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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: mndfreeze]
#27469587 - 09/15/21 04:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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How on Gods green earth are we actually supporting wearing random cotton mask's.....on a forum with more or less a bunch of hobbyist microbiologist. Put some random cotton on your spawn jars while your at it...make sure to blow into this cotton filter to test it its effectiveness.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: camplo]
#27469590 - 09/15/21 04:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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A good mask is effective if everyone uses it.
Surely you of all people should understand the power of bacteria/mold/etc as a microbiologist.
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A good mask as in a hepa mask... A bad mask is a random cotton mask...
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: camplo]
#27469634 - 09/15/21 05:25 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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A bad mask is no mask A better mask is pretty much any cloth covering your face. An even better mask is a surgical mask The best mask is an n95
Put on a cloth mask and try to blow out a candle. If you can’t blow out a candle you’re also not blowing virus across the room. Case closed. Seriously this debate was over more than a year ago.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods] 2
#27469639 - 09/15/21 05:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody here is wearing masks anymore and I live in a big very liberal city. Kinda surprising actually. I guess everyone stopped caring.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: chopstick]
#27469646 - 09/15/21 05:44 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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My guess is that no one in this part of the forum grows mushrooms... Cotton mask are ineffective. Once a mask is used after boundaries are breached between face and environment it is contaminated....must be sterilized or discarded...if you put on a mask in dirty aka normal air, the inside of the mask is already contaminated by the time it reaches your face....if you are reusing the same mask without sterilization you have lodged many many microbial life into the mask....gave a food source (the cotton) and a water source (your breath) now it reproduces as you breath it in daily....How smart.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: camplo] 1
#27469647 - 09/15/21 05:44 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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camplo said: How on Gods green earth are we actually supporting wearing random cotton mask's.....on a forum with more or less a bunch of hobbyist microbiologist. Put some random cotton on your spawn jars while your at it...make sure to blow into this cotton filter to test it its effectiveness.
You should do this experiment. Get two plates. With one blow on it without a mask. The other with a mask. I guarantee you’ll see less contamination with mask. You don’t need perfect performance with a mask to prevent covid infection. The amount of virus you are exposed to that is important. It takes tens of thousands of viral particles to reliably cause infection. If your mask is blocking half the viral particles, then your chance of infection is essentially cut in half.
And cloth masks actually do block viruses. Viruses are so small that the mesh pore size is not the most important factor.
When you get to the size of a virus, electrical charges dominate. The fibers in your mask get slightly charged by rubbing against each other and your face and by air moving back and forth. Like a balloon rubbed on hair that can pick up feathers or small pieces of paper, as viruses pass the fibers, then can get pulled into the fibers. N95 masks are designed with fibers that have a permanent electrical charge and this is how they work.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: camplo]
#27469652 - 09/15/21 05:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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camplo said: My guess is that no one in this part of the forum grows mushrooms... Cotton mask are ineffective.
Mold spores are much larger than viruses and pass trough a fiber mesh with latent charges much easier. You also require perfectly sterile conditions. One spore can fuck everything up. One viral particle has almost no chance of infecting you.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#27469656 - 09/15/21 05:51 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should do this experiment. Get two plates. With one blow on it without a mask. The other with a mask.
Now we're cooking, some real logic being applied here...But then at the end you crashed and burn with the statement about how n95 mask work...a hepa filter is how that mask work. Hepa is based on pore size. End of story.
Has anyone done this experiment already?
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Viruses are so small that the mesh pore size is not the most important factor.
because they are so small they ride on other things, dust, water particles, aerosols, pretty much any and everything available.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: camplo] 1
#27469660 - 09/15/21 05:56 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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No it’s really easy to look up how n95 masks work using charged fibers. Maybe you should check before calling me out.
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0023940#header
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#27469666 - 09/15/21 06:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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For filters based on fibrous materials and operating at filtration velocities similar to those encountered in human breathing, the minimum filtration efficiency occurs for ≈0.3 μm sized particles. At this scale, the filtration mechanism crosses over from a diffusion dominated regime to an inertia dominated regime.19 In addition to mechanical capture, N95 respirators employ an electrostatic mechanism to attract and intercept foreign particles (charged or uncharged). This happens when there are significant electric fields and electric field gradients in the mask material, which may occur when the fibers are charged.20 It is these electrostatic interactions that raise the filtration of N95 masks to the 95% level.
Appears we are both right
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#27469669 - 09/15/21 06:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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because they are so small they ride on other things, dust, water particles, aerosols, pretty much any and everything available.
Why do you think that happens? How does a virus stick to a piece of dust? 🤗
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#27469670 - 09/15/21 06:01 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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For filters based on fibrous materials and operating at filtration velocities similar to those encountered in human breathing, the minimum filtration efficiency occurs for ≈0.3 μm sized particles. At this scale, the filtration mechanism crosses over from a diffusion dominated regime to an inertia dominated regime.19 In addition to mechanical capture, N95 respirators employ an electrostatic mechanism to attract and intercept foreign particles (charged or uncharged). This happens when there are significant electric fields and electric field gradients in the mask material, which may occur when the fibers are charged.20 It is these electrostatic interactions that raise the filtration of N95 masks to the 95% level.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#27469673 - 09/15/21 06:02 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said:
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because they are so small they ride on other things, dust, water particles, aerosols, pretty much any and everything available.
Why do you think that happens? How does a virus stick to a piece of dust? 🤗
Im not denying an electrostatic cling as a factor....but a cotton mask...naw. Ain't good enough bud.
Look at the bigger picture...This Quote:
N95 masks are meant for one-time usage for two reasons: (1) potential contamination and (2) rapid degradation of their filtration efficiency with use.
And what the general public is doing.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: camplo]
#27469682 - 09/15/21 06:10 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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The goal with masks in a non medical setting is not to totally block all viral particles. Blocking some of them is a huge advantage. If everyone wore a mask that blocked 20% of viral particles, you’re literally reducing the chance of infection by 20% for every person. That can have a huge effect on the rate of case growth.
N95 masks have a semi permanent charge. But just about any insulating material like cotton or polyester will take on a charge through friction. A mask that’s rubbing on your face and moving air will give those fibers a little charge and that’s enough to trap viral particles. The viruses themselves likely have taken on some charge moving through the environment as well.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#27469692 - 09/15/21 06:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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You guys been following this nicki minaj thing? Apparently the media went full-on attack mode on her because she questioned the vaccine. Lol. Apparently it made her male relative impotent & caused his testicles to swell.
She has now been put in twitter jail for refusing to back down on her stance.
The media is so blatant with its bullshit. They're like harpies that immediately descend on anyone with a platform that engages in wrongthink.
This timeline is possibly the most retarded one we could have ended up on. Why the hell is Nicki Minaj the only celebrity out there with any balls?
And why is their narrative so fragile that they have to attack anyone and everyone that questions it?
These are the questions we should ask ourselves.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: chopstick] 1
#27469695 - 09/15/21 06:22 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm willing to bet Niki Minaj has humongous balls.
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#27469708 - 09/15/21 06:31 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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If there's one thing that Nikki minaj would never do, it's do something that would bring herself lots of attention
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#27469710 - 09/15/21 06:32 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here’s a paper that demonstrates cloth masks can be as effective or even more effective than n95
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: chopstick]
#27469713 - 09/15/21 06:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: You guys been following this nicki minaj thing? Apparently the media went full-on attack mode on her because she questioned the vaccine. Lol. Apparently it made her male relative impotent & caused his testicles to swell.
She has now been put in twitter jail for refusing to back down on her stance.
The media is so blatant with its bullshit. They're like harpies that immediately descend on anyone with a platform that engages in wrongthink.
This timeline is possibly the most retarded one we could have ended up on. Why the hell is Nicki Minaj the only celebrity out there with any balls?
And why is their narrative so fragile that they have to attack anyone and everyone that questions it?
These are the questions we should ask ourselves.
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