from mountains of evidence. We also have a president that has only served to make people doubt the effectiveness of masks,refuses the idea that kids get sixk,refuses the idea that 99.9% of cases are not "totally harmless" and that's one of the biggest reasons why it's never ending.

If Trump would've from the beginning told his rabidly die hard supports to wear masks there wouldn't have ever been a contreversary Trump supporters would be wearing masks that said Trump 2020 gladly. The countries who have the most success in keeping their economy open,deaths down astronomically and so on have either had a short but strict lockdown nationwide or at least everyone knew to wear masks. Now it's us and a few he'll holes like Brazil that can't produce a unified response based on the good in people it's been the exact opposite. If they instituted Nationwide mask order hospitals wouldn't be overflowing,not as many businesses would close,much less people would die  and yesterday wouldn't have been the highest death count date in months.



Considering the cases vary widely per state and many private businesses have already implemented mandatory mask wearing in stores why would the president need to implement mandatory nation wide mask wearing when states can decide for themselves if they should based on their cases?
I get trumps at the top, but i dont know why you're throwing so much blame on him. The virus isn't trumps fault. Obviously mistakes were made and hindsight is 2020 but what could he really have done but implement strict quarantines for returning citizens?
He closed the border to china and Europe (got shit on for it) and even told people in late March to wear masks. Even going as far to suggest using scarves or other cloth to use to supplement masks because of the shortage at the time. He even recently tweeted that it was even patriotic to wear a mask  :lol:


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No, i clearly understand the majority of voters in big cities voted Hillary. And btw people do live those spaces and their vote counts. The electoral actually gives those small folks a voice and makes their votes count.




You're right about the last election, but between then and now, Trump lost the suburbs. Game over.



Sadly you're right.  Trump's done nothing to grow his base and even turned some of his base off.
Still though, i have faith that he'll win. Trump's always got a ace up his sleeve and Bidens gonna slip up big time during the debates. The debates are what will win trump the election


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    #26879547 - 08/14/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think the debates are going to turn this around. Sure Biden's a blithering idiot, but so is Trump (a lot of it's just his psychological issues), but nobody is blaming Biden for what's happening right now, and a majority blame Trump.

Trump's best chance would be to dump Pence, and find someone less dumb than Sarah Palin.

If the corona thing had improved, it would have changed a lot. But there's good news one day and the more bad news the next day.


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    #26879630 - 08/14/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

All biden has to do in the debate to combat trumps brand of hroseshit is to point out everytime hes being a childish boorish bully. Thats basically all the guys got is to be a bully and then act like a pompous jackass about it. Thats what won him the election. Thumbing his clown nose at the liberals. Thats what I've been saying this whole fucking time. Do politicians not understand tact anymore? Pissing people off just pisses people off i tried to tell you guys this the entire obama administration. Be nice to eachother I said. but ppl like koods and everyone thoufht it was funny to throw shit in peoples faces and now we have trump on our hands. U cant just jump into bed and fuck someone over. U have to wine and dine them. Otherwise u just make urself look ass and give more ammo to the otherside. It doesn't get anything done to be constantly trying to be mean to one another. How stupid are u ppl?


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    #26879902 - 08/14/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Love that our conservative patriots here are going all in on the “Kamala is a cop” language, as if they gave a shit about the prison industrial complex. It’s just much more palatable to do that than spam the n word.


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Love that our conservative patriots here are going all in on the “Kamala is a cop” language, as if they gave a shit about the prison industrial complex. It’s just much more palatable to do that than spam the n word.




I don't know what Republicans would even have an issue with Harris, she's a perfect one. Biden isn't much different, they're both moderate Republicans. :shrug:


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    #26879972 - 08/14/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well they have a D next to their name so I think you mean “far left Marxists who want to tax you and give the money to BlackLivesMatter abortion clinics”


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    #26880407 - 08/14/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Between the 2 candidates I would chose Trump. Trump is not my type of candidate I do not approve of the death penalty and Trump's foreign policy to me is terrible. Biden to me will simply make the same decisions Trump will but under a false guise and will sway between decisions with no sense of assertiveness. I fear my reaction to who wins this year. One candidate to me is extremely overly aggressive and the other is incompetent secretly envying Trump and wanting to be just like him.


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    #26880452 - 08/14/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trumps foreign policy has been pretty good though. Hes been tough on china, stands with Taiwan and yesterday had a major win in the middle east


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    #26880495 - 08/14/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Now that is real talk bro

I hope. I am not big on researching things I agree with but will assume that is as real talk as it gets :shrug:


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    #26880507 - 08/14/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)



Follow up: they were innocent


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    #26880546 - 08/14/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wny are you guys so worried about the death penalty anyway?  They execute so few people thats really not worth worrying about  :lol:


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    #26880569 - 08/14/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because it’s immoral


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I mean i guess. More people die on death row awaiting execution than actually die of execution


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Wny are you guys so worried about the death penalty anyway?  They execute so few people thats really not worth worrying about  :lol:




Boy on that note

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Because it’s immoral




Its extremely wasteful. Most people appeal the rest of their life out on death row. Its wasteful and immoral and impractical and tons of people later on are found innocent with updated forensic technology after they are executed. Politics is the biggest pick and choose game ever. Its like if someone wants a good teacher for their kids and they are like "we are looking for a teacher that does not smoke or drink or beat the kids ass and makes them do their homework" and someone presents to the parents "well this teacher beats the kids ass but doesn't smoke or drink in class and will make them do their homework" then the next proposal is "well this teacher won't beat the kids ass or smoke or drink in class but won't make the kids do their homework" and its like "choose now!"

Nobody lives like that so why pick a President like that? Then again who am I to question the expectations of voters. Most of them don't expect shit.


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I mean i guess. More people die on death row awaiting execution than actually die of execution




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I mean i guess. More people die on death row awaiting execution than actually die of execution




Yes its costly and wasteful



I mean isn't it the opposite? Its more cost effective to execute prisoners rather than house them for life? Not arguing for the death penalty by any means, just addressing the cost issue


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    #26880615 - 08/14/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I give trump a 100% chance to win the next election. If you look at where Clinton was polling at this point, and you compare it to how biden is doing, biden is doing significantly worse than clinton and clinton lost.

If you subtract where clinton was on election day from where the polls had her at this point, that'll give you the difference between what the polls said vs. reality. If you then subtract that number from Biden's current figures, you'll see he's losing in a landslide.


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    #26880643 - 08/14/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean isn't it the opposite? Its more cost effective to execute prisoners rather than house them for life? Not arguing for the death penalty by any means, just addressing the cost issue




https://www.thebalance.com/comparing-the-costs-of-death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-4689874

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A Susquehanna University report found that, on average, across all 50 states, a death row inmate costs $1.12 million more than a general population inmate.




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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #26880657 - 08/14/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

wait what? that bitch is still alive? I thought i watched her public execution by Tulsi Gabbard at the Dem debates, I can only wonder why they didn't pick that woman of color for VP.:confused:


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Beeper]
    #26880698 - 08/14/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

At least 4% of people on death row are likely innocent. Idk about you but I wouldn’t feel comfortable picking at least 4 random people out of 100 to die just because they might’ve done something heinous.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26880715 - 08/14/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean i guess. More people die on death row awaiting execution than actually die of execution




Yes its costly and wasteful



I mean isn't it the opposite? Its more cost effective to execute prisoners rather than house them for life? Not arguing for the death penalty by any means, just addressing the cost issue




But you just said most people die on death row

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I give trump a 100% chance to win the next election. If you look at where Clinton was polling at this point, and you compare it to how biden is doing, biden is doing significantly worse than clinton and clinton lost.

If you subtract where clinton was on election day from where the polls had her at this point, that'll give you the difference between what the polls said vs. reality. If you then subtract that number from Biden's current figures, you'll see he's losing in a landslide.




He will win. I don't want him to but look at his competition. Its a done deal
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I mean isn't it the opposite? Its more cost effective to execute prisoners rather than house them for life? Not arguing for the death penalty by any means, just addressing the cost issue




https://www.thebalance.com/comparing-the-costs-of-death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-4689874

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A Susquehanna University report found that, on average, across all 50 states, a death row inmate costs $1.12 million more than a general population inmate.







This

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At least 4% of people on death row are likely innocent. Idk about you but I wouldn’t feel comfortable picking at least 4 random people out of 100 to die just because they might’ve done something heinous.




How much do all those appeals cost?


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26880741 - 08/14/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I give trump a 100% chance to win the next election. If you look at where Clinton was polling at this point, and you compare it to how biden is doing, biden is doing significantly worse than clinton and clinton lost.

If you subtract where clinton was on election day from where the polls had her at this point, that'll give you the difference between what the polls said vs. reality. If you then subtract that number from Biden's current figures, you'll see he's losing in a landslide.




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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26880754 - 08/14/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think the debates are going to turn this around. Sure Biden's a blithering idiot, but so is Trump (a lot of it's just his psychological issues), but nobody is blaming Biden for what's happening right now, and a majority blame Trump.

Trump's best chance would be to dump Pence, and find someone less dumb than Sarah Palin.

If the corona thing had improved, it would have changed a lot. But there's good news one day and the more bad news the next day.



Tnat is true, but there's a lot of time between now and November, a lot could change.

Why do you feel that dropping mike pence would be in trump's best interest? I thought for most part people liked pence.  At least where im from people seem to like him and view him as pretty competent


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26880777 - 08/14/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26880782 - 08/14/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I got to stop arguing politics



I don't want to end up being like one of these people :lol:


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    #26880927 - 08/15/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kamela was probably the worse choice Biden could have chosen.

Biden was also a horrible choice, but I digress..

Democrats have pretty much given Trump another term.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Ultishrum]
    #26880978 - 08/15/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kamela was probably the worse choice Biden could have chosen.

Biden was also a horrible choice, but I digress..

Democrats have pretty much given Trump another term.



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: imachavel]
    #26881025 - 08/15/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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My main issue is any President that does not have an issue with such policies as prisons and finance of such things and policies regarding prisoners should not be eligible to be President. I hate Trump deeply but he is clear on that he totally 100% supports the death penalty and does not want it removed and if possible would put it as top priority for all states to strongly re enforce it.

I agree some things are of much more immediate concern.




I wouldn't say that other things are of "much more immediate concern", necessarily. We all have different interests, and we all have issues that are going to subjectively vary in their degrees of importance. I think it's best to focus on the issues you're the most passionate about, the ones that you're actually willing to put research into, and work from there.

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Still anyone that wants to take Trump on is asking to get their ass handed to him. He is so manipulative and powerful I almost imagine he would try and amend the constitution to allow himself a 3rd term if possible. Most Presidents are not even that retarded. Or are they? Maybe in private they all want to rewrite the constitution. Trump is very boastful and I am surprised he has not put this on his list of things to do.




I think one flaw with the American democracy is that it's so lenient and the constitution is so flexible that it's conceivable for a well-orchestrated effort to use the democratic system to basically outlaw democracy. It's unlikely, but it's still possible.

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On the other hand you have Biden opposing him. I knew of the 2 dementia candidates Biden and Bernie Sanders one would become the next major running party official. I feel any dementia ridden candidate has a very low chance against Trump despite Trump's lowering popularity he is extremely manipulative and uses his press to gain popularity and even his bad press is something he uses to turn towards his advantage. He gains followers by insulting retards that try and expose him and gains popularity while ruining peoples credibility.




Have you watched any of Trump's speeches lately? Dude definitely has some sort of cognitive issue. Don't get me wrong, Biden does as well, but Trump seems pretty dementia-ridden as well. Dude was so insecure about it that he bragged about passing a dementia test for mainstream media multiple times.

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So Biden's weak stance on policies like "the death penalty" which many people may overlook during these horrific times of economic distress and pandemic hardship to me signifies even more he is looking for weak minded votes based on him wanting to capture anyone who simply does not like Trump.




I am also very frustrated with the fact that so much of Leftist politics in the U.S. has become less about specific policies and more about defeating Trump.

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I personally hate Trump. I feel like anybody with half a brain would vote against him. He is a moron. But this is his persona. He is a smart manipulative motherfucker. He gets people to think of him as a child then at the last minute pulls out a lot of shit a smart person would say and wins peoples hearts and minds. Retarded peoples hearts and minds of course.




He's literally a reality T.V. show star pretending to be president, and his cabinet members are the ones with all the real power who are pulling all the strings. They have a symbiotic relationship with him: they stroke his ego and make him feel like a big, powerful president, and he facilitates policies that serve their economic interests. It's beyond fucked.


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But Biden is fucked if he thinks his own Democrats won't turn on him. So if I were Biden I would have a strong stance on the death penalty.




I think it's in Biden's best interest to come across as neutral as possible at this point. He has to maintain enough status-quo appearance that he won't seem like an extremist, while also seeming less bigoted and rude than Trump if he wants to win the election.

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:shrug: you know the overconfidence on the left side is the weakness. Real talk man. I hate Trump but he is going to win if Biden just keeps acting like "a good person" expecting it to matter when elections come up. He needs to lie better. He needs to make something up. He needs to pretend like he has a stance on the death penalty. I mean its sad and politics are sad but a candidate like Trump who has an opinion will win against Biden if Biden doesn't.




I'm planning on voting for Biden, but I am definitely not overconfident in him. I fully recognize that the battle ain't over until it's over, and we, as Democrats, need to make sure that we do everything he can to support him. It's not going to be an automatic victory.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Ultishrum]
    #26881048 - 08/15/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Joe Biden’s Election Odds Tumble Following Kamala Harris VP Selection: Trump Closes Gap In Presidential Betting Markets
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Kamela was probably the worse choice Biden could have chosen.

Biden was also a horrible choice, but I digress..

Democrats have pretty much given Trump another term.




This is completely fucking absurd.

First of all, how many people bet on elections, compared to Football. Less than one thousandth.

Second, nobody counts except real betters. Small betters are as likely as not to be born losers. Show me how many people have bet tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands on Trump. You can't, so there is absolutely no evidence where the smart money is going.

Biden, the imbecile, was double digits ahead before he picked Harris, and since then all the news is good.

But if you think your right and I'm wrong, send me a pm for a friendly little wager. Because in all these months since I decided that Biden can't lose to Trump, only two people have come forward.

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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26881162 - 08/15/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Wny are you guys so worried about the death penalty anyway?  They execute so few people thats really not worth worrying about  :lol:



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I mean i guess. More people die on death row awaiting execution than actually die of execution




Costs more to keep people people on death row than it does to keep them in general pop, the endless appeals drag the victims’ families through it all again & again.....then there’s the punishment aspect. They’ll die eventually. By executing them, we assume that death is a punishment. But what if it’s not? Then they just got off easy. Better to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives to stew in what they did & the fact that they’ll never taste freedom again then to give them an easy out.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26881625 - 08/15/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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My main issue is any President that does not have an issue with such policies as prisons and finance of such things and policies regarding prisoners should not be eligible to be President. I hate Trump deeply but he is clear on that he totally 100% supports the death penalty and does not want it removed and if possible would put it as top priority for all states to strongly re enforce it.

I agree some things are of much more immediate concern.




I wouldn't say that other things are of "much more immediate concern", necessarily. We all have different interests, and we all have issues that are going to subjectively vary in their degrees of importance. I think it's best to focus on the issues you're the most passionate about, the ones that you're actually willing to put research into, and work from there.

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Still anyone that wants to take Trump on is asking to get their ass handed to him. He is so manipulative and powerful I almost imagine he would try and amend the constitution to allow himself a 3rd term if possible. Most Presidents are not even that retarded. Or are they? Maybe in private they all want to rewrite the constitution. Trump is very boastful and I am surprised he has not put this on his list of things to do.




I think one flaw with the American democracy is that it's so lenient and the constitution is so flexible that it's conceivable for a well-orchestrated effort to use the democratic system to basically outlaw democracy. It's unlikely, but it's still possible.

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imachavel said:
On the other hand you have Biden opposing him. I knew of the 2 dementia candidates Biden and Bernie Sanders one would become the next major running party official. I feel any dementia ridden candidate has a very low chance against Trump despite Trump's lowering popularity he is extremely manipulative and uses his press to gain popularity and even his bad press is something he uses to turn towards his advantage. He gains followers by insulting retards that try and expose him and gains popularity while ruining peoples credibility.




Have you watched any of Trump's speeches lately? Dude definitely has some sort of cognitive issue. Don't get me wrong, Biden does as well, but Trump seems pretty dementia-ridden as well. Dude was so insecure about it that he bragged about passing a dementia test for mainstream media multiple times.

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So Biden's weak stance on policies like "the death penalty" which many people may overlook during these horrific times of economic distress and pandemic hardship to me signifies even more he is looking for weak minded votes based on him wanting to capture anyone who simply does not like Trump.




I am also very frustrated with the fact that so much of Leftist politics in the U.S. has become less about specific policies and more about defeating Trump.

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imachavel said:
I personally hate Trump. I feel like anybody with half a brain would vote against him. He is a moron. But this is his persona. He is a smart manipulative motherfucker. He gets people to think of him as a child then at the last minute pulls out a lot of shit a smart person would say and wins peoples hearts and minds. Retarded peoples hearts and minds of course.




He's literally a reality T.V. show star pretending to be president, and his cabinet members are the ones with all the real power who are pulling all the strings. They have a symbiotic relationship with him: they stroke his ego and make him feel like a big, powerful president, and he facilitates policies that serve their economic interests. It's beyond fucked.


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But Biden is fucked if he thinks his own Democrats won't turn on him. So if I were Biden I would have a strong stance on the death penalty.




I think it's in Biden's best interest to come across as neutral as possible at this point. He has to maintain enough status-quo appearance that he won't seem like an extremist, while also seeming less bigoted and rude than Trump if he wants to win the election.

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:shrug: you know the overconfidence on the left side is the weakness. Real talk man. I hate Trump but he is going to win if Biden just keeps acting like "a good person" expecting it to matter when elections come up. He needs to lie better. He needs to make something up. He needs to pretend like he has a stance on the death penalty. I mean its sad and politics are sad but a candidate like Trump who has an opinion will win against Biden if Biden doesn't.




I'm planning on voting for Biden, but I am definitely not overconfident in him. I fully recognize that the battle ain't over until it's over, and we, as Democrats, need to make sure that we do everything he can to support him. It's not going to be an automatic victory.




To be totally honest it beats me why I even argue the specifics of politics anymore. Most political groups are people who just go to protests and start large fist fights with each other and claim every bad issue that ever existed is based on what the other candidate is messing up and what their candidate is trying to fix.

I feel like Biden is like the Union and Trump is like the Confederacy and there is a huge civil war going on and each side one side says "we are trying to free the slaves" then the other side is like "you don't care about the slaves it is just an excuse to invade us. We secede." Then one side is like "well you can't secede. We are invading. Submit to the Union." Then the confederates are like "what jobs will you give these niggers anyway? We will fight until you allow us to secede." Then the Union is like "the niggers will fight for us to free the other niggers" and its obvious none of what anyone is doing is about helping the slaves.

So you have BLM which supports Biden then all lives matter which supports Trump but mixed in with BLM is Antifa but mixed in with Trump supporters are Proud Boys and Skin Heads. Then they go fist fight in the street claiming their candidate is about equality and saving the economy. Both claim the other side is against freedom.

To be honest what is the difference between Trump and Biden? Both support big business. Both want policies that support super white rich people and destroy minorities. Both will see a riot happen on the day of their inauguration. Neither cares about covid patients or the economy. If Biden wins the Proud Boys will storm Washington DC and try and burn it to the ground. If Trump wins Antifa will storm DC and try and burn it to the ground.

Why take sides in what is basically going to be a small civil war supporting candidates that do not care for people any more then the Union or Confederacy cared for the slaves? If the Confederacy won the slaves were going to continue being slaves working for no money. If the Union won the slaves would be freed with no promise of jobs and would face 100 years of racism and inequality and some ways were better off being slaves. The Union and Confederacy fought for their own agenda and the slaves were a consequential by product to get troops riled up with morale to go and fight even harder but never did the slaves actually matter any more then a side issue to the main agenda being fought over which was control of land and politics to both sides.






So why should I vote in this mess? For either party? It would be a total insult towards everything I stand for which is the true definition of Communism which is a community for all or true Democracy which is a truly fair and equal society in terms of rights and economic welfare where everyone has an equal say. You get what I am saying?

As far as I can tell both candidates represent the same shit except one is representing the left and the other is representing the right. Trump does not mind having quite a few thousand skin heads represent his cause and Biden does not mind having the Black Panther party represent his cause both parties are seeing massive city to city street fights and riots defend each ones cause. It is disgusting to me that either candidate will win an election this year.


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    #26881672 - 08/15/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26881733 - 08/15/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Or vote third party:shrug:




No 3rd party suits me this year. Libertarians are almost nonexistent at this point

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You should vote anyway; write in none of the above to express your dissatisfaction with the presented options. That’s my move.




I should. I should vote "no war mongers"

https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-blasts-nypd-unions-trump-endorsement/amp/

Not that I should keep track anymore voicing my opinion that I am dissatisfied with all the current war pigs in power at the moment but I see Biden's chances going seriously downhill at this point the entire NYPD endorses Trump.

Living in NY for a bit myself I see all the NYC hipsters who are totally anti Trump being totally pissed and dissatisfied about this and probably having severe issues with the NYCPD at this point but it does seem that Trump is playing on the medias perception that all of Biden's supporters are totally for de fund the police and is feeding the paranoia that America has that with Biden as President we will live in a police less country and anarchy will reign.

The same media that tried to discredit Trump as being such a bad guy is now fueling the fire to help him win. Didn't I say it? Didn't I say 4 months ago that all the bad attention Trump is getting is going to get him a win when the same rat filled media corporations that painted him as incompetent during the beginning of the covid pandemic are going to fuel the same fire burn his opponent down that they used to try and burn him down?

I so see this being a for sure win for Trump. We have to see. But I said it. Not that it matters. I bet no money on it. But I see 4 more years of Trump. Come election day the losing side is going to burn down a major city just like they did in LA when the Rodney King beaters were acquitted. No one wants to lose this year. I would lock and load with your doors and windows shut tight this election season.

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    #26881753 - 08/15/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So why should I vote in this mess? For either party? It would be a total insult towards everything I stand for which is the true definition of Communism which is a community for all or true Democracy which is a truly fair and equal society in terms of rights and economic welfare where everyone has an equal say. You get what I am saying?




I think if you value democracy, you should still vote. I'm not saying democracy is a flawless system (it isn't), but if you think it has some sort of value, then I think participating in it validates it. I'm also not saying that our system is the best form of democracy (it isn't - it's being exploited by billionaire capitalists). However, if we, the people, give up on democracy as a whole because of the flaws in the system, I think we're left with the question of what's going to replace that system, and the idea honestly sends shivers down my spine.

I know voting is lame. It sucks, and it doesn't feel like any of the mainstream candidates support the interests of the working class. You and I are on the same page about that. Still, I think the moment we give up faith in our democratic institutions, flawed as they may be, is the moment we submit to whatever powers are already in place.


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    #26881757 - 08/15/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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No 3rd party suits me this year. Libertarians are almost nonexistent at this point



I'm likely going with Howie Hawkins, Green Party.  Most definitely anti-war.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26881913 - 08/15/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26885829 - 08/17/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The only thing wrong with this meme is she aint gonna be VP.



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    #26885858 - 08/17/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

First and foremost is voting against more nessicary death and economic ruin. I don't agree with all their policies it's not the choice I want. It's voting against voter suppression when the chips are down for the president. It's about voting for a president that will at least attempt to give a unifying message on tense race relations, wearing masks as a country to get our cases and deaths down to a manageable level.

It's voting for action on climate change instead of being complacent. in the last month there's been about 100k+ acres of fires just in California, record breaking tempatures, today here it was 111 and in death valley it was 133 which is the hottest recorded temp in history closet being an unverified 134 in 1918. It's about getting money back into the economy through people that don't have jobs having a little spending money until we can get covid under control to a degree where we can move on. Trump has shown his incompetence in times of crisis as a president.

That's why it's encouraging to see the Lincoln project give a voice to conservatives but recognize he has considered himself above the Constitution and his shown that use other than capable I'm leaving the country. Also Republican voters against Trump is a great organization that has life long republicans tell their story of how they realized Trump is not just a differing opinion but a threat to our nation on many levels. A lot of these testimonials come from soldiers as well and many things Trump has done and said about soldiers has convinced them he's a threat to the nation, said horrible things about John McCain because he was captured and tortured to more serious insults to soldiers like suggesting we should pull forces out of South Korea and they work there and know how vital our presence there is among many more testimonials.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26885875 - 08/17/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The only thing wrong with this meme is she aint gonna be VP.








This is how Democrats know for sure their candidate is going to win. America supports this. Remember at the polls.

Also no one figured out the importance of Baron Acton

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    #26886220 - 08/18/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The only thing wrong with this meme is she aint gonna be VP.






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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: koods]
    #26886268 - 08/18/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it's a dumb meme. The Mini those clowns are riding in is probably pretty sweet though.

Let's not forget that Harris is one of the most progressive voters. https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate


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    #26886275 - 08/18/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"The Reason Kamala Harris Flip-Flops on Medicare For All!"



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: nooneman]
    #26886288 - 08/18/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Then send me a pm for friendly wager.



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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26886298 - 08/18/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure that supporting a medicare for all plan that doesn't abolish private insurance is a flip flop at all. Has a single viable medicare for all plan been written that ends private insurance in total? Not that I am aware of. It seems to me that medicare for all could simply mean that all people would have the option to participate in medicare. I think Jimmy is being a little disingenuous here.

The rest of the clip is good though.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26886306 - 08/18/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"The Reason Kamala Harris Flip-Flops on Medicare For All!"






We'll most likely end up with some slightly better Obamacare. I disagree, as do you, that she was a bad pick strategically for Biden.

Her position on the political spectrum likely will lead to a lot of flip flopping. I didn't catch when she changed the stance. VPs (other than Dick Chaney) are followers not leaders. George H Bush was pro-abortion till he became Reagan's VP.


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    #26886327 - 08/18/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure that supporting a medicare for all plan that doesn't abolish private insurance is a flip flop at all. Has a single viable medicare for all plan been written that ends private insurance in total? Not that I am aware of. It seems to me that medicare for all could simply mean that all people would have the option to participate in medicare. I think Jimmy is being a little disingenuous here.

The rest of the clip is good though.




I agree with Bernie Sanders that medicare for all is not economically viable without basically abolishing private insurance. This article does a decent job of explaining the difference between medicare for all and public option.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/politics/health-care-explainer/index.html

Hah, in the video Harris said she misinterpreted the question.


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    #26886350 - 08/18/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Some of the headlines Jimmy presents are all over the place time wise too. The KHN article is from 5 days ago, while the Newsweek article is from last year. It seems that we should really be talking about her policy as the VP candidate, as certainly, her platform is going to have to get tightened up.

From Politico;

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Perhaps no issue was more damaging to Harris’ presidential campaign than her fluctuating position on “Medicare for All.” As a Senate freshman and rising political star in 2017, she was among the first prominent Democrats to sign on to Bernie Sanders’ single-payer bill, at the time calling it “the right thing to do.”

But during the Democratic primary, after initially doubling down on the idea of eliminating private insurance in favor of a government-run system, she quickly backtracked. Her poll numbers tumbled amid weeks of questions about her core beliefs on a topic that has singularly cleaved the party’s liberal and moderate wings.

Harris ultimately pitched her own solution that sought to split the difference: giving Americans the choice of enrolling in tightly regulated private health insurance plans or picking a public one. But the proposal only raised further misgivings about Harris’ policy credentials and whether she had previously backed Medicare for All largely to score points with the Democratic base.

Since then, Harris has avoided weighing in on the coverage debate and has emphasized greater support for underserved communities amid a pandemic that she has warned has “worsened long-standing disparities in our country.” Harris is also among those calling for new investments to address the nation’s maternal mortality crisis, which has left Black women three times as likely to die from pregnancy-related complications than white women.




I'd say this is less editorialized than Jimmy's take.

But here's the Newsweek article Jimmy refernced by headling;

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Speaking at a Hamptons fundraiser to corporate executives and one-percenters, Harris explained that she has "not been comfortable" with the healthcare plan written by her 2020 competitor Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

"I think almost every member of the United States Senate who's running for President and many others, have signed on to a variety of plans in the Senate. And I have done the same," she said at the fundraiser, according to her campaign. "[A]ll of them are good ideas, which is why I support them. And I support Medicare for All. But as you may have noticed, over the course of many months, I've not been comfortable with Bernie's plan, the Medicare for All plan."




https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-healthcare-medicare-all-bernie-sanders-1455106

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    #26886433 - 08/18/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It is flip flopping. But it's an expected response from her.

The middle of the road is always an unprincipled place to be, but we seem to only get to choose between conservative Republicans and middle of the road Democrats, in this country, except the first Bush who was a middle of the road Republican.


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    #26886483 - 08/18/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure that supporting a medicare for all plan that doesn't abolish private insurance is a flip flop at all. Has a single viable medicare for all plan been written that ends private insurance in total? Not that I am aware of. It seems to me that medicare for all could simply mean that all people would have the option to participate in medicare. I think Jimmy is being a little disingenuous here.

The rest of the clip is good though.




So a written plan must be on record or the concept of Medicare For All doesn't hold any merit?  There have been plenty of studies showing Medicare For All and the cost analysis that goes with the plan. What the hell has Bernie been promoting all of this time?  Yes, I understand that there's different versions of Medicare For All, but the basic concept remains the same if we model other universal health care programs around the world.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26888832 - 08/19/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree with Bernie Sanders that medicare for all is not economically viable without basically abolishing private insurance. This article does a decent job of explaining the difference between medicare for all and public option.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/politics/health-care-explainer/index.html



Ya, there's a HUGE difference between Medicare for All, and a Public Option.  Medicare for All is paid for out of taxes, so no one has to worry about it, while a Public Option is paid for the same way as private insurance; you get it if you can afford it.

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    #26889174 - 08/19/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Kamala Harris speech, she all Apple Pie and quoting the Bible. According to her.... Joe Biden is a demigod.


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    #26889189 - 08/19/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Kamala Harris speech, she all Apple Pie and quoting the Bible. According to her.... Joe Biden is a demigod.



Do you have a link to the speech? Not trying to argue with you, just want to read it for myself.


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    #26889233 - 08/19/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Damn,
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Kamala Harris speech, she all Apple Pie and quoting the Bible. According to her.... Joe Biden is a demigod.



Do you have a link to the speech? Not trying to argue with you, just want to read it for myself.




Sure:

to the word that teaches me to walk by faith, and not by sight,

From https://www.demconvention.com/press-releases/select-remarks-from-senator-kamala-harris-from-night-three-of-the-2020-democratic-national-convention/


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    #26890089 - 08/20/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26890197 - 08/20/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Probably inevitable when Biden surpassed Bern.  Yet the right wing msm still has the gall to project Biden far left.  :nonono:

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    #26890242 - 08/20/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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    #26890289 - 08/20/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

When both sides continue to sling shit!
It is  thier livelihoods (along with MSM) and strategies, after all.


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    #26911813 - 09/01/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The left is completely fucked this election cycle.

Kamala Harris said talking to Colbert that the riots aren't going to stop even AFTER the election. Considering she's essentially running for president (Biden is senile and will be replaced by her if he wins), this is what you're going to get if you vote Dem this year: A WOMAN WHO INADVERTENTLY ADMITTED SHE WILL NOT STOP THE RIOTING IF SHE'S ELECTED. (She actually encouraged them in the interview.)

Well, there goes at least a few more thousand votes into the Trump bucket.

The comments section gives me hope. This is fuckin' Stephen Colbert's official channel and everyone is STILL bashing on Harris.

EDIT: This is older than I thought, (2 months or so) but good to know she feels this way.




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    #26912212 - 09/01/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What's Trump doing to stop anything?  Just spectating like the rest of us.


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    #26912234 - 09/01/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The left is completely fucked this election cycle.

Kamala Harris said talking to Colbert that the riots aren't going to stop even AFTER the election. Considering she's essentially running for president (Biden is senile and will be replaced by her if he wins), this is what you're going to get if you vote Dem this year: A WOMAN WHO INADVERTENTLY ADMITTED SHE WILL NOT STOP THE RIOTING IF SHE'S ELECTED. (She actually encouraged them in the interview.)

Well, there goes at least a few more thousand votes into the Trump bucket.

The comments section gives me hope. This is fuckin' Stephen Colbert's official channel and everyone is STILL bashing on Harris.

EDIT: This is older than I thought, (2 months or so) but good to know she feels this way.






Lmao this was 2 months ago but she meant what I say in the context of b3ing the VP pick


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    #26912249 - 09/01/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What's Trump doing to stop anything?  Just spectating like the rest of us.



Yeah this has been my biggest question to people. There's a reason why it's as bad as it is right now. There was was racial unifying speech, no understanding of frustration, no attempts to try and desecrate. He thinks his biggest reelection assets is letting tensions get high in dems cities grow. But in reality he is the leader of the country morally or should be at least. He tweet 89 times after a Trump supporter was shot but didn't post anything but support from Kyle rittenhouse. They're both murderers but he needs the division to win.


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    #26912324 - 09/01/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What's Trump doing to stop anything?  Just spectating like the rest of us.




He's allowing the states to show their true colors. He's said there is a line and if its crossed he will get involved on more than one occasions, not necessarily in those words.

He has verbally condemned the riots constantly. The dems only started condemning the riots once they realized it was affecting the blue vote. (So only recently.) Even Den Lemon reported on it. For them, the ONLY reason the rioting needs to stop is polls. Up until the point they no longer thought it was going to work in their favor, they encouraged the rioting.


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    #26912636 - 09/01/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What's Trump doing to stop anything?  Just spectating like the rest of us.




He's allowing the states to show their true colors. He's said there is a line and if its crossed he will get involved on more than one occasions, not necessarily in those words.

He has verbally condemned the riots constantly. The dems only started condemning the riots once they realized it was affecting the blue vote. (So only recently.) Even Den Lemon reported on it. For them, the ONLY reason the rioting needs to stop is polls. Up until the point they no longer thought it was going to work in their favor, they encouraged the rioting.




Ok, so there is no action that you're aware of to stop the protesting/rioting other than verbal condemnation?

News alert!!!  The protesters don't give a flying fuck about Biden/Harris and the Democratic Party when it comes to their protesting on the streets. So Corporate Establishment POS Don Lemon can say anything he wants about it and it doesn't mean a dam thing.

The R's and D's can play political theater all day long with the protesting and it doesn't matter at all. Trump does NOT have any solution. His attempt to send in Federal agents quickly turned into a massive PR failure.


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    #26912675 - 09/01/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Establishment dems are as useless as republicans.  They are the same party.  Expect even more brutal crack downs and infringement of civil liberties under Crime Bill Biden and Top Cop Kamala.  The only difference will be the "tone", and the fact that shitlibs will go back to blissfully ignorant sleep


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: qman]
    #26912686 - 09/01/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What's Trump doing to stop anything?  Just spectating like the rest of us.




He's allowing the states to show their true colors. He's said there is a line and if its crossed he will get involved on more than one occasions, not necessarily in those words.

He has verbally condemned the riots constantly. The dems only started condemning the riots once they realized it was affecting the blue vote. (So only recently.) Even Den Lemon reported on it. For them, the ONLY reason the rioting needs to stop is polls. Up until the point they no longer thought it was going to work in their favor, they encouraged the rioting.




Ok, so there is no action that you're aware of to stop the protesting/rioting other than verbal condemnation?

News alert!!!  The protesters don't give a flying fuck about Biden/Harris and the Democratic Party when it comes to their protesting on the streets. So Corporate Establishment POS Don Lemon can say anything he wants about it and it doesn't mean a dam thing.

The R's and D's can play political theater all day long with the protesting and it doesn't matter at all. Trump does NOT have any solution. His attempt to send in Federal agents quickly turned into a massive PR failure.




I think Trump is quite willing to send in the feds once again if things get bad enough.

Two things:

#1: It's going to have to first get a lot worse to justify that kind of force and the people are going to have to ask for it first. It's going to have to become even more obvious that intervention is needed.

#2: As it stands, Trump is gunning to win 2020. Things will be different in the second term if/when he wins.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26912788 - 09/01/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
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qman said:
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Vahn421 said:
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qman said:
What's Trump doing to stop anything?  Just spectating like the rest of us.




He's allowing the states to show their true colors. He's said there is a line and if its crossed he will get involved on more than one occasions, not necessarily in those words.

He has verbally condemned the riots constantly. The dems only started condemning the riots once they realized it was affecting the blue vote. (So only recently.) Even Den Lemon reported on it. For them, the ONLY reason the rioting needs to stop is polls. Up until the point they no longer thought it was going to work in their favor, they encouraged the rioting.




Ok, so there is no action that you're aware of to stop the protesting/rioting other than verbal condemnation?

News alert!!!  The protesters don't give a flying fuck about Biden/Harris and the Democratic Party when it comes to their protesting on the streets. So Corporate Establishment POS Don Lemon can say anything he wants about it and it doesn't mean a dam thing.

The R's and D's can play political theater all day long with the protesting and it doesn't matter at all. Trump does NOT have any solution. His attempt to send in Federal agents quickly turned into a massive PR failure.




I think Trump is quite willing to send in the feds once again if things get bad enough.

Two things:

#1: It's going to have to first get a lot worse to justify that kind of force and the people are going to have to ask for it first. It's going to have to become even more obvious that intervention is needed.

#2: As it stands, Trump is gunning to win 2020. Things will be different in the second term if/when he wins.




I agree that IF Trump were to win that he would have some temporary political ammo to send in some Federal agents and attempt to calm things down. At the end of the day, it's still going to backfire because it wouldn't have enough support, remember EVERYTHING will be on video. That's a no win situation for a government that wants to piss on the US Constitution.


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Re: Kamala Harris gets the veep pick. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26913225 - 09/02/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The left is completely fucked this election cycle.

Kamala Harris said talking to Colbert that the riots aren't going to stop even AFTER the election. Considering she's essentially running for president (Biden is senile and will be replaced by her if he wins), this is what you're going to get if you vote Dem this year: A WOMAN WHO INADVERTENTLY ADMITTED SHE WILL NOT STOP THE RIOTING IF SHE'S ELECTED. (She actually encouraged them in the interview.)

Well, there goes at least a few more thousand votes into the Trump bucket.

The comments section gives me hope. This is fuckin' Stephen Colbert's official channel and everyone is STILL bashing on Harris.

EDIT: This is older than I thought, (2 months or so) but good to know she feels this way.







Even the Republicans know they are going to lose the Presidency and the Senate. Mitch McConnel told candidates to distance themselves from Trump if they need to.

You're acting like the President can stop the riots. Trump can't do it. Trying to blame the Democrats before they take office is ?????. There will be plenty to blame them for starting next year.

Also have no idea why you said "inadvertently" or why you're capitalizing everything. Take your meds.


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