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Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread
    #26873281 - 08/10/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I dont know what im expecting to get out of posting this, but i feel its the right move. I haven't tripped for almost three years now. Since i stopped smoking weed (three years ago) i haven't touched anything other than kratom, alcohol and mdma (one time). In have only tripped a handful of times before, less than 10 times.

For about a year now, i have been wanting to take some shrooms. I guess you would say i "hear the call". But every time i think about actually doing them, i feel dread. Like, my stomach tenses up with mild anxiety. I have been waiting for this to change for about a year now... but i think that it never will. I just have some strange anxiety about it.

The way i want to trip is as i almost always did - alone in my bed. I expect some introspective and probably unpleasant thoughts to come, but thats probably a good thing. I dont know if the anxiety comes from knowing this. For the rest of this week, i have my home to myself, so its a perfect opportunity... But i just cant seem to find the courage.

What would you do in such situation? Do you ever feel anxious/worried before a trip? I would just like to hear some thoughts about this, since i have basically no one to talk to about such things in real life.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873300 - 08/10/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I often feel anxious about tripping before I do, but as soon as the waves hit me that anxiety just disappears. Don't worry about worrying, just roll with it.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner]
    #26873321 - 08/10/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I often feel anxious about tripping before I do, but as soon as the waves hit me that anxiety just disappears. Don't worry about worrying, just roll with it.




Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26873326 - 08/10/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I often feel anxious about tripping before I do, but as soon as the waves hit me that anxiety just disappears. Don't worry about worrying, just roll with it.




:whathesaid:

Exactly this.

The anxiety is a part of life.

Approaching/meeting someone you are very interested in? You might have anxiety.

New job interview that you really want? You might have anxiety.

Finals at University? Anxiety.

Those are just three of a million situations where you may feel anxiety. It's perfectly normal. In those situations you power through.

And then, you start chatting with that person you have interest in and the anxiety disappears. You're in the middle of the interview and the anxiety couldn't be further from the truth. You're blazing through the test and you forgot how anxious you are.

It dissolves when you focus on doing in the present moment rather than awaiting the future. Once the dose takes a hold of you, that "come-up" or "pre-trip" anxiety melts away.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873331 - 08/10/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873339 - 08/10/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Ombisha said:
Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.




Interesting, where would you put the line between low and psychedelic dose? At what dose, in your opinion, begins the "obliteration of anxiety"?


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873342 - 08/10/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I mean wave as in as the dose comes on. It creeps then comes on quickly as a wave, and again and again until the sustained peak. That's how I find psychedelics. I also like them intensely so the feeling is quite euphoric for me.

By worrying about worrying you are setting negative expectations, doesn't seem like a very good plan. So you feel some anxiety, that's okay. Normal even. But don't dwell on it. Roll with the experience, let it wash over you. Experience it as the amazing thing it is rather than dwelling on your feelings.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873358 - 08/10/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Ombisha said:
Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.




Interesting, where would you put the line between low and psychedelic dose? At what dose, in your opinion, begins the "obliteration of anxiety"?




For me, 3g+ of regular cubes (assuming potency is average)
1g+ of PE variety cubes

These numbers assume average potency. I've had weak cubes which 3g did not induce a psychedelic experience, although it still seemed to remove my anxiety.

Lower doses can still work, but the more my EGO is present, and the more vigilance remains in my cognition, the bigger the chance of not removing my anxiety. So I need a dose that will get me in my bed, body load gluing me down, and my ego suppressed.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873379 - 08/10/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you're going to eat mushrooms may as well eat enough to do the job properly I reckon.

It's never been an issue for me (because I'm a pig :lol:) but I've heard of people not quite getting over the line and being stuck in anxious limbo. One can always eat more if they find themselves there though.

A few weekends ago a friend called me and asked me for some shrooms. He didn't want too many, I tried to give him more but no. An hour later he called me again because it didn't really work properly and he was out of sorts. So I gave him twice again what I had originally given him. As he drank it the first lot came on. Wooo! He had a great time.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner]
    #26873386 - 08/10/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Northerner said:. So you feel some anxiety, that's okay. Normal even. But don't dwell on it. Roll with the experience, let it wash over you. Experience it as the amazing thing it is rather than dwelling on your feelings.




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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873425 - 08/10/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Roll with the experience, let it wash over you. Experience it as the amazing thing it is rather than dwelling on your feelings.




I understand this on some level, experiencing vs. analyzing/dwelling on feelings. But this is, at least for me, easier said than done. I always have trouble "letting go" anything, dosent even have to be tripping related.


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If you're going to eat mushrooms may as well eat enough to do the job properly I reckon.

It's never been an issue for me (because I'm a pig :lol:) but I've heard of people not quite getting over the line and being stuck in anxious limbo. One can always eat more if they find themselves there though.

A few weekends ago a friend called me and asked me for some shrooms. He didn't want too many, I tried to give him more but no. An hour later he called me again because it didn't really work properly and he was out of sorts. So I gave him twice again what I had originally given him. As he drank it the first lot came on. Wooo! He had a great time.




What would you say is the propper dose? I would not want to take too much, since i would be alone.


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Ombisha said:
Im not sure what you mean by "wave". Are you talking about heavy doses? I would probably take about 2-3 grams of cubes, and at such dose, i feel like the anxiety could possibly consume me and spit me out. You never had that happen?




Waves, I assume, just meaning the felt effects of the actives in mushrooms as they wax and wane.

Sometimes I'm VERY anxious before the dose and right after I take it. But once it hits me, the anxiety just disappears and I wonder why I was so afraid.

I've had a few low doses give me worse anxiety once it hit me, because it felt like being "high" rather than "tripping". That extra push into psychedelic territory that a higher dose delivers seems to always obliterate my anxiety.




Interesting, where would you put the line between low and psychedelic dose? At what dose, in your opinion, begins the "obliteration of anxiety"?




For me, 3g+ of regular cubes (assuming potency is average)
1g+ of PE variety cubes

These numbers assume average potency. I've had weak cubes which 3g did not induce a psychedelic experience, although it still seemed to remove my anxiety.

Lower doses can still work, but the more my EGO is present, and the more vigilance remains in my cognition, the bigger the chance of not removing my anxiety. So I need a dose that will get me in my bed, body load gluing me down, and my ego suppressed.




Alright, thank you for the advice :smile:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873440 - 08/10/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I always have trouble "letting go" anything, dosent even have to be tripping related.





I'm exactly like this. Partially why I started taking mushrooms, because my ego was so bound to this material reality that I was just a ball of fear. Letting go wasn't an option for my ego. Change wasn't an option.

So I figured mushrooms would be a solid way to face this issue because, all I have to do is let go long enough to consume a dose. Then I can't undo it and so I need to learn how to handle life and let go when necessary.

And I learned there is no other way. In all of life. You have to leap, because twiddling your thumbs on the threshold of experience will always lead to suffering in the long term. But the short term suffering of letting go and diving in has proven to be rewarding in the long term.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873441 - 08/10/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Its alot easier to handle without weed during the trip.

So idk if you used to smoke when you tripped, but that makes it considerably stronger.

But they will always be there, no need to rush, wait until you feel good about it.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26873452 - 08/10/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If you're going to eat mushrooms may as well eat enough to do the job properly I reckon.

It's never been an issue for me (because I'm a pig :lol:) but I've heard of people not quite getting over the line and being stuck in anxious limbo. One can always eat more if they find themselves there though.

A few weekends ago a friend called me and asked me for some shrooms. He didn't want too many, I tried to give him more but no. An hour later he called me again because it didn't really work properly and he was out of sorts. So I gave him twice again what I had originally given him. As he drank it the first lot came on. Wooo! He had a great time.




What would you say is the propper dose? I would not want to take too much, since i would be alone.




I'd take no less than 3.5 grams of cubes. Get right in the zone.

You're better off taking a little too much alone than with other people around. People are more of a problem when you are tripping and can create confusion and tension. Flying solo is much easier.

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Its alot easier to handle without weed during the trip.

So idk if you used to smoke when you tripped, but that makes it considerably stronger.

But they will always be there, no need to rush, wait until you feel good about it.



Sound advice.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26873566 - 08/10/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Ombisha said:
I always have trouble "letting go" anything, dosent even have to be tripping related.





I'm exactly like this. Partially why I started taking mushrooms, because my ego was so bound to this material reality that I was just a ball of fear. Letting go wasn't an option for my ego. Change wasn't an option.

So I figured mushrooms would be a solid way to face this issue because, all I have to do is let go long enough to consume a dose. Then I can't undo it and so I need to learn how to handle life and let go when necessary.

And I learned there is no other way. In all of life. You have to leap, because twiddling your thumbs on the threshold of experience will always lead to suffering in the long term. But the short term suffering of letting go and diving in has proven to be rewarding in the long term.




Hmm, short term sufffering proves to be rewarding in the long term. I like that. It would suck if i decided to trip based on this, just to spend the rest of my life thinking im an orange or something :grin:

Thank you for taking the time to type this. :smile:


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I'd take no less than 3.5 grams of cubes. Get right in the zone.

You're better off taking a little too much alone than with other people around. People are more of a problem when you are tripping and can create confusion and tension. Flying solo is much easier.





Alright, thanks. If i decide to trip i will dose based on your advice :smile:


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Its alot easier to handle without weed during the trip.

So idk if you used to smoke when you tripped, but that makes it considerably stronger.

But they will always be there, no need to rush, wait until you feel good about it.




Now that you mention it... i think that i actually did smoke weed every time i tripped in the past. Good to know that now it may be easier to handle.

I know that they will always be there, and that i should not pointlessly push myself into tripping. I have had this mentality for 3 years, the last of which i actively tried to start feeling comfortable with the thought of tripping. Im thinking that maybe, i just need to take that "leap", but i really dont know, maybe it would be a mistake.
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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26873587 - 08/10/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I have had this mentality for 3 years, the last of which i actively tried to start feeling comfortable with the thought of tripping. Im thinking that maybe, i just need to take that "leap", but i really dont know, maybe it would be a mistake.




Disclaimer: Don't take the following as a proclamation that you SHOULD trip. It isn't for everyone and not everyone needs to have a mushroom induced psychedelic experience to get the fullness out of life.

BUT, I think you're overthinking it (I do that A LOT as well so I can relate). My ego makes a list, about a billion reasons long, about why I should not trip on the day of my trip. It's all nonsense. Not because those reasons are nonsense, but because my ego will say anything to avoid taking the hard road.

Everything in life requires risk. The lack of doing something does not absolve you of risk. Do or do not, but risk will remain.

There are "risks" to tripping, such as facing psychological traumas that you aren't ready for. There are risks to not tripping (if you genuinely want to), such as perpetuating a mentality of fear.

I can't say which choice is right or wrong, that decision is yours alone.

What I can say is that the ego will readily give you 100 reasons why you shouldn't do anything challenging. So take its chatter with a grain of salt.

If you WANT to trip, then trip. Don't let the excuses and postulations of the ego get in the way.

If you DON'T want to trip, then don't. But find some outlet to help you heal where you may be suffering. And you will find that anything that brings healing will first come with challenge.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26873710 - 08/10/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Weed ruins my psychedelic experiences too...

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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Northerner]
    #26873717 - 08/10/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Cannabis can potentially throw off the trip big time.  I’ve seen to many trips go awry bc of cannabis to advocate for its use during trips. I much prefer the psychedelic experience on its own without any other drug in the mix.  Admittedly, I may be a bit of a purist :tongue:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26873801 - 08/10/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Cannabis can potentially throw off the trip big time.  I’ve seen to many trips go awry bc of cannabis to advocate for its use during trips. I much prefer the psychedelic experience on its own without any other drug in the mix.  Admittedly, I may be a bit of a purist :tongue:




Out of curiosity (and not to derail the thread) but does that apply to the comedown as well? I'll be in a situation where I'll have some edibles and am thinking of eating some during the comedown.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26874279 - 08/10/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

For me tripping days are zero weed days.  Absolutely. 

But I did have to try the combo once to discover that it sucked - when neither alone did. :shrug:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26874349 - 08/11/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i dont know man. just good luck♡ whatever you do. maybe dont have shrooms, just brew some B Caapi (ayahuasca tea) and drink a ton of that and you'll be relaxed and sort of in a psychedelic state, without any anxiety of any sorts.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26874351 - 08/11/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I do a little bit of greens during the comeup as it completely cures any stomach discomfort that happens, and usually later at 3rd hour I'll do more to kickstart the effects as they are waning away at that point.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha] * 1
    #26874497 - 08/11/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time - so if you lie down in bed while coming up, you will seem to be lying on top of your bed on top of your bed and on top of your bed, and so on.

an idea or sound or sight will continue and recycle seemingly indefinitely - sometimes to your delight, sometimes to your detriment, and often to the point of deep understanding which may seem deeper than ever as it continues to resonate meaningfully.

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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874500 - 08/11/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just take them and go lay in bed.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26874528 - 08/11/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply perform the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience unfolds similarly to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874554 - 08/11/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The reasons that are making not want to do it  are the same reasons why you should.

Or perhaps you can face the issues that you know will surface whilst sober.
Maybe there's some lessons from the last trip you still need to address.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26874570 - 08/11/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time - so if you lie down in bed while coming up, you will seem to be lying on top of your bed on top of your bed and on top of your bed, and so on.

an idea or sound or sight will continue and recycle seemingly indefinitely - sometimes to your delight, sometimes to your detriment, and often to the point of deep understanding which may seem deeper than ever as it continues to resonate meaningfully.

expect this and you wont be disappointed




Very poetic and great conceptualization.

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Just take them and go lay in bed.




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psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply performing the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience then unfolds similarity to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.




More sage advice, OP. Listen well to these great people above.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26874575 - 08/11/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I have had this mentality for 3 years, the last of which i actively tried to start feeling comfortable with the thought of tripping. Im thinking that maybe, i just need to take that "leap", but i really dont know, maybe it would be a mistake.




Disclaimer: Don't take the following as a proclamation that you SHOULD trip. It isn't for everyone and not everyone needs to have a mushroom induced psychedelic experience to get the fullness out of life.

BUT, I think you're overthinking it (I do that A LOT as well so I can relate). My ego makes a list, about a billion reasons long, about why I should not trip on the day of my trip. It's all nonsense. Not because those reasons are nonsense, but because my ego will say anything to avoid taking the hard road.

Everything in life requires risk. The lack of doing something does not absolve you of risk. Do or do not, but risk will remain.

There are "risks" to tripping, such as facing psychological traumas that you aren't ready for. There are risks to not tripping (if you genuinely want to), such as perpetuating a mentality of fear.

I can't say which choice is right or wrong, that decision is yours alone.

What I can say is that the ego will readily give you 100 reasons why you shouldn't do anything challenging. So take its chatter with a grain of salt.

If you WANT to trip, then trip. Don't let the excuses and postulations of the ego get in the way.

If you DON'T want to trip, then don't. But find some outlet to help you heal where you may be suffering. And you will find that anything that brings healing will first come with challenge.




Thanks again for these well written thoughts. I on one hand get that ego trying to play me with reasons why not to trip, but on the other hand, there should probably be some healthy fear. Im having trouble with finding where is the line between rightfull and pitiful fear, and because of that im not even sure if i want to trip. I do and i dont... i think.

I know im overthinking it a lot and its stupid. Its nice to know that im not the only one who tends to do this. :smile:

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Cannabis can potentially throw off the trip big time.  I’ve seen to many trips go awry bc of cannabis to advocate for its use during trips. I much prefer the psychedelic experience on its own without any other drug in the mix.  Admittedly, I may be a bit of a purist :tongue:



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Weed ruins my psychedelic experiences too...

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For me tripping days are zero weed days.  Absolutely. 

But I did have to try the combo once to discover that it sucked - when neither alone did. :shrug:




Well fuck, it never even crossed my mind that that combining the two may not be a wise idea. Or it did, and i wanted to smoke weed anyway because i used to smoke it all the time.

I once dropped acid with my friend. When it started coming on, we decided to go into the forest. We found the right stump and rolled a joint on it. I remember that after we smoked it, everything became more intense, so we decided to head back into his home. We walked a forest path, when we saw two people in the distance. We stood there, trying to figure out if they are walking towards us or not, while laughing about it. Then we realized that we are fucking idiots for laughing and pointing at them, so we panicked and ran into the forest. At this point we were laughing about running into the forest  to hide. But as we were "hiding" there it suddenly stopped being fun and started being kind of terrifying. We were forgetting why we were actually hiding. Eventually we managed to "sneak" back into my friends home without being seen by anyone. We were really scared out of our minds, as if there was a real danger.

I wonder how much is weed to blame for this, along with the stupid decision of going out while still coming up...

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i dont know man. just good luck♡ whatever you do. maybe dont have shrooms, just brew some B Caapi (ayahuasca tea) and drink a ton of that and you'll be relaxed and sort of in a psychedelic state, without any anxiety of any sorts.




Thank you, thats really sweet :smile:

I never heard about brewing just B Caapi, i thought its only a maoi inhibitor? Does it have some effect on its own? I have some peganum harmala, which i never actually used, would it perhaps have similar effect?


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psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time - so if you lie down in bed while coming up, you will seem to be lying on top of your bed on top of your bed and on top of your bed, and so on.

an idea or sound or sight will continue and recycle seemingly indefinitely - sometimes to your delight, sometimes to your detriment, and often to the point of deep understanding which may seem deeper than ever as it continues to resonate meaningfully.

expect this and you wont be disappointed




Interesting, i have never heard "the loops" explained like this. You say that you can sometimes enjoy them? I remember that everytime i experienced this, it was rather unpleasant.

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Just take them and go lay in bed.




Haha, thats probably the only way forward.
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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: pineninja]
    #26874589 - 08/11/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply perform the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience unfolds similarly to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.




Thank you for these words. Im really not sure why i dread it so much, its as if i can not think about it clearly. Maybe, probably, there is not any real reason at all, i just fear the anxiety and maybe the fear itself.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874594 - 08/11/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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psychedelic drugs are not like pain relievers and sedatives.

they allow sensation and ideation to extend in time




This.  I would also take a moment to investigate what your apprehension is rooted in.  Once you know that, confidence becomes apparent, then it’s only a matter of mustering up the courage to - what is essentially simply perform the action of drinking or eating. Have faith in your true nature.

The experience unfolds similarly to a dream - but you, the host, grant its visitation by ingesting the substance.  You won’t have your neighbors experience or your brothers or friends - it will be bent to you.

I find if you greet and treat the experience like you would an important & revered guest of honor and play the good & noble host - the trip is ultimately good & invaluable.




Thank you for these words. Im really not sure why i dread it so much, its as if i can not think about it clearly. Maybe, probably, there is not any real reason at all, i just fear the anxiety and maybe the fear itself.




The funny thing is, most of us feel this to a degree that is relative to the amount of time we have been away from tripping.

The longer I haven't taken a dose, the more apprehensive and anxiety provoking it is. But if I take them regularly, say once a month, then the anxiety is easily overcome. So I think that is giving you the most trouble, the distance between the now and your last trip.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26874780 - 08/11/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think i will take some tonight. But im thinking about taking only about 2 grams or a little more... i really cant seem to get comfortable with taking bigger dose. Just to dip my toes a bit.

What do you all think about that?


Oh, and thank you all for being so helpful and willing to talk to me about this.  :heart:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874796 - 08/11/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I think i will take some tonight. But im thinking about taking only about 2 grams or a little more... i really cant seem to get comfortable with taking bigger dose. Just to dip my toes a bit.

What do you all think about that?


Oh, and thank you all for being so helpful and willing to talk to me about this.  :heart:




Sounds great, I sometimes take doses between 1.5 and 2.5g when I'm returning after a longer break or don't want to be overwhelmed.

I always end up wishing I had taken more :hehehe: but I always have a good time nonetheless.

I'd say take it and enjoy it! If you can push yourself to 3-3.5g, it might be easier on your anxiety as it should take you away. With 2g you may be standing on the edge waiting anxiously for it to really hit you.

Or the opposite can be true. I've had some 1.5g experiences that moved me like no other.

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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26874847 - 08/11/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

proceed proceedingly with your 2


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26875057 - 08/11/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The funny thing is, most of us feel this to a degree that is relative to the amount of time we have been away from tripping.

The longer I haven't taken a dose, the more apprehensive and anxiety provoking it is. But if I take them regularly, say once a month, then the anxiety is easily overcome. So I think that is giving you the most trouble, the distance between the now and your last trip.




:werd:


Also, OP, it's not necessarily "healthy fear" you're looking for to have, nor is it necessary to psychoanalyze yourself to try to get past it.  The doing is the fixing - just person up and go there.  If you're really uncomfortable start small to get a taste back and then ramp it up the next time out.

I've had as much as a 10 year break without tripping at all but the reunion was like "What took you so long?" not my world falling apart. :snoopyes:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26875066 - 08/11/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've been ghosting on the shroomery for years now, but your post tipped me over the edge and I finally made an account!

I just wanted to put a couple of thoughts out there, hopefully this finds you before you take them.

I've had similar feelings as a lot of people in this thread, a lot of anxiety and fear before my trips. What has always surprised and reassured me is this feeling I get on the comedown that everything I was worrying about is so far behind me now. That everything is okay and that I'm really glad I took the shrooms and learned so much from them. It's a really amazing feeling because after all they are teachers and you want to trip for a reason - whether to improve yourself, to feel "cleansed" or just to see cool shit - and once the trip is on it's way out you can really see how loving and personal the experience was, without that come up anxiety which makes you forget that. So I think you'll be really glad to have taken them, I think it'll feel familiar, loving and fun to trip and I hope you can remember that going in.

I also somewhat agree that taking a larger amount (3.5g) is the way to go, because it sucks wishing that you took more and I find that I can usually handle more than I thought I could, once I'm in it. But obviously that's a hugely personal decision and ultimately every trip is exactly what it needs to be. I've definitely found reward from smaller doses as well!


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Takuan Soho]
    #26875123 - 08/11/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

After so long it must have been just like the first time again.  :awesome:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26875165 - 08/11/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Guys, thank you so much for all this. It really means a lot to me.

I decided to go for 2.5 grams of my favorite culture - it grows nicely. I blended the mushrooms and made a cup of tea with some lemon and ginger. Its sitting right here, staring into my soul. I covered the mirrors, put water bottle by my bedside, lined up some music and... in it went. Now i will quickly hop in the shower and then straight into the bed.

I thank each and every one of you for taking the time.

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I've been ghosting on the shroomery for years now, but your post tipped me over the edge and I finally made an account!

I just wanted to put a couple of thoughts out there, hopefully this finds you before you take them.

I've had similar feelings as a lot of people in this thread, a lot of anxiety and fear before my trips. What has always surprised and reassured me is this feeling I get on the comedown that everything I was worrying about is so far behind me now. That everything is okay and that I'm really glad I took the shrooms and learned so much from them. It's a really amazing feeling because after all they are teachers and you want to trip for a reason - whether to improve yourself, to feel "cleansed" or just to see cool shit - and once the trip is on it's way out you can really see how loving and personal the experience was, without that come up anxiety which makes you forget that. So I think you'll be really glad to have taken them, I think it'll feel familiar, loving and fun to trip and I hope you can remember that going in.

I also somewhat agree that taking a larger amount (3.5g) is the way to go, because it sucks wishing that you took more and I find that I can usually handle more than I thought I could, once I'm in it. But obviously that's a hugely personal decision and ultimately every trip is exactly what it needs to be. I've definitely found reward from smaller doses as well!




It found just before i take them, thank you. Welcome on shroomery :smile:

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The funny thing is, most of us feel this to a degree that is relative to the amount of time we have been away from tripping.

The longer I haven't taken a dose, the more apprehensive and anxiety provoking it is. But if I take them regularly, say once a month, then the anxiety is easily overcome. So I think that is giving you the most trouble, the distance between the now and your last trip.




:werd:


Also, OP, it's not necessarily "healthy fear" you're looking for to have, nor is it necessary to psychoanalyze yourself to try to get past it.  The doing is the fixing - just person up and go there.  If you're really uncomfortable start small to get a taste back and then ramp it up the next time out.

I've had as much as a 10 year break without tripping at all but the reunion was like "What took you so long?" not my world falling apart. :snoopyes:




I hope i will experience the same, thank you :smile:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26875175 - 08/11/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Have a nice trip ~


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: MindMeower]
    #26875190 - 08/11/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26875202 - 08/11/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Guys, thank you so much for all this. It really means a lot to me.

I decided to go for 2.5 grams of my favorite culture - it grows nicely. I blended the mushrooms and made a cup of tea with some lemon and ginger. Its sitting right here, staring into my soul. I covered the mirrors, put water bottle by my bedside, lined up some music and... in it went. Now i will quickly hop in the shower and then straight into the bed.





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    #26876317 - 08/12/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It was great, glad i did it. There was, of course, nothing to fear. I probably should have done more, just like you guys said :cheers:. Oh well, there is always next time.

The first two hours were really amazing, i was crying and laughing at the same time, while waves of "energy" were flowing through my body, and concentrating in the palms of my hands. I never had an experience like this before.


The rest of the trip was less pleseant. I could not quite get the grasp on anything and felt confused and a little bit sick, but i have no regrets. 10/10 would do again, only take more.

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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26876324 - 08/12/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Congratulations :mushroom2:


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26876360 - 08/12/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hell yea bro.

I love that shower during the comeup too.

So glad you had a nice time. It kinda seems that the shrooms will give you what you need. A nervous person needs reassurance and it seems they delivered.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Ombisha]
    #26876405 - 08/12/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It was great, glad i did it. There was, of course, nothing to fear. I probably should have done more, just like you guys said :cheers:. Oh well, there is always next time.

The first two hours were really amazing, i was crying and laughing at the same time, while waves of "energy" were flowing through my body, and concentrating in the palms of my hands. I never had an experience like this before.


The rest of the trip was less pleseant. I could not quite get the grasp on anything and felt confused and a little bit sick, but i have no regrets. 10/10 would do again, only take more.

Thanks again for pushing me over the edge :thanx:




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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26876967 - 08/12/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome stuff Ombisha.  :awesome:


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    #26876990 - 08/12/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's good to be in the groove. :shroomhead:


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    #26877443 - 08/12/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

@Socrateshroom what a GREAT reply.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: superreggie]
    #26877578 - 08/12/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The first time I tried them was about 1.5g and I bawled my eyes out at the end of the peak. Great time.

It's a confusing situation to be in but you have to just allow it to unfold and experience it. Those early trips are all about getting your boundaries or lack there of in some order. You'll learn to let go and be taken by the currents. It can be a terrifying endeavor but fear as you know is not always warranted. That's what helps me push past my fears. The fact that they might be just made up and I won't know until I face the situation.

  Just be safe and don't get reckless. For example, dont take leaps in doses, at least that's my advice. A leap? Doing 5g regularly then saying fuck it with that sort of mentality and taking 8g. Actually I think it's a respect thing imo.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26877691 - 08/12/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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i dont know man. just good luck♡ whatever you do. maybe dont have shrooms, just brew some B Caapi (ayahuasca tea) and drink a ton of that and you'll be relaxed and sort of in a psychedelic state, without any anxiety of any sorts.





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Thank you, thats really sweet :smile:

I never heard about brewing just B Caapi, i thought its only a maoi inhibitor? Does it have some effect on its own? I have some peganum harmala, which i never actually used, would it perhaps have similar effect?




I've never tried rue seeds, but people on forums sweare by it! Yes maoi inhibitor it is, but if you also believe that these plants have spirit and want to help you, then there is also that aspect. I can't put my finger exactly on what Aya does for me, all I know is it fixes me up, it cures my ills, it heals my soul, it resets my brain--it really does. And it makes sense, cause most shamans and stuff, some time they dont even use DMT containing plants and just drink high doses of CAAPI.


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Re: Going to trip after 3 years - Feeling dread [Re: superreggie]
    #26877891 - 08/13/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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@Socrateshroom what a GREAT reply.




Thanks!

:leocheers:

I'm just happy OP took the leap and had a great time. I see so much of my own suffering in him that it's nice to see it being alleviated.


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