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Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread
    #26873281 - 08/10/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I dont know what im expecting to get out of posting this, but i feel its the right move. I haven't tripped for almost three years now. Since i stopped smoking weed (three years ago) i haven't touched anything other than kratom, alcohol and mdma (one time). In have only tripped a handful of times before, less than 10 times.

For about a year now, i have been wanting to take some shrooms. I guess you would say i "hear the call". But every time i think about actually doing them, i feel dread. Like, my stomach tenses up with mild anxiety. I have been waiting for this to change for about a year now... but i think that it never will. I just have some strange anxiety about it.

The way i want to trip is as i almost always did - alone in my bed. I expect some introspective and probably unpleasant thoughts to come, but thats probably a good thing. I dont know if the anxiety comes from knowing this. For the rest of this week, i have my home to myself, so its a perfect opportunity... But i just cant seem to find the courage.

What would you do in such situation? Do you ever feel anxious/worried before a trip? I would just like to hear some thoughts about this, since i have basically no one to talk to about such things in real life.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873300 - 08/10/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I often feel anxious about tripping before I do, but as soon as the waves hit me that anxiety just disappears. Don't worry about worrying, just roll with it.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner]
    #26873321 - 08/10/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I often feel anxious about tripping before I do, but as soon as the waves hit me that anxiety just disappears. Don't worry about worrying, just roll with it.




Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26873326 - 08/10/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I often feel anxious about tripping before I do, but as soon as the waves hit me that anxiety just disappears. Don't worry about worrying, just roll with it.




:whathesaid:

Exactly this.

The anxiety is a part of life.

Approaching/meeting someone you are very interested in? You might have anxiety.

New job interview that you really want? You might have anxiety.

Finals at University? Anxiety.

Those are just three of a million situations where you may feel anxiety. It's perfectly normal. In those situations you power through.

And then, you start chatting with that person you have interest in and the anxiety disappears. You're in the middle of the interview and the anxiety couldn't be further from the truth. You're blazing through the test and you forgot how anxious you are.

It dissolves when you focus on doing in the present moment rather than awaiting the future. Once the dose takes a hold of you, that "come-up" or "pre-trip" anxiety melts away.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873331 - 08/10/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873339 - 08/10/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.




Interesting, where would you put the line between low and psychedelic dose? At what dose, in your opinion, begins the "obliteration of anxiety"?


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873342 - 08/10/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I mean wave as in as the dose comes on. It creeps then comes on quickly as a wave, and again and again until the sustained peak. That's how I find psychedelics. I also like them intensely so the feeling is quite euphoric for me.

By worrying about worrying you are setting negative expectations, doesn't seem like a very good plan. So you feel some anxiety, that's okay. Normal even. But don't dwell on it. Roll with the experience, let it wash over you. Experience it as the amazing thing it is rather than dwelling on your feelings.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873358 - 08/10/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ombisha said:
Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.




Interesting, where would you put the line between low and psychedelic dose? At what dose, in your opinion, begins the "obliteration of anxiety"?




For me, 3g+ of regular cubes (assuming potency is average)
1g+ of PE variety cubes

These numbers assume average potency. I've had weak cubes which 3g did not induce a psychedelic experience, although it still seemed to remove my anxiety.

Lower doses can still work, but the more my EGO is present, and the more vigilance remains in my cognition, the bigger the chance of not removing my anxiety. So I need a dose that will get me in my bed, body load gluing me down, and my ego suppressed.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873379 - 08/10/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If you're going to eat mushrooms may as well eat enough to do the job properly I reckon.

It's never been an issue for me (because I'm a pig :lol:) but I've heard of people not quite getting over the line and being stuck in anxious limbo. One can always eat more if they find themselves there though.

A few weekends ago a friend called me and asked me for some shrooms. He didn't want too many, I tried to give him more but no. An hour later he called me again because it didn't really work properly and he was out of sorts. So I gave him twice again what I had originally given him. As he drank it the first lot came on. Wooo! He had a great time.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner]
    #26873386 - 08/10/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Northerner said:. So you feel some anxiety, that's okay. Normal even. But don't dwell on it. Roll with the experience, let it wash over you. Experience it as the amazing thing it is rather than dwelling on your feelings.




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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873425 - 08/10/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Roll with the experience, let it wash over you. Experience it as the amazing thing it is rather than dwelling on your feelings.




I understand this on some level, experiencing vs. analyzing/dwelling on feelings. But this is, at least for me, easier said than done. I always have trouble "letting go" anything, dosent even have to be tripping related.


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If you're going to eat mushrooms may as well eat enough to do the job properly I reckon.

It's never been an issue for me (because I'm a pig :lol:) but I've heard of people not quite getting over the line and being stuck in anxious limbo. One can always eat more if they find themselves there though.

A few weekends ago a friend called me and asked me for some shrooms. He didn't want too many, I tried to give him more but no. An hour later he called me again because it didn't really work properly and he was out of sorts. So I gave him twice again what I had originally given him. As he drank it the first lot came on. Wooo! He had a great time.




What would you say is the propper dose? I would not want to take too much, since i would be alone.


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Ombisha said:
Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.




Interesting, where would you put the line between low and psychedelic dose? At what dose, in your opinion, begins the "obliteration of anxiety"?




For me, 3g+ of regular cubes (assuming potency is average)
1g+ of PE variety cubes

These numbers assume average potency. I've had weak cubes which 3g did not induce a psychedelic experience, although it still seemed to remove my anxiety.

Lower doses can still work, but the more my EGO is present, and the more vigilance remains in my cognition, the bigger the chance of not removing my anxiety. So I need a dose that will get me in my bed, body load gluing me down, and my ego suppressed.




Alright, thank you for the advice :smile:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873440 - 08/10/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I always have trouble "letting go" anything, dosent even have to be tripping related.





I'm exactly like this. Partially why I started taking mushrooms, because my ego was so bound to this material reality that I was just a ball of fear. Letting go wasn't an option for my ego. Change wasn't an option.

So I figured mushrooms would be a solid way to face this issue because, all I have to do is let go long enough to consume a dose. Then I can't undo it and so I need to learn how to handle life and let go when necessary.

And I learned there is no other way. In all of life. You have to leap, because twiddling your thumbs on the threshold of experience will always lead to suffering in the long term. But the short term suffering of letting go and diving in has proven to be rewarding in the long term.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873441 - 08/10/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Its alot easier to handle without weed during the trip.

So idk if you used to smoke when you tripped, but that makes it considerably stronger.

But they will always be there, no need to rush, wait until you feel good about it.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26873452 - 08/10/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If you're going to eat mushrooms may as well eat enough to do the job properly I reckon.

It's never been an issue for me (because I'm a pig :lol:) but I've heard of people not quite getting over the line and being stuck in anxious limbo. One can always eat more if they find themselves there though.

A few weekends ago a friend called me and asked me for some shrooms. He didn't want too many, I tried to give him more but no. An hour later he called me again because it didn't really work properly and he was out of sorts. So I gave him twice again what I had originally given him. As he drank it the first lot came on. Wooo! He had a great time.




What would you say is the propper dose? I would not want to take too much, since i would be alone.




I'd take no less than 3.5 grams of cubes. Get right in the zone.

You're better off taking a little too much alone than with other people around. People are more of a problem when you are tripping and can create confusion and tension. Flying solo is much easier.

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Its alot easier to handle without weed during the trip.

So idk if you used to smoke when you tripped, but that makes it considerably stronger.

But they will always be there, no need to rush, wait until you feel good about it.



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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26873566 - 08/10/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I always have trouble "letting go" anything, dosent even have to be tripping related.





I'm exactly like this. Partially why I started taking mushrooms, because my ego was so bound to this material reality that I was just a ball of fear. Letting go wasn't an option for my ego. Change wasn't an option.

So I figured mushrooms would be a solid way to face this issue because, all I have to do is let go long enough to consume a dose. Then I can't undo it and so I need to learn how to handle life and let go when necessary.

And I learned there is no other way. In all of life. You have to leap, because twiddling your thumbs on the threshold of experience will always lead to suffering in the long term. But the short term suffering of letting go and diving in has proven to be rewarding in the long term.




Hmm, short term sufffering proves to be rewarding in the long term. I like that. It would suck if i decided to trip based on this, just to spend the rest of my life thinking im an orange or something :grin:

Thank you for taking the time to type this. :smile:


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I'd take no less than 3.5 grams of cubes. Get right in the zone.

You're better off taking a little too much alone than with other people around. People are more of a problem when you are tripping and can create confusion and tension. Flying solo is much easier.





Alright, thanks. If i decide to trip i will dose based on your advice :smile:


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Its alot easier to handle without weed during the trip.

So idk if you used to smoke when you tripped, but that makes it considerably stronger.

But they will always be there, no need to rush, wait until you feel good about it.




Now that you mention it... i think that i actually did smoke weed every time i tripped in the past. Good to know that now it may be easier to handle.

I know that they will always be there, and that i should not pointlessly push myself into tripping. I have had this mentality for 3 years, the last of which i actively tried to start feeling comfortable with the thought of tripping. Im thinking that maybe, i just need to take that "leap", but i really dont know, maybe it would be a mistake.
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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873587 - 08/10/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I have had this mentality for 3 years, the last of which i actively tried to start feeling comfortable with the thought of tripping. Im thinking that maybe, i just need to take that "leap", but i really dont know, maybe it would be a mistake.




Disclaimer: Don't take the following as a proclamation that you SHOULD trip. It isn't for everyone and not everyone needs to have a mushroom induced psychedelic experience to get the fullness out of life.

BUT, I think you're overthinking it (I do that A LOT as well so I can relate). My ego makes a list, about a billion reasons long, about why I should not trip on the day of my trip. It's all nonsense. Not because those reasons are nonsense, but because my ego will say anything to avoid taking the hard road.

Everything in life requires risk. The lack of doing something does not absolve you of risk. Do or do not, but risk will remain.

There are "risks" to tripping, such as facing psychological traumas that you aren't ready for. There are risks to not tripping (if you genuinely want to), such as perpetuating a mentality of fear.

I can't say which choice is right or wrong, that decision is yours alone.

What I can say is that the ego will readily give you 100 reasons why you shouldn't do anything challenging. So take its chatter with a grain of salt.

If you WANT to trip, then trip. Don't let the excuses and postulations of the ego get in the way.

If you DON'T want to trip, then don't. But find some outlet to help you heal where you may be suffering. And you will find that anything that brings healing will first come with challenge.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873710 - 08/10/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Weed ruins my psychedelic experiences too...

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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner]
    #26873717 - 08/10/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Cannabis can potentially throw off the trip big time.  I’ve seen to many trips go awry bc of cannabis to advocate for its use during trips. I much prefer the psychedelic experience on its own without any other drug in the mix.  Admittedly, I may be a bit of a purist :tongue:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26873801 - 08/10/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Cannabis can potentially throw off the trip big time.  I’ve seen to many trips go awry bc of cannabis to advocate for its use during trips. I much prefer the psychedelic experience on its own without any other drug in the mix.  Admittedly, I may be a bit of a purist :tongue:




Out of curiosity (and not to derail the thread) but does that apply to the comedown as well? I'll be in a situation where I'll have some edibles and am thinking of eating some during the comedown.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26874279 - 08/10/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For me tripping days are zero weed days.  Absolutely. 

But I did have to try the combo once to discover that it sucked - when neither alone did. :shrug:


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