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Zenn
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Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious.
#26872612 - 08/10/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi
So yeah this might be a stupid question. Just a passing thought. Can liquid plant fertiliser like Chilli Focus (with seaweed, I think its organic), be useful for nutrients for mushrooms for any stage of growth at all? Like how it is a source of nitrogen and other things. Just a curiosity. Not planning on using any on a substrate. Unless it does happen to be useful.
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: Zenn]
#26872647 - 08/10/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. not really. shrooms get all there nutrition from grains.
2. you can use its your grow all the post here are opinions.
3. calcium is something shrooms like but other than that they do not need any thing. and if you see pics on shroomery there are giant shrooms grown on grains thats all it needs keep it simple.
4. calcium carbonate is something that is too useful in mushroom growth. it act as ph buffer but its more than that in oyster mushrooms a trace amount of calcium carbonate produce more pins than other. i am currently experimenting it on magic shrooms
this the study and research showing how oyster mushrooms got extra pins https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335383545_Impact_different_Level_of_Calcium_Carbonate_CaCo3_on_Growth_and_yield_of_Oyster_Mushroom_Pleurotus_Spp
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: pesa]
#26872661 - 08/10/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Although it may have organics in it its probably very minimal and not worth adding and would most likely not make a single difference other then potentialy ruin your shit, if you want to use additives throw some straw or poo in there thayll love that shit, literaly. I tried using diamond nectar(humic n fulvic acid) a number of times and never noticed a difference good or bad it was just a waste if expensive plant food lol
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: pesa]
#26872680 - 08/10/20 03:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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All opinions welcome
The reason it was a passing thought is I happen to have some chilli plant food already as I am growing chilli plants and other various veggies indoors. Like peas, and in the pea pot there is i think a type of cup fungus. I feed my plants with the food, and there seems to be mycelium of some kind in another veg box (thinking spores must have been in the rabbit poop i used mixed with coir for growing medium). But since i dont know much about the fungi i been finding in my pots I wasnt sure if the presence of plant food in a substrate would be beneficial or not.
Had also been reading a little on spore activators.
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: Zenn]
#26872717 - 08/10/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. mycelium is much different than plants. it breaths oxygen and gives out co2 and likes to live in total darkness or partial darkness. the only time it comes out is when it fruits.
2. mycelium live in symbiosis with plants. it transfer nutrients between plants at cost of getting glucose from plants. since mycelium got the biggest network than any known plant for example Armillaria ostoyae, or, as it's nicknamed, the Humongous Fungus. It's an organism that covers 2,385 acres (almost 4 square miles) or 6.43km.
3. in my experience never saw mycelium utilizing plant nutrients. use to think why the heck mycelium carry plant nutrients and never utilizing dig up on the information its due to symbiosis. mycelium do enjoy there sugar, fiber, carbohydrates, calcium, some of minerals etc and there endless love for poop and water.
4. you can feed it with bit of potato water. coir itself do not have much nutrients but it helps carry nutrients. you can also put it with weed plant it do make symbiosis with that peas work too.
5. plant substrate, if it have iron, potassium, glucose, calcium it will feed of that.
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: Zenn]
#26872720 - 08/10/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This experiment has already been done -by ME, decades ago. Before shroomery, before all this mush growing knowlege was so easily available to the masses, peeps like me had to figure things out experiment by experiment. Much of what was considered factual 15 years ago is now considered bullsh*t by shroomery's (and everybody elses) standards. I don't want to come off as being a snob about this but facts are facts.
Fact 1- any grain has more than enough nutes to support an awesome grow. " 2- any time you add an additive (nitrogeneous component/a protein) your chances of failure increase by a factor of lots and lots. " 3- horse compost/poo does NOT increase the potency of p'delic shroomies
" 4 - adding stuff to your substrate in an attempt to grow more/ bigger/ better shrooms will only introduce you to the world of contaminates. This may spark your curiosity to the point where you want to go to school and explore things further. This is what happened to me. Mycology is a specialized field of science. Microbiology is NOT specialized, and is required in much biology . " 5 -science is WAY cool, and can lead you to a 'career' instead of a 'job'. More $ for more of what you find interesting/fun to begin with.
The above posters made some very valid and noteworthy points. It is nice to see that shroom growing knowlege (sp?) is being absorbed and passed on to a new generation of growers! Happy growing peeps!
Edited by scarabaeus (08/10/20 05:13 AM)
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: scarabaeus]
#26880328 - 08/14/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really cool information, thanks guys
Not using it on my grows, just wondered if it could be worth experimenting with at some point. Have any of you read this before?
https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byorg/abbey/an/an16/an16-1/an16-116.html
I found it quite interesting.
As for the fertiliser food addition, would it be useful for something like spore activation like in the above link? Also the ph of a substrate effect on germination?
I guess my thoughts were more towards a starter that was not made with grain. Like if a cake was made with a low nutrient material, had grass growing on top, inoculated with spore, it may not germinate but could could the addition of liquid nutrient work to aid spore activation or to give better condition to allow mycelium to begin thriving?
I guess I'm playing with the idea of trying to simulate how something might grow outdoors without doing it outdoors. I get that it might not work, although the liquid feed I have does contain the "iron, potassium, glucose, calcium it will feed of that." mentioned above.
I'm just spitballing really, of things to maybe tinker with. Sorry if I'm a bit all over the place, the problem with having lots of curiosities lol.
"Science is WAY cool" yes, yes it is! I really appreciate the above input very much. Thank you guys for sharing your knowledge
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: Zenn]
#26881638 - 08/15/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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interesting link to read thanx for that.
1. mycelium like neutral ph level 7 or bit acidic like 8 ph level. ph does play a vital role in spore germination.
2. in artificial environment we use dextrose, filter water boil then cool down to room temperature. they all work. but to keep it clean using agar and imitating nature.
3.you are doing a experiment at some point something will work out good luck on that.
4. lol dont be sorry curiosity is something that lead me to a lot of successful grow using a lot of different substrate.
this guy RR he did a lot experiments with mycelium and produce solid results.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468474#8468474
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: pesa]
#26892564 - 08/21/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oooo there is a lot of interesting info in that link, thank you very much! Bookmarking that for sure.
There are so many things to try. I have done a little agar work with some success, even had some sneaky little pins start in a forgotten dish once, that was quite a surprise.
It will be fun finding out all the different ways to do things Some things are hit or miss lol. In general I stick to proven tech, but always get curious about other things while waiting and watching.
One experiment is seemingly going well right now. Ps. Cyanescens in a mulch box in my pantry. Have had primordia, had a minor set back and they aborted but it's been recovering quite well. Really hoping it works out, the wait is painful lol! But they will be worth it.
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Re: Maybe a stupid question about fertiliser. Just curious. [Re: Zenn]
#26914615 - 09/02/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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agar is nice work to do, require times and patience in all steps of mycology. experiments are always hit and miss and try again with another theory, i let go of proven tech and got in to realm of unknown and experimenting only. i got good results from calcium carbonate it do increase pins and produce fat fruits.
nice Ps. Cyanescens
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