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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26881854 - 08/15/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26881917 - 08/15/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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One of my family members husband just had a close brush with death, he had Covid 19 over a month ago, he got fairly sick from it, but not hospitalized initially, he is obese, ex sport player who got fat after getting out the work out game.

One after affect of covid 19 is blood thickening up and clotting easy. He developed many clots, his heart enlarged and something else happened I forget but anyway he had to spend a couple days in the hospital and get on blood thinners.

Obesity is the number 1 factor with dying from covid 19 other than being really old and almost dead already.

My family member told me that while she was at the hospital to pick him up she asked what they are currently doing to treat covid 19, this hospital is in Texas if that matters for any reason, they said hydroxychloroquine, zinc and what ever that other medicine is and that so far not 1 person has died that they treated with it.



Im sorry hes going through that, hope he makes it man seriously i dont wish this on anyone.

Here's some peer reviewed evidence from Berkley that explains what happens to people after they recover thats very important you mentioned the clots whixh are dangerous but theres alot of complications https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/08/from-lung-scarring-to-heart-damage-covid-19-may-leave-lingering-marks/


For some individuals with COVID-19, recovering from the acute phase of the infection is only the beginning. Worrying reports now indicate that the virus may be capable of inflicting long-lasting damage to the lungs, heart and nervous system, and researchers are closely watching to see if the kidneys, liver and gastrointestinal tract may be susceptible to persistent damage as well.

Some patients also report symptoms that remain weeks, even months, after becoming infected, leading some to suspect that the virus may be able to spark conditions like chronic fatigue syndrome.

“In the beginning, our model for understanding this infection was to treat it like another respiratory virus like influenza,” said John Swartzberg, clinical professor emeritus of infectious diseases and vaccinology in the UC Berkeley-UCSF Joint Medical Program. “I think one of the most unfortunate and interesting things about this virus is that its interaction with us is actually far more complicated than that.”

 Berkeley News spoke to Swartzberg about what we know about the virus’s potential to inflict long-term damage to the body and how patients can lessen their risk of complications. But he cautions that, after only about six months of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, it is too early to say if any persistent effects are chronic or long-term, or if we’ve identified all the possible long-term impacts.

One thing we didn’t anticipate was that the virus seems to accelerate a great deal of scarring in the lungs. And if lung tissue is replaced with scar tissue, it is no longer functional as regular pulmonary tissue, which translates to poor gas exchange. What we really fear is long-term shortness of breath that could extend anywhere from being very mild to severely limiting. There is also a disturbing report looking at computerized tomography (CT) scans of asymptomatic people that found they were left with some scar tissue. So, this could even be happening on a subclinical level.

Another area is the heart. There is evidence now that the virus can directly attack heart muscle cells, and there’s also evidence that the cytokine storm that the virus triggers in the body not only damages the lungs, but can damage the heart. We don’t know what the long-term effects of that may be, but it could be that we will have a population of people who survive COVID-19 only to go on and have chronic cardiac problems.

The third organ system that we’re now pretty clear about is the central nervous system. There is evidence of direct involvement of the virus with neurons, and also the cytokine storm and inflammatory mediators can cause damage to the central nervous system. This is manifesting itself not only in neurologic clinical findings, but also psychological findings. We’re seeing patients post-discharge struggling with psychological challenges, almost like PTSD. And, we’re also seeing some cognitive defects in some people that are very disturbing.

We’ve also seen damage to the kidneys from the cytokines, and there is also evidence that the virus can bind to receptors in the liver, though we haven’t seen significant liver disease yet in patients. Finally, the gastrointestinal tract itself has virus receptors, and about 15% of people, especially children, present with gastrointestinal symptoms. But, so far, there is no evidence that this will cause persistent symptoms.

Finally, it has become clear that infection with SARS-CoV-2 triggers abnormal clotting of the blood in some people. This has led to pulmonary emboli, which are blood clots that travel to and damage the lungs, and strokes, which are blood clots in the vascular system of the brain.  Both pulmonary emboli and strokes may have long-term consequences for these two organs.

Then, in pediatrics, there’s this multi-system inflammatory syndrome in children, which appears to occur not typically with acute infection, but following the acute infection by a short period of a few weeks. This is where multiple systems are involved with inflammation, including skin, joints, kidneys, lungs and heart. And some of these kids can be very sick, with rare deaths.

I think I’ve gone through almost all the organ systems, and the ones that I think are highly likely to suffer persistent complications are lungs, the heart and maybe central nervous system. But, the rate at which we are learning is enormously fast. I’m sure if you come back to me in three or six months, the list will be longer in some places, but maybe we will have eliminated some potential chronic problems.


If it’s true, which it appears to be at this point, that the people who get the most sick are the most likely to have persistent problems, then the question should be: What can you do to prevent getting really sick? And the answer is, look at the risk factors that are modifiable. Age is not a modifiable risk factor. But diabetes, hypertension and obesity are. Anything that is causing chronic inflammation in the body. Smoking, including vaping, could all be under that framework. So, I think that the answer to that is to optimize your health."

Basically people with no underlying health problems can have pretty horrific long lasting effects even if they recover from covid.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26881927 - 08/15/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The human body is perfectly capable of clearing a large amount of aluminum on a daily basis. Life on earth has evolved this ability because we live in an environment that is made primarily of aluminum, iron and silicon anions. You are constantly exposed to, and ingesting aluminum ions. Dirt. Dust. Stoneware. Pottery. Bricks. These are all aluminum based materials. Aluminum oxides are some of the most common substances on the surface of the earth, making up 7% of the earths crust by weight - even more by number of molecules. It’s in our food. It’s everywhere. A tiny amount of aluminum in a vaccine is totally inconsequential.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26881957 - 08/15/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah he had the pulmonary embolism but it didn't happen for after a month after recovering from covid. He may be on blood thinners for life now they are not sure if this is a temporary or permanent problem.

I personally think its temporary indint see why his blood wouldn't go back to normal


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26881958 - 08/15/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The human body is perfectly capable of clearing a large amount of aluminum on a daily basis. Life on earth has evolved this ability because we live in an environment that is made primarily of aluminum, iron and silicon anions. You are constantly exposed to, and ingesting aluminum ions. Dirt. Dust. Stoneware. Pottery. Bricks. These are all aluminum based materials. Aluminum oxides are some of the most common substances on the surface of the earth, making up 7% of the earths crust by weight - even more by number of molecules. It’s in our food. It’s everywhere. A tiny amount of aluminum in a vaccine is totally inconsequential.




Old paint chips contain lead. Would you eat some for dinner?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26881988 - 08/15/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The lead content in older paint was extremely high.  Your point is moot


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26881992 - 08/15/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The lead content in older paint was extremely high.  Your point is moot




Right.

So, it's alright if I eat smaller amounts of lead?

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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26882010 - 08/15/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The lead content in older paint was extremely high.  Your point is moot




Right.

So, it's alright if I eat smaller amounts of lead?

:pleasetellmemore:




Lead is toxic in all amounts. Aluminum is harmless below a certain threshold.

You should read the active ingredients of different brands of antacids and buffered aspirin. Aluminum hydroxide is the primary ingredient in some antacid brands.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26882023 - 08/15/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah he had the pulmonary embolism but it didn't happen for after a month after recovering from covid. He may be on blood thinners for life now they are not sure if this is a temporary or permanent problem.

I personally think its temporary indint see why his blood wouldn't go back to normal




My friend who is a doctor in a Texas hospital keeps me updated on what’s happening. Blood clots are probably the big killer



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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26882039 - 08/15/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Weird how all the people going on ventilators are dying but all the people saying they are treating it with hydroxywhateverthefuck keep reporting high recovery rates.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26882044 - 08/15/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It’s not weird. People that get put on ventilators can no longer breathe on their own. And, many of them were given hydroxychloroquine in the first few months because it was a standard treatment worldwide. They still died.

What I do find interesting is now that hydroxhloroquine is no longer being used, the fatality rate has dropped significantly. Don’t you think that’s interesting?


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26882057 - 08/15/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What I find interesting is that you say its no longer being used but someone a few posts ago said it is.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26882074 - 08/15/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The lead content in older paint was extremely high.  Your point is moot




Right.

So, it's alright if I eat smaller amounts of lead?

:pleasetellmemore:




Any amount of lead is toxic, but eating paint chips is retarded.  I dont understand what you are trying to get at. They use aluminum products in a lot of food that you eat and you probably have no idea it's in it.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26882082 - 08/15/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

:downswords:  The vaccine won’t be enough :downswords:


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26882100 - 08/15/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What's being ignored about hydroxychloroquine is that it is showing effectiveness in early treatments, before people are hospitalized. Also, zinc is left out in many studies.

HCQ is taken to prevent infection, not to treat late stage illnesses.

Might be a good idea to keep people out of hospitals unless they really need to be there. Give people a cheap, old, proven, approved, safe drug which is showing to prevent infection. Anyone saying it's not safe probably hasn't used or prescribed it.

Not a good idea to wait until people are clearly symptomatic before even testing, then waiting on results to begin treatment.
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The lead content in older paint was extremely high.  Your point is moot




Right.

So, it's alright if I eat smaller amounts of lead?

:pleasetellmemore:




Any amount of lead is toxic, but eating paint chips is retarded.  I dont understand what you are trying to get at. They use aluminum products in a lot of food that you eat and you probably have no idea it's in it.




I think it's a little different, seeing how these aluminum adjuvants are being injected directly into muscle.

Our digestive systems produce a number of chemicals to break down foods we eat. Muscles don't do that sort of thing.

To say there is no difference is ignorant.

These adjuvants are injected into infants with developing brains.

Aluminum is known to cross blood brain barriers and cause inflammation within an infants skull, swelling a brain and causing a still soft cranium to expand.

Autism much?


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26882127 - 08/15/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

http://vaccinepapers.org/vaccine-aluminum-travels-to-the-brain/

And this interesting article says exactly that.

Might change some perspective on adjuvants.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26882147 - 08/15/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's not about how well it works it's about what it does to the heart and other organs after you get out of the hospital


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26882161 - 08/15/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not about how well it works it's about what it does to the heart and other organs after you get out of the hospital




Speaking on HCQ I assume?

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who have been taking HCQ for years.

What's your point?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26882194 - 08/15/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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What I find interesting is that you say its no longer being used but someone a few posts ago said it is.




It’s not being used in hospital settings outside of approved clinical trials. It used to be given to a large percentage of hospitalized patients.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26882213 - 08/15/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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It used to be given to a large percentage of hospitalized patients.




Sorry koods, you're going to have to provide links to support this claim.

Or else, you're just blowing smoke.

Edit.

Also, to point out you saying, hospitalized patients.

Again, HCQ is effective in early, out paitent treatments.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (08/15/20 06:56 PM)


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