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Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen * 7
    #26874722 - 08/11/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I strongly feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen of choice.

LSD, Lysergamides and Research Chemicals require a laboratory and a qualified chemist to be produced. Their production is centralized and, thereby, vulnerable. The bottleneck here is that the number of qualified chemists involved with entheogens is very limited.

Ayahuasca taxes the jungle for its herbs. There is such a thing as sustainable growing of the vines, herbs and trees involved, but right now that is far from realized. We cannot burden the Amazon with the clearing of vines and herbs, the ayahuasca resorts and their wastes and burden the shamans of existing tribes with the needs of literally multitudes of millions of people who seek their healing. It is not ethical.

Mushrooms, by contrast, can be produced in great abundance with only minimal expertise and without need for a laboratory. A hand of grain + 2 spores = a hand of mushrooms + 2 million spores. Mushrooms grow on human staple foods (grain) or the wastes they produce (chaff), can be scaled up to serve any number of people in need of them, rapidly and completely, and in doing so multiply the spores that enable their cultivation millionfold. The cultivation can be made so simple it would be a viable kid's science project in legal times.
Mushrooms represent a rapidly renewable inexhaustible resource for the common man.

Unlike LSD, mushrooms don't require sophisticated dosing equipment and unlike ayahuasca, no vomiting and forbidden foods list are necessarily involved.

Unlike LSD and Ayahuasca, a single dose reliably lasts 4-6 hours, a durations befitting a dedicated therapeutic sitting. Like Ayahuasca, but more favorably so, it can be boostered.

Unlike psychedelics from the laboratory, mushrooms know thousands of years of entheogenic use. It is not a pharmacologically lopsided analogue but a dyed-in-the-wool DMT analogue.

On the chemical level, Psilocybin breaks down to 4-hydroxy-DMT, one oxygen atom apart from DMT and this in such a way that it renders the DMT potently orally active.

Mushrooms can be taken with harmala alkaloid sources like Ayahuasca vine or commercially cultivated and sold Syrian Rue seeds into "Psilohuasca", a concoction that combines the magic of Ayahuasca with that of Mushrooms. Psilohuasca made with Syrian Rue seeds, that are an article of commerce and too are an inexhaustible resource, is an ecofriendly Ayahuasca alternative.

Why rely on rarity induced by complex chemistry or rarity induced by jungle origins or endangered species like peyote when regular people can fill any supply void with psilocybin mushrooms and psilohuasca -- when multitudes of millions are aching to be helped by these medicines and more and more therapists of all kinds are itching to work with them?

The Mushroom is the way to go. It decentralizes supply as an inexhaustible renewable resource, growing literally on the wastes of human vegetable food production.



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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
    #26874783 - 08/11/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Couldn't agree more, awesome write up.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26874803 - 08/11/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There's something going on, doesn't make sense.
Why are we not using shrooms as medicine?
I think money and control have alot to do with it.
There not patentable also.
I think there's more natural medicines that are illegal for the same reasons, if its natural they can't make money from it.

There's like no reason atall for them to be illegal... But they are.
Most people are lazy and prefer pills, nothing to think about... Maybe shrooms are too complex for society?
Like a child driving a car... He/she just isn't ready for that yet and could easily be a danger to themselves.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
    #26876168 - 08/12/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As much as I love LSD (it's my favorite psychedelic), I agree that mushrooms are the most therapeutic and medically beneficial. They should become the primary therapeutic psychedelic of choice. There isn't anything else like them, if you ask me. It isn't just about their availability, but also about their effects. Mushrooms are by far the most medically useful and therapeutic psychedelic I've ever tried.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: nooneman]
    #26876348 - 08/12/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its literally DMT with an oxygen atom slipped between the 4C and the 4H. This makes it an indolol that is potently active orally, so no injections necessary, and because it lasts longer than DMT you learn lots and lots more, making it more therapeutic.

The Dutch Government had a study done about the safety of shrooms and from it emerged that it was among the safest drugs and that psychological problems usually stay confined to anxiety during the drug effect.

Its a really good substance, as close to DMT as you can get and in some ways, improved on it.

Injected intravenously, the effects of psilocybin are almost indistinguisghable from DMT, but longer acting.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
    #26877277 - 08/12/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have experience with intravenous psilocybin? :eek: Where on earth did you find synthetic psilocybin powder??

(disclaimer: not asking for a source, this is a rhetorical question)


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26877318 - 08/12/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Not me, I don't inject, it's in TiHKAL.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
    #26877332 - 08/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ah fair enough. I've really got to get around to reading it.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26877425 - 08/12/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Not only does it decentralize supply and make it available to those who want to grow, but growing, I think, is an awesome way to own your self-medication.

Most substances that people self medicate with require acquiring it through a process that has at least some stigma associated with it. Asking for help with mental health from the medical establishment definitely has a stigma attached, even if doctors and psychiatrists don't want that to be the case. And even buying alcohol... you walk up to a register at the grocery store with more booze than food and you feel like you're probably being judged by at least a few people.

Or worse, you're interacting with people on the black market or illegally to procure medicine you know will help you but the government doesn't approve of. If anyone finds out (work, friends, family) they won't understand.

Mushrooms are easy enough to grow so those of us who want to self medicate with them can do so easily and with no stigma or reproach. Easy to grow fairly stealthily, easy to store for later in various dosages and methods of consumption.

I personally feel better just knowing I can be the master of my own supply of medicine and use it when and as I see fit. I am beholden to no one. Plus I am growing living things and learning the science of mycology, which is fun. It's beneficial all around.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: the strander]
    #26878078 - 08/13/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

mushrooms are especially excellent because of the personal cultivation potential.
I have not wrapped my head around that mini-farming thing, but one day I hope to.

one can be completely off grid but on beat.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26878219 - 08/13/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Like mentioned already, shrooms amazingly safe and harmless unlike LSD or other psychedelics that you need the skills and knowledge to produce that stuff properly.

The fat cats don't want you helping yourself to your own medicine, you gotta buy their crap instead.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26878227 - 08/13/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree. These substances affect people differently, and what works best for one doesn’t necessarily work best for another. For example, LSD is far more therapeutic for me as compared to psilocybin/psilocin. As is mescaline. And MDMA also has profound therapeutic benefits. We should have myriad options, not just one.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26878404 - 08/13/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
mushrooms are especially excellent because of the personal cultivation potential.
I have not wrapped my head around that mini-farming thing, but one day I hope to.

one can be completely off grid but on beat.




Growing mushrooms isn’t hard, especially on small scales. Often the only thing holding people back is themselves.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26878497 - 08/13/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Growing my own has been one of the best decisions I have made. Getting into it is not hard at all, this place is full of great info ~


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
    #26880645 - 08/14/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I strongly feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen of choice.




Thought I'd check out the new forum.  Couldn't agree more, really. :snoopyes:

I've been using them as medicine for a hell of a long time now and I advocate their use as well personally.

Extending resources like these helps people find their original connection, and that can only be beneficial. :shroomhead:


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26881017 - 08/15/20 03:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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LSD is far more therapeutic for me as compared to psilocybin/psilocin. As is mescaline.




How do you define Therapeutic?


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
    #26881074 - 08/15/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

largely equivalent medicines with slightly different style to each.
like comparing Boris Bijian to Carl Lagerffeld


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Asante]
    #26881145 - 08/15/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Learning about myself, facing and overcoming fears, past pain, personal & spiritual growth, etc.... the most therapeutic & healing trip I’ve ever had came about from LSD & MDMA..... and not even large amounts of either considering my typical doses.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26882270 - 08/15/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think if we WERE going to make a blanket statement, Id say that mushrooms would have to be the first option offered to someone for therapy rather than jumping in with an LSD MDMA cocktail though....to say the least.


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Re: Why I feel that The Mushroom should become the primary therapeutic entheogen [Re: Smartattack]
    #26882289 - 08/15/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

No, the first option would be whichever one suited the individual & circumstances of the patient best. Blanket statements are a no-go here. This is medicine, and effective medicine is targeted to the needs & individualities of the patient. It’s not a one size fits all thing at all.


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