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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Shroomboofer]
    #26871838 - 08/09/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but lye is a stronger base that results in more dissolved fats in the aqueous solution, making it more available to be picked up by the naphtha.  Also, the other part of the equation to base strength is the pKb.  The lower the value, the more easily the base dissociates and becomes active.  Calcium hydroxide has 2.43 and 1.4 (value for each hydroxide) and lye is 0.2.  Since pKb is a function of negative log, every decrease by 1 is an increase in ten fold dissociation.  https://www.chembuddy.com/?left=BATE&right=dissociation_constants



Sounds like you know more about it than me. I don't fully understand the relationship between pka and pkb and how best to compare bases. I just saw those equations somewhere and all the lime teks call for way less lime. I've never actually tested side by side how much you need of one or the other to hit 10.68 ph. I think exceeding 10.68 isn't necessarily a good thing, though. Does it "break up" the fats like Northerner says, or allow more fats to be pulled out in the naphtha?


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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Icon]
    #26871850 - 08/09/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm in Australia, don't see cheap food grade lime here. Not enough pickling or aquarium enthusiasts unfortunately.

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Sodium carbonate is over 11, it's no good for DMT extractions. >13 is the usual desired pH.




Sodium carbonate? You have me confused, I'm talking about hydroxides specifically. But anything over 11 will work equally well for basing DMT.



Hydroxide or not I think you are mistaken. Look closer.


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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Icon]
    #26871888 - 08/09/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Does it "break up" the fats like Northerner says, or allow more fats to be pulled out in the naphtha?



I didn't say that. I said lye is better to "break down plant matter" and that calcium hydroxide "doesn't release anywhere near as many fats".


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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #26872286 - 08/09/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm in Australia, don't see cheap food grade lime here. Not enough pickling or aquarium enthusiasts unfortunately.



Not sure if you're interested in a project, but you can actually make your own lime using calcium carbonate and heat, just have to account for the difference in mass in mass and missing water. 


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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Shroomboofer]
    #26872449 - 08/09/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's really cool hey. Don't reckon I'd do it but the reaction process is awesome.


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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Northerner]
    #26873819 - 08/10/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm in Australia, don't see cheap food grade lime here. Not enough pickling or aquarium enthusiasts unfortunately.

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Sodium carbonate is over 11, it's no good for DMT extractions. >13 is the usual desired pH.




Sodium carbonate? You have me confused, I'm talking about hydroxides specifically. But anything over 11 will work equally well for basing DMT.



Hydroxide or not I think you are mistaken. Look closer.




You think I'm mistaken, but you're not sure and can't explain yourself? That post you made doesn't even make sense. Look closer at what? The two broken sentences you made?
"Sodium carbonate is over 11, it's no good for DMT extractions." Who was talking about carbonate, and why are you saying it is no good for DMT extractions?  99% of DMT will be freebase over 11 pH, so sodium carbonate is also fine for dmt extractions. What are you talking about? Where are you getting 13 as the desired pH? Based on what? You're wasting my time, dude. Look closer at this :flipthebird:


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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Icon]
    #26873859 - 08/10/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Come back and show us your fantastic yield from your sodium carbonate extraction. I'm glad we've got you to show us all that everyone has been using unnecessarily harsh chemicals to extract DMT for the last 20 years.

Sodium carbonate although over 11 is a weak base and will not lyse the plant cells sufficiently to free all the DMT to be based. Not only that the acids in the cells are likely to buffer the alkaloids from the reaction. It's been tried, lots of times. People get brown goo. Anyhow, I gave you the opportunity to research and learn this yourself and get more information to further pad your knowledge. Instead you want to be spoonfed like a baby and lump insults.

It's not the first time you've consistently attacked me rather than speaking like a grown adult on topics. Get a grip man.


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    #26874199 - 08/10/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Dmt extraction [Re: Icon]
    #26874336 - 08/11/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Another rant misquoting and attacking me. You're a gem buddy.

I don't know of another pressure cooking teks besides the one that I started with "there is no new science here". There's no reputation of any tek there, there's no claim to fame and there's fuck all likes or comments on it. It's for Aussies with Acuminata and pretty much everyone here is using MHRB.

You have no idea about the trees and plant sources I grow, the botanical exploratory experiments I have done nor anything about me in general. I don't go posting my stuff here. In fact we haven't spoke in a long time, not since the last time I blocked you for being overemotional and hyper-aggressive.

Calcium hydroxide teks have been around for a very long time, as I said I've found uses for them that are great and there are pros. They do not work as effectively on most species. Breaking down the bark to get the prize out of Acacia is much more intensive. Systematically freezing and boiling is a hell of a long journey, nuking the fuck out of it with lye and just letting it sit there is much easier. I let this slide over to all bark teks because I don't like labour intensive extractions and it straight up works. Though if I look at confusa again it would be interesting to try lime. Not because it's going to make purer DMT though, if I suck up the basic slurry the DMT will still be tainted.

You said any base stronger than 10.68 is negligible for DMT extractions. I presented sodium carbonate at 11.6, you say I'm making no sense because it's not a hydroxide. I was trying not to be confrontational and come straight out and tell you that you are wrong because you go fucking bananas if threatened. Typing "DMT sodium carbonate extraction" into Google and reading the first page is not a weeks research either.

I grew up with emotionally abusive people, I know all the games man. Personal attacks, misquoting, antagonism, playing stupid, gaslighting, false morality, yelling, repeating oneself... I don't know why I even bother to defend myself against such psychotic behavior anymore.

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