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Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen 7
#26874722 - 08/11/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I strongly feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen of choice.
LSD, Lysergamides and Research Chemicals require a laboratory and a qualified chemist to be produced. Their production is centralized and, thereby, vulnerable. The bottleneck here is that the number of qualified chemists involved with entheogens is very limited.
Ayahuasca taxes the jungle for its herbs. There is such a thing as sustainable growing of the vines, herbs and trees involved, but right now that is far from realized. We cannot burden the Amazon with the clearing of vines and herbs, the ayahuasca resorts and their wastes and burden the shamans of existing tribes with the needs of literally multitudes of millions of people who seek their healing. It is not ethical.
Mushrooms, by contrast, can be produced in great abundance with only minimal expertise and without need for a laboratory. A hand of grain + 2 spores = a hand of mushrooms + 2 million spores. Mushrooms grow on human staple foods (grain) or the wastes they produce (chaff), can be scaled up to serve any number of people in need of them, rapidly and completely, and in doing so multiply the spores that enable their cultivation millionfold. The cultivation can be made so simple it would be a viable kid's science project in legal times. Mushrooms represent a rapidly renewable inexhaustible resource for the common man.
Unlike LSD, mushrooms don't require sophisticated dosing equipment and unlike ayahuasca, no vomiting and forbidden foods list are necessarily involved.
Unlike LSD and Ayahuasca, a single dose reliably lasts 4-6 hours, a durations befitting a dedicated therapeutic sitting. Like Ayahuasca, but more favorably so, it can be boostered.
Unlike psychedelics from the laboratory, mushrooms know thousands of years of entheogenic use. It is not a pharmacologically lopsided analogue but a dyed-in-the-wool DMT analogue.
On the chemical level, Psilocybin breaks down to 4-hydroxy-DMT, one oxygen atom apart from DMT and this in such a way that it renders the DMT potently orally active.
Mushrooms can be taken with harmala alkaloid sources like Ayahuasca vine or commercially cultivated and sold Syrian Rue seeds into "Psilohuasca", a concoction that combines the magic of Ayahuasca with that of Mushrooms. Psilohuasca made with Syrian Rue seeds, that are an article of commerce and too are an inexhaustible resource, is an ecofriendly Ayahuasca alternative.
Why rely on rarity induced by complex chemistry or rarity induced by jungle origins or endangered species like peyote when regular people can fill any supply void with psilocybin mushrooms and psilohuasca -- when multitudes of millions are aching to be helped by these medicines and more and more therapists of all kinds are itching to work with them?
The Mushroom is the way to go. It decentralizes supply as an inexhaustible renewable resource, growing literally on the wastes of human vegetable food production.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#26874783 - 08/11/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Couldn't agree more, awesome write up.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante] 1
#26874803 - 08/11/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's something going on, doesn't make sense. Why are we not using shrooms as medicine? I think money and control have alot to do with it. There not patentable also. I think there's more natural medicines that are illegal for the same reasons, if its natural they can't make money from it.
There's like no reason atall for them to be illegal... But they are. Most people are lazy and prefer pills, nothing to think about... Maybe shrooms are too complex for society? Like a child driving a car... He/she just isn't ready for that yet and could easily be a danger to themselves.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#26876168 - 08/12/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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As much as I love LSD (it's my favorite psychedelic), I agree that mushrooms are the most therapeutic and medically beneficial. They should become the primary therapeutic psychedelic of choice. There isn't anything else like them, if you ask me. It isn't just about their availability, but also about their effects. Mushrooms are by far the most medically useful and therapeutic psychedelic I've ever tried.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: nooneman]
#26876348 - 08/12/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its literally DMT with an oxygen atom slipped between the 4C and the 4H. This makes it an indolol that is potently active orally, so no injections necessary, and because it lasts longer than DMT you learn lots and lots more, making it more therapeutic.
The Dutch Government had a study done about the safety of shrooms and from it emerged that it was among the safest drugs and that psychological problems usually stay confined to anxiety during the drug effect.
Its a really good substance, as close to DMT as you can get and in some ways, improved on it.
Injected intravenously, the effects of psilocybin are almost indistinguisghable from DMT, but longer acting.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#26877277 - 08/12/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you have experience with intravenous psilocybin? Where on earth did you find synthetic psilocybin powder??
(disclaimer: not asking for a source, this is a rhetorical question)
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Rhizomorph]
#26877318 - 08/12/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not me, I don't inject, it's in TiHKAL.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#26877332 - 08/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah fair enough. I've really got to get around to reading it.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante] 1
#26877425 - 08/12/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not only does it decentralize supply and make it available to those who want to grow, but growing, I think, is an awesome way to own your self-medication.
Most substances that people self medicate with require acquiring it through a process that has at least some stigma associated with it. Asking for help with mental health from the medical establishment definitely has a stigma attached, even if doctors and psychiatrists don't want that to be the case. And even buying alcohol... you walk up to a register at the grocery store with more booze than food and you feel like you're probably being judged by at least a few people.
Or worse, you're interacting with people on the black market or illegally to procure medicine you know will help you but the government doesn't approve of. If anyone finds out (work, friends, family) they won't understand.
Mushrooms are easy enough to grow so those of us who want to self medicate with them can do so easily and with no stigma or reproach. Easy to grow fairly stealthily, easy to store for later in various dosages and methods of consumption.
I personally feel better just knowing I can be the master of my own supply of medicine and use it when and as I see fit. I am beholden to no one. Plus I am growing living things and learning the science of mycology, which is fun. It's beneficial all around.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: the strander]
#26878078 - 08/13/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushrooms are especially excellent because of the personal cultivation potential. I have not wrapped my head around that mini-farming thing, but one day I hope to.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: redgreenvines]
#26878219 - 08/13/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like mentioned already, shrooms amazingly safe and harmless unlike LSD or other psychedelics that you need the skills and knowledge to produce that stuff properly.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante] 1
#26878227 - 08/13/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I disagree. These substances affect people differently, and what works best for one doesn’t necessarily work best for another. For example, LSD is far more therapeutic for me as compared to psilocybin/psilocin. As is mescaline. And MDMA also has profound therapeutic benefits. We should have myriad options, not just one.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: redgreenvines]
#26878404 - 08/13/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: mushrooms are especially excellent because of the personal cultivation potential. I have not wrapped my head around that mini-farming thing, but one day I hope to.
one can be completely off grid but on beat.
Growing mushrooms isn’t hard, especially on small scales. Often the only thing holding people back is themselves.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26878497 - 08/13/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Growing my own has been one of the best decisions I have made. Getting into it is not hard at all, this place is full of great info ~
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#26880645 - 08/14/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: I strongly feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen of choice.
Thought I'd check out the new forum. Couldn't agree more, really. 
I've been using them as medicine for a hell of a long time now and I advocate their use as well personally.
Extending resources like these helps people find their original connection, and that can only be beneficial.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Dark_Star]
#26881017 - 08/15/20 03:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: LSD is far more therapeutic for me as compared to psilocybin/psilocin. As is mescaline.
How do you define Therapeutic?
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#26881074 - 08/15/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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largely equivalent medicines with slightly different style to each. like comparing Boris Bijian to Carl Lagerffeld
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#26881145 - 08/15/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Learning about myself, facing and overcoming fears, past pain, personal & spiritual growth, etc.... the most therapeutic & healing trip I’ve ever had came about from LSD & MDMA..... and not even large amounts of either considering my typical doses.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Dark_Star]
#26882270 - 08/15/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think if we WERE going to make a blanket statement, Id say that mushrooms would have to be the first option offered to someone for therapy rather than jumping in with an LSD MDMA cocktail though....to say the least.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Smartattack]
#26882289 - 08/15/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, the first option would be whichever one suited the individual & circumstances of the patient best. Blanket statements are a no-go here. This is medicine, and effective medicine is targeted to the needs & individualities of the patient. It’s not a one size fits all thing at all.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Dark_Star]
#26882325 - 08/15/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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However, I do believe that the mushroom should be the therapeutic entheogen that is primarily introduced to the public domain through the medical model. For the reasons Asante listed.
I believe we will get to the point where we have widespread standardized clinical & medical application of a variety of psychedelics at some point. But... in the mean time we will need to focus on one or two that have the best results for the most people to begin with. Psilocybin is a great substance to push the psychedelic renaissance forward and introduce psychedelic therapy to the public.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Dark_Star]
#26882368 - 08/15/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: No, the first option would be whichever one suited the individual & circumstances of the patient best. Blanket statements are a no-go here. This is medicine, and effective medicine is targeted to the needs & individualities of the patient. It’s not a one size fits all thing at all.
Yeah...but you dont know what works for someone till you start somewhere. Im suggesting you start with mushrooms as a baseline, not synth combos lol.
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Asante said: The cultivation can be made so simple it would be a viable kid's science project in legal times.
That is a beautiful thought.
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Nice theory, but there is another contender that has an advantage!
San Pedro Cactus (and where legal, esp Canada maybe Peyote). Or other legal Mescaline containing Cactus.
The advantages are...
Mescaline is a very positive and deep and long lasting experience. It is pretty safe. It is fully legal to buy, own and grow the Cactus, it is only illegal (generally) to consume it, but basically impossible to test and like most other Psychedelic's apparently doesn't show up on standard drug screening urinalyses tests.
It is easier to grow that Mushrooms being a regular plant essentially, not as much need to be super careful about how clean you do it. And there is no risk of getting a look alike that is deadly.
Now I will admit there is a huge down side, sure it sucks significantly that you need so much of it, and yet once established it is a fast grower, and maybe it's best needing to pace yourself a little!
The reason I have opted for Mescaline is that to be totally sure that a mushroom spores are genuine examples of the right species I would need to be in contact with someone that grows them and has experience in NZ, and I just don't know anyone!
Where there is no such issue with buying Cactus, I can buy this openly and have bought from two people already, setting up a 3rd sale and can do so openly, can buy it from a garden center, and no risk that who I am buying from might be an undercover cop (not that that is hugely likely, but being quite without contacts you never know).
I have considered buying spore prints, but could get in serious trouble for importing them, and apparently spore prints seldom work anyway.
All of that put it in the too hard basket!
If laws were sane, then yes, Mushrooms would be an excellent option.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Meschead] 1
#27573626 - 12/08/21 01:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've sent spore prints to NZ before, to needy folk. They can be easily disguised as legit letters, FWIW. Check the marketplace and make a plea to anybody who has something you like.
You'll have to hang around here for 90 days I think and make something like 20 posts to gain access, but totally worthwhile. 
But what you say about mescaline makes sense in terms of sourcing, however I've never tried it (only Psilocybin species).
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: PrimalSoup]
#27596163 - 12/27/21 10:05 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whilst I would agree that psychedelics can be an incredible tool when used correctly, and are stigmatised greatly (due to being illegal and reported on hysterically by the media), I don't think allowing every man and his dog to grow and use them as they please would be a good thing.
In an ideal world every man and his dog would be educated enough on how to use them properly as medication, but they aren't. They are an extremely powerful drug, that not used properly, does have potential for harm, or at the very least, is wasted.
As with everything like this (weed being a very relevant example), legalising and liberating only works alongside proper knowledge. I think we are a long way from that. At least here in the UK.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Tom66] 1
#27596515 - 12/27/21 04:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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So the alternative is what exactly? Prohibiting personal production/cultivation only leads to greater harms...
All forms of prohibition at every level are substantially worse. Usually the harms of prohibiting cultivation are simply the same harms in a licit system of production with the added harms produced by criminality.
The research has demonstrated countless times that allowing or disallowing every man and his dog to grow mushrooms has 0 impact on the realities of how much mushroom cultivation occurs. Meanwhile, the harms espoused by criminal markets are substantial under prohibition. As such, prohibition has 0 relevance in conversations about reducing drug-related harms. The only relevance is with regards to the harms of criminality, lack of education, victimization, stigma, and reduced autonomy under the prohibitionist system.
Every man and his dog should therefore be allowed to grow mushrooms to minimize harms and maximize benefits.
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Tom66 said: legalising and liberating only works alongside proper knowledge. I think we are a long way from that. At least here in the UK.
I agree that education should be part of whatever regulatory system is employed. Unfortunately if the criterion you are using to determine when/if we should legalize drugs (or mushroom cultivation in this case) is how educated people are, well then legalization will never occur... This is a catch 22; criminalization by default restricts education and so the only way to have the majority of people be properly educated is to legalize cultivation in the first place.
I also believe we understand more than you might think about the relative safety of psychedelics, including across different populations. As a psychedelic researcher, I am more interested in how drug policies themselves produce benefits and harms. The main issue I see right now is not that we are lacking safety data, but that regulatory agencies simply aren't familiar enough with the safety data & have not yet developed regulatory policies and procedures that integrate these data effectively. Of course more safety data is always warranted, but I believe we have enough data to say that personal cultivation produces very little harms, and the few harms that exist are propagated by prohibition. Keep in mind that the "just say no" education model (which doesn't really educate) goes hand in hand with drug prohibition.
I.e., the education is there, it just hasn't been disseminated. Prohibition, if you ask me, is the primary culprit behind this lack of information dissemination.
I'd be curious about what harms specifically you are concerned about? Not to assume anything of you, but generally when I hear people purport psychedelic-related harms in drug policy without detailing the specific harms they are talking about, they are usually just defaulting on the dominant culture's attitudes, generally speaking. But this is just a hunch I have - you may be different 
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Tom66]
#27596579 - 12/27/21 05:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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In an ideal world every man and his dog would be educated enough on how to use them properly as medication, but they aren't.
I think this is an important point. It's important to define the use context. As an actual, approved drug, few of the original points in the OP are relevant. However, if we're talking "underground" use, it's spot on. We're at a critical junction though, as a couple states have already decriminalized. If this continues to happen, there will be little pharmaceutical incentive to continue develop. Few will spend the time and effort to develop psilocybin as a drug if there is no market for it and people use mushrooms.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: badchad]
#27596591 - 12/27/21 05:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Decrim policies on the street + medicalization in institutional settings can co-exist.
We've been conditioned by drug prohibition to think that drug-policies are all encompassing when in fact, if we step back from this blanket eradication-based approach, there can be interweaving regulatory systems that aim to best meet the disparate needs of people across varying social spaces and social strata.
Hopefully this means that decrim won't prevent pharmaceutical interest.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Tom66]
#27596819 - 12/27/21 09:38 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tom66 said: I don't think allowing every man and his dog to grow and use them as they please would be a good thing.
These drugs are awesomely safe and nearly idiot proof, in practice.
Saying they SHOULD be regulated because SOME people might have trouble is like regulating the sale of apples because SOME people won't know how to eat them and choke to death as a result. 
Speaking from experience the legalization (for possession or consumption not cultivation here in OR) makes a HUGE difference in how one feels about the legal ramifications of choosing to cultivate, possess, and consume. And the anxiety attached to that.
This is much like weed legalization has been and IMHO can only be a good thing overall.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: This is much like weed legalization has been and IMHO can only be a good thing overall. 
I just wish the bastards making the most money off cannabis weren't the exact same corporate bastards who lobbied for cannabis to remain illegal in the first place...
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Rhizomorph]
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Who said anything about buying?
Roll your own all the way.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Funny that it is not criminal to consume or have but the inevitable process by which it is generated is criminal.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: Who said anything about buying?
Roll your own all the way. 
Hahaha touché
 
I assume you originally got your seeds from a government authorized vendor though right?? RIGHT??? *Gobernment watch list intensifies*
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PrimalSoup said: for possession or consumption not cultivation here in OR
Funny that it is not criminal to consume or have but the inevitable process by which it is generated is criminal.
It's more like a start. All schedule 1 drugs received the same treatment regardless of method of production.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Rhizomorph]
#27598788 - 12/29/21 03:28 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Who said anything about buying?
Roll your own all the way. 
Hahaha touché
 
I assume you originally got your seeds from a government authorized vendor though right?? RIGHT??? *Gobernment watch list intensifies*
Uhm no I just paid cash for a lovely clone.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: PrimalSoup]
#27598918 - 12/29/21 05:13 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Uhm no I just paid cash for a lovely clone. 
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
#27598937 - 12/29/21 05:31 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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Dark_Star said: LSD is far more therapeutic for me as compared to psilocybin/psilocin. As is mescaline.
How do you define Therapeutic?
Agree to Mescaline. That one there sits on top the rest.
I bid Syrian Rue seeds alone over therapeutic use to mushrooms.
Mushrooms fun to dork at the house. I couldn’t imagine any therapy.
“A million different people from one day to the next.”
Why look to a stranger who is there for pursuit of pay in career and see to open up for therapy?
Get a girl and make love. That’s therapy!
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: WhoManBeing]
#27599201 - 12/29/21 09:22 PM (2 years, 30 days ago) |
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WhoManBeing said: Agree to Mescaline. That one there sits on top the rest.
Mescaline just gets down to business. People say it takes a few hours to take effect, that's true for some of it but the beginning starts in minutes for me. It is clear, the messages are unmistakable, the insights are unbelievable.
It can completely neutralize pain, psychological and physical.
It is pretty amenable to microdosing too IMO, and low dosing, middle dosing, everything in between.
The edge of mushrooms though is speed of production as opposed to even the fastest Trichocereus species.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: CreonAntigone]
#27612345 - 01/09/22 12:07 AM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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Anything that causes abreaction in the nervous system is therapeutic. Also anything that causes an odyssey is therapeutic because as William James first stated, pure emotions purify the being of the personality in question.
Humankind has not yet realised life is hardcore. That's why hardcore experiences land you in the best places. We still timidly think life to be the work of a benevolent creator or a nanny, despite how hardcore we make it. Life doesn't give you a chance, you just gotta live, starting right now. The sooner we realise that, the sooner we will legalise hardcore experiences.
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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: psilocybinmansions]
#27612748 - 01/09/22 10:22 AM (2 years, 19 days ago) |
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LSD will always be my psychedelic of choice. It's far less chaotic than mushrooms and you are more in control. Mushrooms give me insane thought loops and induce anxiety in me, not to mention it causes me to get really nauseous on the come up.
LSD is just better in every way to me. Lasts longer, my thoughts are clearer, more euphoric, no nausea and it gives me energy to dance, draw or do whatever sounds good at the time.
We live in the age of the internet. There are no supply issues with LSD.
Mushrooms just force me into a fetal position and force me to take a ride that I'm not sure I even want to be on.
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mushrooms have helped me in many ways [Re: Asante]
#27614433 - 01/10/22 07:38 PM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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That is the best way I have ever heard it put. As long as there is food water and air the fungi thrive and multiply possibly billions or trillions of times over. They seemed to help bring on an sudden and normally painfully difficult end to a very toxic habit of mine. They also helped to solidify and fully self accept my feelings on a certain way I feel and now realize I am happy being that way. I thank you and everyone else who has provided me with the knowledge I needed to get started sustaining a personal supply them for myself on a small scale indefinitely. I now time my batches so when one is exhausted the next is ready to take it's place in a discrete way that doesn't interfere with the rest of my life. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
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