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Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? 1
#26871409 - 08/09/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm having some trouble getting my mushrooms to cracker dryness, I'm using a dehydrator, two actually, one that I made and a store bought one, drying bulk, penis envy and another strain (blue meanie cubensis), mushrooms have been in the dehydrator for days..but I cant get the stems to dry out completely, theyre pretty dry but not completely, theyre still somewhat squishy/have a little give to them, does anyone have any tips here? This is bulk amt so not something I could really put inside of a Tupperware with desiccant. Im wondering why the food dehydrators aren't getting them to complete cracker dryness, has me very perplexed. Going to pick up a new/used dehydrator from a thrift store today and see if it makes a difference.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Timestop413] 1
#26871441 - 08/09/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cut all the hats off, and cut the stems in slices. But i`m worried about the time range. Mine never runs longer than max 8 hours.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Goatrider]
#26871500 - 08/09/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some mushrooms always seem to have a little give. Hard to explain but I always do runs for 24 hours at 160f. Sometimes I’ll get fruits that still feel kinda squishy around the butt (not squishy really but just have some give instead of crunching) Its just from them being hollow I think. If I bend them they crack and I’ll rub the pieces between my fingers and there’s no moisture.
Are these really thick and dense mushrooms?
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26871517 - 08/09/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey I think that's what I'm experiencing, some of them were thick, others are skinny, theyre penis envy's, but even the smaller stems still have a little give, the caps are cracker dry for sure but the stems seem to have a little flex/give to them before they break, the inside isn't wet thats for sure, kinda fibrous looking, stems are hollow. I personally am starting to think that they are as dry as they'll ever get, I mean they've been in dehydrator for 3-4 days between 130 and 160...
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26871527 - 08/09/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a food dehydrator running at max 65C and it produces cracker dry in 6 hours give or take. I do remove the caps off the biggest ones and cut their stems in half or just make a little cut in them
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Goatrider]
#26871529 - 08/09/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the suggestion but I dont think im going to do that, that is way to much work and not necessary I believe. I appreciate the suggestion but to go through and slice basically fully dried mushrooms in half/cut caps off..just seems unnecessary
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Timestop413]
#26871550 - 08/09/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course you won't do that after they're dry, who mentioned that? You cut hats off to dry them on a separate tray. You slice the stems in stripes, that way they dry way faster for some reason. More than one day is definitely too much, for sake of potency.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Goatrider]
#26871596 - 08/09/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fresh or dry, cutting every mushroom in a bulk harvest 2-3 times would take an eternity. One cut for the cap, one to two cuts on the stem lengthwise.
I work as a prep chef, and one of the daily tasks is cutting king oysters lengthwise like string cheese. It takes way longer than you would think, even when proficient, and it's just not worth it.
Just dry them as much as you can, and put them in a bucket or something with a lot of desiccant. They will be fine.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Kernale]
#26871620 - 08/09/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not every mushroom, but the very big ones.
Again: If you want shrooms in weak potency, go for a multiple day cycle.
No offense, but i do this for a long time, it always works perfectly, and is done in no time
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Goatrider]
#26871642 - 08/09/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder how much you normally harvest? The OP said it was a bulk amount, which I assume is multiple pounds fresh. At work it takes me a couple hours to do 15 pounds. Doing a few pounds might not be an issue, would maybe take 30 mins or so depending on your level of care, but is it worth it?
I doubt there is any real difference between complete cracker dry and "a little give". Unless you're keeping these for a few decades I doubt that tiny amount of moisture will amount to anything. Especially considering the moisture will eventually redistribute throughout the whole container, further reducing the moisture concentration.
Just dry them as much as possible and store with sufficient desiccant for the container's size. People vastly exaggerate the effects of moisture on stored mushrooms. I left a pound bag open once and they rehydrated to "leathery" and there was no potency loss (as far as I could tell) after a year, and no mold growth.
Just dry your shit and put it away.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Kernale]
#26871757 - 08/09/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some mushrooms have weird flesh that’s kinda like styrofoam when it’s dry. PE in particular in my experience.
Weigh a couple mushrooms and then put them back in for a while and weigh again. If they lose weight then keep going, if it stays the same they’re dry.
I think yours have gotta be dry and it’s just the consistency of the stem.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26871801 - 08/09/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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For 6 hours at 65C I'll bet after a week in the bag your shrooms are no longer cracker dry (if at all in the first place).
Mushboy did a comparison for 3x as long at 18 hours and they still were not cracker dry: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23782274
24 hours is the way to go
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Rhizomorph]
#26872620 - 08/10/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I might have to test them out. I checked one bag yesterday and they were still very hard.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: A.k.a]
#26872638 - 08/10/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Some mushrooms have weird flesh that’s kinda like styrofoam
Much this. I find that not only are there some runs/varieties of cubensis that turn out like this, but also some of the edibles I harvest give me hell determining rather they are dry without testing. They're still a little pliable (styrofoam was such a good word for effect, by the way...), but in the end- couldn't get any drier if they were baking in a mummy's asshole in Gobi desert.
Edited by alaskappalachian (08/10/20 02:34 AM)
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: alaskappalachian]
#26872648 - 08/10/20 02:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find pe tends to be that way especialy if let go longer, very spunge its as if the mycelium grows “loose” . If theyve been in there for days on max there fine and nothing to worry about , jst bag em up n vac em and your good to go
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Goatrider]
#26872942 - 08/10/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I’ve never needed multiple day drying, though I did forget once and leave some for around 36 hours at 160f, they were strong as ever. I don’t see why you’d say multiple days will kill the psilocybin. It can withstand boiling temps without degrading. Multi day is unnecessary without very thick and dense fruits but saying stuff like that will just further the myths of drying with heat ruining potency.
And I also can’t stand the looks of mushrooms with shredded stipes lol. I used to have to do it when I first started and hadn’t bought a dehydrator yet because the fan really would struggle with anything of decent size
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Not every mushroom, but the very big ones.
Again: If you want shrooms in weak potency, go for a multiple day cycle.
No offense, but i do this for a long time, it always works perfectly, and is done in no time
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26872972 - 08/10/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Roger Clemency said: I don’t see why you’d say multiple days will kill the psilocybin. It can withstand boiling temps without degrading. Multi day is unnecessary without very thick and dense fruits but saying stuff like that will just further the myths of drying with heat ruining potency.
Nah...i mean't it a bit spiteful in connection with the rest of the discussion. It's related to light, i won't expose them for too long. I always run mine at max temp, also boiling for tea
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Goatrider]
#26873005 - 08/10/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Btw what do you think, perhaps i'm wrong with that light thing during the drying process. I guess it's only for storage not to expose to light?
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Goatrider]
#26873028 - 08/10/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah I see. I don’t think a couple days in the light would hurt, but my dehydrator is dark inside anyway. There’s so much we don’t know but sunlight does break some things down I just don’t know how long it would actually take to make a noticeable difference.
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Re: Issues getting cracker dry despite using a dehydrator...bulk, tips? Is it broken? [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26873244 - 08/10/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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From my understanding oxidation reduces potency considerably more than light short-term. Long term you may notice a subtle difference if left in the light, but <48 hours in the light won't make a noticeable difference. Besides, if you're worried about light, get a dehydrator that doesn't let light in or just put it in a closet.
The time it takes between harvest & becoming cracker dry (or just not getting cracker dry in the first place) certainly will have a reasonable effect on the potency however.
Edited by Rhizomorph (08/10/20 12:42 PM)
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