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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26874349 - 08/11/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

i dont know man. just good luck♡ whatever you do. maybe dont have shrooms, just brew some B Caapi (ayahuasca tea) and drink a ton of that and you'll be relaxed and sort of in a psychedelic state, without any anxiety of any sorts.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26874351 - 08/11/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I do a little bit of greens during the comeup as it completely cures any stomach discomfort that happens, and usually later at 3rd hour I'll do more to kickstart the effects as they are waning away at that point.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha] * 1
    #26874497 - 08/11/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time - so if you lie down in bed while coming up, you will seem to be lying on top of your bed on top of your bed and on top of your bed, and so on.

an idea or sound or sight will continue and recycle seemingly indefinitely - sometimes to your delight, sometimes to your detriment, and often to the point of deep understanding which may seem deeper than ever as it continues to resonate meaningfully.

expect this and you wont be disappointed


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874500 - 08/11/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just take them and go lay in bed.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26874528 - 08/11/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply perform the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience unfolds similarly to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874554 - 08/11/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The reasons that are making not want to do it  are the same reasons why you should.

Or perhaps you can face the issues that you know will surface whilst sober.
Maybe there's some lessons from the last trip you still need to address.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26874570 - 08/11/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time - so if you lie down in bed while coming up, you will seem to be lying on top of your bed on top of your bed and on top of your bed, and so on.

an idea or sound or sight will continue and recycle seemingly indefinitely - sometimes to your delight, sometimes to your detriment, and often to the point of deep understanding which may seem deeper than ever as it continues to resonate meaningfully.

expect this and you wont be disappointed




Very poetic and great conceptualization.

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The Mycologist said:
Just take them and go lay in bed.




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redgreenvines said:
psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply performing the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience then unfolds similarity to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.




More sage advice, OP. Listen well to these great people above.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26874575 - 08/11/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I have had this mentality for 3 years, the last of which i actively tried to start feeling comfortable with the thought of tripping. Im thinking that maybe, i just need to take that "leap", but i really dont know, maybe it would be a mistake.




Disclaimer: Don't take the following as a proclamation that you SHOULD trip. It isn't for everyone and not everyone needs to have a mushroom induced psychedelic experience to get the fullness out of life.

BUT, I think you're overthinking it (I do that A LOT as well so I can relate). My ego makes a list, about a billion reasons long, about why I should not trip on the day of my trip. It's all nonsense. Not because those reasons are nonsense, but because my ego will say anything to avoid taking the hard road.

Everything in life requires risk. The lack of doing something does not absolve you of risk. Do or do not, but risk will remain.

There are "risks" to tripping, such as facing psychological traumas that you aren't ready for. There are risks to not tripping (if you genuinely want to), such as perpetuating a mentality of fear.

I can't say which choice is right or wrong, that decision is yours alone.

What I can say is that the ego will readily give you 100 reasons why you shouldn't do anything challenging. So take its chatter with a grain of salt.

If you WANT to trip, then trip. Don't let the excuses and postulations of the ego get in the way.

If you DON'T want to trip, then don't. But find some outlet to help you heal where you may be suffering. And you will find that anything that brings healing will first come with challenge.




Thanks again for these well written thoughts. I on one hand get that ego trying to play me with reasons why not to trip, but on the other hand, there should probably be some healthy fear. Im having trouble with finding where is the line between rightfull and pitiful fear, and because of that im not even sure if i want to trip. I do and i dont... i think.

I know im overthinking it a lot and its stupid. Its nice to know that im not the only one who tends to do this. :smile:

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Cannabis can potentially throw off the trip big time.  I’ve seen to many trips go awry bc of cannabis to advocate for its use during trips. I much prefer the psychedelic experience on its own without any other drug in the mix.  Admittedly, I may be a bit of a purist :tongue:



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Weed ruins my psychedelic experiences too...

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For me tripping days are zero weed days.  Absolutely. 

But I did have to try the combo once to discover that it sucked - when neither alone did. :shrug:




Well fuck, it never even crossed my mind that that combining the two may not be a wise idea. Or it did, and i wanted to smoke weed anyway because i used to smoke it all the time.

I once dropped acid with my friend. When it started coming on, we decided to go into the forest. We found the right stump and rolled a joint on it. I remember that after we smoked it, everything became more intense, so we decided to head back into his home. We walked a forest path, when we saw two people in the distance. We stood there, trying to figure out if they are walking towards us or not, while laughing about it. Then we realized that we are fucking idiots for laughing and pointing at them, so we panicked and ran into the forest. At this point we were laughing about running into the forest  to hide. But as we were "hiding" there it suddenly stopped being fun and started being kind of terrifying. We were forgetting why we were actually hiding. Eventually we managed to "sneak" back into my friends home without being seen by anyone. We were really scared out of our minds, as if there was a real danger.

I wonder how much is weed to blame for this, along with the stupid decision of going out while still coming up...

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i dont know man. just good luck♡ whatever you do. maybe dont have shrooms, just brew some B Caapi (ayahuasca tea) and drink a ton of that and you'll be relaxed and sort of in a psychedelic state, without any anxiety of any sorts.




Thank you, thats really sweet :smile:

I never heard about brewing just B Caapi, i thought its only a maoi inhibitor? Does it have some effect on its own? I have some peganum harmala, which i never actually used, would it perhaps have similar effect?


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psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time - so if you lie down in bed while coming up, you will seem to be lying on top of your bed on top of your bed and on top of your bed, and so on.

an idea or sound or sight will continue and recycle seemingly indefinitely - sometimes to your delight, sometimes to your detriment, and often to the point of deep understanding which may seem deeper than ever as it continues to resonate meaningfully.

expect this and you wont be disappointed




Interesting, i have never heard "the loops" explained like this. You say that you can sometimes enjoy them? I remember that everytime i experienced this, it was rather unpleasant.

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Just take them and go lay in bed.




Haha, thats probably the only way forward.
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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: pineninja]
    #26874589 - 08/11/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
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redgreenvines said:
psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply perform the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience unfolds similarly to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.




Thank you for these words. Im really not sure why i dread it so much, its as if i can not think about it clearly. Maybe, probably, there is not any real reason at all, i just fear the anxiety and maybe the fear itself.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874594 - 08/11/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ombisha said:
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The Blind Ass said:
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redgreenvines said:
psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply perform the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience unfolds similarly to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.




Thank you for these words. Im really not sure why i dread it so much, its as if i can not think about it clearly. Maybe, probably, there is not any real reason at all, i just fear the anxiety and maybe the fear itself.




The funny thing is, most of us feel this to a degree that is relative to the amount of time we have been away from tripping.

The longer I haven't taken a dose, the more apprehensive and anxiety provoking it is. But if I take them regularly, say once a month, then the anxiety is easily overcome. So I think that is giving you the most trouble, the distance between the now and your last trip.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26874780 - 08/11/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think i will take some tonight. But im thinking about taking only about 2 grams or a little more... i really cant seem to get comfortable with taking bigger dose. Just to dip my toes a bit.

What do you all think about that?


Oh, and thank you all for being so helpful and willing to talk to me about this.  :heart:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874796 - 08/11/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ombisha said:
I think i will take some tonight. But im thinking about taking only about 2 grams or a little more... i really cant seem to get comfortable with taking bigger dose. Just to dip my toes a bit.

What do you all think about that?


Oh, and thank you all for being so helpful and willing to talk to me about this.  :heart:




Sounds great, I sometimes take doses between 1.5 and 2.5g when I'm returning after a longer break or don't want to be overwhelmed.

I always end up wishing I had taken more :hehehe: but I always have a good time nonetheless.

I'd say take it and enjoy it! If you can push yourself to 3-3.5g, it might be easier on your anxiety as it should take you away. With 2g you may be standing on the edge waiting anxiously for it to really hit you.

Or the opposite can be true. I've had some 1.5g experiences that moved me like no other.

Take whatever you feel comfortable with and go from there :cheers:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874847 - 08/11/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

proceed proceedingly with your 2


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26875057 - 08/11/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The funny thing is, most of us feel this to a degree that is relative to the amount of time we have been away from tripping.

The longer I haven't taken a dose, the more apprehensive and anxiety provoking it is. But if I take them regularly, say once a month, then the anxiety is easily overcome. So I think that is giving you the most trouble, the distance between the now and your last trip.




:werd:


Also, OP, it's not necessarily "healthy fear" you're looking for to have, nor is it necessary to psychoanalyze yourself to try to get past it.  The doing is the fixing - just person up and go there.  If you're really uncomfortable start small to get a taste back and then ramp it up the next time out.

I've had as much as a 10 year break without tripping at all but the reunion was like "What took you so long?" not my world falling apart. :snoopyes:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26875066 - 08/11/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've been ghosting on the shroomery for years now, but your post tipped me over the edge and I finally made an account!

I just wanted to put a couple of thoughts out there, hopefully this finds you before you take them.

I've had similar feelings as a lot of people in this thread, a lot of anxiety and fear before my trips. What has always surprised and reassured me is this feeling I get on the comedown that everything I was worrying about is so far behind me now. That everything is okay and that I'm really glad I took the shrooms and learned so much from them. It's a really amazing feeling because after all they are teachers and you want to trip for a reason - whether to improve yourself, to feel "cleansed" or just to see cool shit - and once the trip is on it's way out you can really see how loving and personal the experience was, without that come up anxiety which makes you forget that. So I think you'll be really glad to have taken them, I think it'll feel familiar, loving and fun to trip and I hope you can remember that going in.

I also somewhat agree that taking a larger amount (3.5g) is the way to go, because it sucks wishing that you took more and I find that I can usually handle more than I thought I could, once I'm in it. But obviously that's a hugely personal decision and ultimately every trip is exactly what it needs to be. I've definitely found reward from smaller doses as well!


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Takuan Soho]
    #26875123 - 08/11/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

After so long it must have been just like the first time again.  :awesome:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26875165 - 08/11/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Guys, thank you so much for all this. It really means a lot to me.

I decided to go for 2.5 grams of my favorite culture - it grows nicely. I blended the mushrooms and made a cup of tea with some lemon and ginger. Its sitting right here, staring into my soul. I covered the mirrors, put water bottle by my bedside, lined up some music and... in it went. Now i will quickly hop in the shower and then straight into the bed.

I thank each and every one of you for taking the time.

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Takuan Soho said:
I've been ghosting on the shroomery for years now, but your post tipped me over the edge and I finally made an account!

I just wanted to put a couple of thoughts out there, hopefully this finds you before you take them.

I've had similar feelings as a lot of people in this thread, a lot of anxiety and fear before my trips. What has always surprised and reassured me is this feeling I get on the comedown that everything I was worrying about is so far behind me now. That everything is okay and that I'm really glad I took the shrooms and learned so much from them. It's a really amazing feeling because after all they are teachers and you want to trip for a reason - whether to improve yourself, to feel "cleansed" or just to see cool shit - and once the trip is on it's way out you can really see how loving and personal the experience was, without that come up anxiety which makes you forget that. So I think you'll be really glad to have taken them, I think it'll feel familiar, loving and fun to trip and I hope you can remember that going in.

I also somewhat agree that taking a larger amount (3.5g) is the way to go, because it sucks wishing that you took more and I find that I can usually handle more than I thought I could, once I'm in it. But obviously that's a hugely personal decision and ultimately every trip is exactly what it needs to be. I've definitely found reward from smaller doses as well!




It found just before i take them, thank you. Welcome on shroomery :smile:

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The funny thing is, most of us feel this to a degree that is relative to the amount of time we have been away from tripping.

The longer I haven't taken a dose, the more apprehensive and anxiety provoking it is. But if I take them regularly, say once a month, then the anxiety is easily overcome. So I think that is giving you the most trouble, the distance between the now and your last trip.




:werd:


Also, OP, it's not necessarily "healthy fear" you're looking for to have, nor is it necessary to psychoanalyze yourself to try to get past it.  The doing is the fixing - just person up and go there.  If you're really uncomfortable start small to get a taste back and then ramp it up the next time out.

I've had as much as a 10 year break without tripping at all but the reunion was like "What took you so long?" not my world falling apart. :snoopyes:




I hope i will experience the same, thank you :smile:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26875175 - 08/11/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Have a nice trip ~


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: MindMeower]
    #26875190 - 08/11/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hope your having a good experience there.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26875202 - 08/11/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Guys, thank you so much for all this. It really means a lot to me.

I decided to go for 2.5 grams of my favorite culture - it grows nicely. I blended the mushrooms and made a cup of tea with some lemon and ginger. Its sitting right here, staring into my soul. I covered the mirrors, put water bottle by my bedside, lined up some music and... in it went. Now i will quickly hop in the shower and then straight into the bed.





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