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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: MycRoom]
    #26852122 - 07/29/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I grow in my basement.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: seagu]
    #26853122 - 07/30/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yea and If you are not venting the back of your window AC outside you will be heating up the garage which will make the job of cooling your FC down even harder since that would heat up the FC walls. And if you try and use cool air from inside the garage on the intake part of the back part of the AC and just vent the backside you will pull all the cooler air from the garage outside sucking in hot air from outside ... DOH




I just returned that 10000btu unit, but when it was set up it was venting into the main garage...so yeah doing exactly what you described. I was hoping my attic vent fan would vent all that extra heat. But I now see how optimistic that was.  :facepalm:

I do have the option of venting it out a window, but that will take some fairly major surgery. I'm down to do it, but want to do it right the first time so I'm not having to remove walls from my FC multiple times.

I think what I want to do first is deal with my humidity drop then address the heat. With the attic vent fan alone I'm seeing some pretty impressive temperature drops. It's not quite to where I want it, but starting to get a lot closer. If I'm able to run my FC vent fan all the time without the humidity dropping I expect I'll be able to get it even lower. Possibly to where I don't need much AC at all! But again that may be too optimistic.

Unfortunately I cannot grow in a basement. I now see how that would be the best way to go because of the passive cooling. Perhaps in my next place!


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26853173 - 07/30/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yea ask me how I know all this.... I've tried it all trying to figure out how to get my shed to work without having to cut a hole in the side. And being broke as something or other with 2 smaller window ACs lying around. I've also watched a few videos on people trying basically what you did but they tried venting it out the window with the AC blowing inside inner room but the back portion sitting in its own room and pipe vented out the window right near it ... heat city even that way. What I haven't seen tried though is insulated duct used. Would it be enough to prevent the heat from rising in the room it is used? they have r8 at lowes for 25' for $60 or $70 or something like that.

So how exactly is your humidity dropping? You are using a 12 disc right?  is your FC air tight? Is it pulling the mist from a humidi bucket outside the FC so that ALL new air to the FC has to run over the water and mist when it is misting? Is the humidi chamber air tight? I know when I don't do it this way I have humidity problems and my disc fogger can't keep up. But when I changed it to being able to answer yes on those questions, besides the 12 disc, my humidity problem of it not keeping up went away. That and the inkbird controller most seem to use. And based upon the size of my current FC I should need a bigger amount of discs to keep RH than what I am using according to conventional mushroom growing wisdom. But I had looked at the math before I bought thew smaller disc fogger. When I first tried it. It wasn't all air tight and I had a fan on the humidibucket...  that failed horribly. But change it around to air tight and only using the exhaust fan on the FC to pull the mist and air through and it works like a champ.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: seagu]
    #26853449 - 07/30/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For the most part the FC is air tight. There is a gap under the plastic sheeting door that pulls in when the FC vent fan kicks on. I currently have the fan on a timer so it pulls in air and that's when the humidity drops. The longer the fan is on the lower it drops but typically not doesn't go below 79%. If I were to run the fan all the time the humidibucket wouldn't be able to keep up at all.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26853474 - 07/30/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How tall is the ceiling in the FC?


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26853588 - 07/30/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I would fix it so it is air tight. Other wise it causes not humid air to get pulled in. Then your humidibucket has to work even harder. :thumbdown: I had done that originally like you are and had HUGE humidity problems..

Can you slow the fan down any? I do that. My circulation fan inside is on low and I try and get my exhaust fan as low as possible so it doesn't suck out my humidity too quickly. I also have the humidibucket output right next to the circulation fan so it spreads the humidity to the shrooms, where I want it. I do not need thick fog to achieve max humidity very shortly. I just had to dial everything in and make it air tight so that only humidified air is getting in. Also my door is just cheapo plastic drop cloth for painting. The exhaust pulls the plastic air tight. So, you could easily just take some pieces of plastic and fill in your cracks 'n crevices and let the exhaust pull it tight.

My humidity only drops when the humidibucket isn't fogging and it doesn't drop quickly. I get big shrooms and the only problems I am having is they are getting so big 1 fell off the bag or pulling the bag from the shelf since I am side fruiting.. hehe

Right now my humidity range is 82.5 - 92.5 %. I only turned it up above 90 because its been humid around here lately and the fogger wasn't kicking on enough so the shrooms dried out one week too much on the edges cracking. 85-95% everything got too soaked.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: seagu]
    #26873427 - 08/10/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Seagu, doesn’t the air have to come from somewhere? I don’t fully understand how it would work to have a fully sealed room.

Since putting in the 6” “attic fan” at the top of the garage my FC temps have been pretty stable in the low 70s, waaaay better than the high 80s where they were. Now I’m more seriously looking into if I need another humidification system if I am going to keep my FC vent fan on more to provide more FAE.

SHROOMSISAY, with the high pressure system you have do ever have issues with sediment buildup? I was talking to a buddy of mine and he was saying unless you have it hooked up to a reverse osmosis system or something that that type of system clogs up super fast. What has your experience been with this?


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26873568 - 08/10/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The air comes from outside the FC. AC that space. But the AC'd air only gets into the fruiting chamber by traveling through the humidifier and thus also you are always getting humidified air, to some level or another. If you make the intake on your humidifier smaller than your exhaust on your FC then it will have a nice sucking on the walls and such to help be able to seal the cracks with plastic drop sheeting or whatever else you want to use. If your door and walls are not air tight. But that makes it easier to seal up the cracks for me. I don't even need a door. How big this scales.. I haven't gotten there yet.. but working on it. For example. My exhaust is 4". I just took some piping and stuck it inside to see how many would fit. They would be smaller of course.

You can kinda get an idea for some of the science if you look up about ducts and such and changing size of piping and air flow speed and cfm, air pressure.. or some such terminology. It has been little bit since I looked it up.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26873694 - 08/10/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Seagu, doesn’t the air have to come from somewhere? I don’t fully understand how it would work to have a fully sealed room.

Since putting in the 6” “attic fan” at the top of the garage my FC temps have been pretty stable in the low 70s, waaaay better than the high 80s where they were. Now I’m more seriously looking into if I need another humidification system if I am going to keep my FC vent fan on more to provide more FAE.

SHROOMSISAY, with the high pressure system you have do ever have issues with sediment buildup? I was talking to a buddy of mine and he was saying unless you have it hooked up to a reverse osmosis system or something that that type of system clogs up super fast. What has your experience been with this?




I use a filter and do not have to do anything like cleaning as you do with a pond fogger. I have been running my system for 3 years now and I have not even had to change the filters. This will be different for everyone depending on the original quality of your water. Here is the filter I use...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079NX153V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I will give you a good deal on a system if you are interested. You will just have to buy a filter and a pressure washer.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room temperatures [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26874473 - 08/11/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For example.. my small setup that I get a nice amount each week:  Before I put the plastic on and hooked up the exhaust pipe to the inline fan you can see at the window.

And after plastic : Notice how the exhaust pulls all the plastic tight. So the only air allowed to get into the FC must go through my humidifier. Which, quite conveniently the 3 intake pipes are right above the HVAC register.

Everyone said I would need at a minimum for that size 6 discs.. I do not need 6 discs. I only need 3 discs and they will soak everything. Works awesome. :thumbup: :thumbup:

I plan on doing the same or similar to my shed when my weekly sales stay steady and or maybe just slightly increase. Which by the way tons of repeat customers last week coming up raving about the mushrooms in front of others, who then eagerly bought from me. :dancer:


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26879175 - 08/13/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

PitcherCrab said:
Seagu, doesn’t the air have to come from somewhere? I don’t fully understand how it would work to have a fully sealed room.

Since putting in the 6” “attic fan” at the top of the garage my FC temps have been pretty stable in the low 70s, waaaay better than the high 80s where they were. Now I’m more seriously looking into if I need another humidification system if I am going to keep my FC vent fan on more to provide more FAE.

SHROOMSISAY, with the high pressure system you have do ever have issues with sediment buildup? I was talking to a buddy of mine and he was saying unless you have it hooked up to a reverse osmosis system or something that that type of system clogs up super fast. What has your experience been with this?




I use a filter and do not have to do anything like cleaning as you do with a pond fogger. I have been running my system for 3 years now and I have not even had to change the filters. This will be different for everyone depending on the original quality of your water. Here is the filter I use...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079NX153V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I will give you a good deal on a system if you are interested. You will just have to buy a filter and a pressure washer.




Ah, awesome that makes sense and I think it would be good for me to filter my water anyway. I’ve noticed quite a bit of rust in it when it comes straight out of the hose. As for the high pressure system, I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I’m ready to make the jump. I think I’d prefer to get one of those little pumps over the pressure washer however. I’m gonna shoot you a PM right now about the nozzles and how you have everything setup.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26879241 - 08/13/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Those little pumps will get everything wet they will not do what you want. To do it right and not have to do it over you need high pressure 1000 psi those pumps put out 105 psi if I am not mistaken.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26879556 - 08/14/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I am not an expert on the pressure system.... Someone on here though did tell me they have been using for years regular pressured misting systems with no problems.. the pressure that comes out of the faucet type..  :shrug:


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26879775 - 08/14/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Those little pumps will get everything wet they will not do what you want. To do it right and not have to do it over you need high pressure 1000 psi those pumps put out 105 psi if I am not mistaken.




Wait... I’m confused. Didn’t you link to a pump earlier in this thread saying that you would recommend using it? I am talking about using the little pump you linked to vs the pressure washer.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26880444 - 08/14/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It was not me that put that link out there. I tried everything before I built my kit. I did not try one of those pumps because it is so low of pressure it is just going to get everything wet. My water pressure is 65 psi and those pumps say 60-70 psi so there would be no difference for me. I can not find the site now but it said that you need 800 psi to have flash evaporation of the water droplets. If you don't have flash evaporation you are going to get things wet. But hey I say try it out and I will be here. After you get all the mold out of your room.


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26896759 - 08/24/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry, but I am still confused. You posted a link to a pump you were recommending in the first page of this thread. I don't know what pump you're talking about now that won't work but I am referring to the one you linked to.

Link to your post: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26849711#26849711

In any case, I do need to get something up and running that works. So what would you recommend?

According to my understanding I can use a pressure washer (like you do) or a CAT pump. I have the inline water running through a filter which then goes to the pump which presumably goes to hosing with sprayers attached. Is that about right?


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Re: Lowering fruiting room tempeartures [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26897681 - 08/24/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It really depends on your budget. The link above is for a real mist pump actually it is one of the best pumps you can buy. But once you put it all together it will cost between $700 and $800 the cat pump in the video I posted can be run for very long times. like days or weeks. I sell a kit for a fraction of the $600 that is high pressure also and works great. it uses a pressure washer and I have not had a problem in 3 years with it. It only has to run for 10 to 15 seconds every 10 minutes. to keep my humidity between 90 and 97%. I sent you a PM about it and what you need so check your messages. The cat pump is a long term humidification system but it will get expensive. Especially when the pump will only run for very short cycles. I was going to buy the cat pump and I built my system to just get me through. But the system I built is like the energizer bunny it keeps going and going and going. So I have not even thought about buying the cat pump again.


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