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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26902695 - 08/27/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're source is, ONCE AGAIN, the lowest of the lowest of the low when it comes to intellectual honesty.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/
Please, stop it.
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-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26902703 - 08/27/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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HamHead said: Professor Alexander Chuchalin resigned from the health ministry's ethics council after trying to block the registration of what Russia claims to be 'world's first coronavirus vaccine' on 'safety grounds', the Daily Mail reported.
So you don't even read your sources huh?
Wow, as if you couldn't make yourself look any worse right now..
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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HamHead said: Professor Alexander Chuchalin resigned from the health ministry's ethics council after trying to block the registration of what Russia claims to be 'world's first coronavirus vaccine' on 'safety grounds', the Daily Mail reported.
So you don't even read your sources huh?
Wow, as if you couldn't make yourself look any worse right now..
What's your point?
So, I should just avoid all sources unless they're approved by some board of information approval?
How about you go find a source to PROVE IT WRONG!
Please?
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26902725 - 08/27/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I made my point here:
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HamHead said: all I'm doing is sharing what others have shared and recommended themselves.
I'm not really sure what you're doing counts as 'sharing' though. Usually what is shared is something wanted by the party one is sharing with, right? However in this case I don't think there's anyone here who wants your particular rhetoric flavor of the month.
From the outside at least, it looks far more like you have an insistence on ramming whatever conclusions you have reached down the throats of anyone in the community who will give you the time of day. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see an act of kindness here so much as I see an act of sheer stubbornness on your part. You've made your position clear, as well as the fact that you will work yourself to the bone to defend it.
I dunno man. It all just seems really really unnecessary from where I sit.
Why can't you let it go and do something more wonderful with your time?
I'm not into posting hearsay to try and disprove or prove shit that is neither provable nor disprovable. That would be an absolute waste of my time.
What I am into however is harmony amongst the community I love with all my heart.
You have been filling it with bad vibes.
Please stop.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Jokeshopbeard said: You're source is, ONCE AGAIN, the lowest of the lowest of the low when it comes to intellectual honesty.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/
Please, stop it.
Moburg, capitalization is a pretty low brow form of communication. Luckily this fancy interface allows both the use of italics and bold, which are preferred for placing emphasis on words or phrases.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26902764 - 08/27/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's another source.
https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/russia-is-jumping-the-gun-with-its-vaccine/article32423561.ece
Thus, the Russian vaccine at the moment seems to be a lethal game of chance, such as the Russian roulette. In this dangerous game, a bullet is loaded into one chamber of a revolver, the cylinder is spun, and then the trigger is pulled while pointing the gun at one’s own head. In fact, in a survey of 3,040 Russian doctors and health specialists, conducted by the Doctor’s Handbook app, 52% said they were not ready to be vaccinated; only 24.5% said they were. And just a fifth said they would recommend the vaccine to patients, colleagues or friends. What’s more, a leading respiratory doctor in Russia has quit the Health Ministry citing “gross violations” of medical ethics in the development of the COVID-19 vaccine.
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A Nature Medicine article in June stated that SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may last only 2-3 months after a person becomes infected. Another recent study of King’s College London found that levels of antibodies that can destroy the virus peaked about three weeks after the onset of symptoms and then started declining. Certainly, if antibody levels due to infection wane in 2-3 months, the vaccine might potentially do the same thing. And nobody knows the durability of the antibody created by the Russian vaccine — is it durable for a few years or a few weeks? This should be scientifically settled before the vaccine is used. Also, carefully conducted clinical trials might even show that a vaccine could be harmful for a section of the population. For example, a new type of measles vaccine in the early 1990s was found to be detrimental to baby girls, and so it was never licensed for the general population.
https://www.news18.com/news/world/russias-top-doctor-quits-over-covid-19-vaccine-registration-of-sputnik-v-2787585.html
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/russia-top-doctor-quits-over-covid-vaccine-registration-642090
https://www.timesnownews.com/international/article/sputnik-v-a-sham-russias-top-respiratory-doctor-resigns-over-untested-covid-19-vaccine/637076
https://medium.com/med-xp/the-russian-vaccine-top-scientist-quits-over-ethical-concerns-28c2bbd0f3f6
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/top-russian-doctor-quits-over-covid-19-vaccine-registration-130768
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12396826/russias-coronavirus-vaccine-top-doc-quits/
http://www.pharmafile.com/news/556519/top-russian-doctor-quits-over-questionable-ethics-rushed-through-coronavirus-vaccine
https://meaww.com/russia-top-respiratory-doctor-quits-gross-violations-medical-ethics-rushed-putin-coronavirus-vaccine
I guess all these sources are shit too, huh?
I'm staying on topic of, "the vaccine won't be enough".
Russia approved a coronavirus vaccine.
This is a harm reduction site.
I am showing a doctor quitting because of safety concerns.
I, too, love this community, no matter how much I get shit on. I am being honest with my post, expressing what I believe to be true. All the while, I have people calling me ignorant toddler, moron, asshole, retarded, etc, etc, etc, yet I am being polite to others and am being punished?
I may be a smart ass but I don't call people names.
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Why can't you let it go and do something more wonderful with your time?
It's interesting you say this. I played a lot of video games for a majority of my life. I would come home and turn on a console on a daily basis, cook some dinner and play various games until bed.
When Covid became more of an issue here in US, perhaps when things shut down is when I started to shift my focus from video games to information. I began looking for information but I didn't know what to look for. My dad sent me an email with a video link that shifted my perspective and made me question more what was going on. I started finding other, alternative sources, outside of mainstream media, who were saying some intriguing things so I looked more, with a broader vocabulary to use in search engines.
As I continued to look and listen to interviews and read articles, my vocabulary broadened even more. I admit, many words I don't understand, but when people are saying with their voice what they feel to be true, risking their jobs/careers because they care about saving lives, I have a gut feeling to listen to them rather than what mainstream media has been pressing.
I am now looking into Remdesivir and it's interesting reading about this stuff.
I know I may never go into any field of medicine, but that doesn't mean I can't read about drugs that are being used around our globe.
I have done the same with psychedelics, learning about many more common psychedelics, through my own personal interest.
I am interested in what is happening with Covid, and I am seeing many layers that some people may refuse to recognize.
So, I guess to my point. Covid has pulled me away from daily video games and has drawn me towards learning more about health, politics, economics, and whatever else I may come across. Instead of wasting time playing games, I am now looking at information about real life, real world issues, events and matters.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26904252 - 08/28/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: i've said it before but I'll say it again: if y'all really wanna "scope out the truth", get yourself a transport job in a big city hospital.
If you want to scope out the truth, get out of your echo chamber. See the 99.99%+ of the world that isn't an ICU.
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morrowasted said: i've said it before but I'll say it again: if y'all really wanna "scope out the truth", get yourself a transport job in a big city hospital.
If you want to scope out the truth, get out of your echo chamber. See the 99.99%+ of the world that isn't an ICU.
So, your suggestion is to see the truth be a horse with blinders on...
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
#26904532 - 08/28/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: i've said it before but I'll say it again: if y'all really wanna "scope out the truth", get yourself a transport job in a big city hospital.
If you want to scope out the truth, get out of your echo chamber. See the 99.99%+ of the world that isn't an ICU.
So, your suggestion is to see the truth be a horse with blinders on... 
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26907473 - 08/30/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/08/30/massachusetts-flu-shot-children-requirement-protest/
Parents Protest State’s Student Flu Shot Requirement Outside Massachusetts State House August 30, 2020 at 8:42 am
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/08/19/flu-vaccine-massachusetts-students-shot-requirement/
BOSTON (CBS) — All students in Massachusetts will be required to get the flu vaccine before the end of the year. State public health officials made the announcement Wednesday, citing the importance of reducing flu-related illnesses amid the coronavirus pandemic.
“Influenza immunization will be required for all children 6 months of age or older who are attending Massachusetts child care, pre-school, kindergarten, K-12, and colleges and universities,” the Massachusetts Department of Public Health said in a statement.
Massachusetts is the first state to require the flu shot for K-12 and college students, according to CNN. Only a few other states have flu vaccine requirements for daycare and preschool children under 5 years old.
Vaccines have always been controversial, and this one is no different. “One hundred percent, people should still have the choice I think,” said Dan Condin, from Natick. “Our country was founded upon individual liberty, and I still believe that in regards to shots.”
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26907545 - 08/30/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They do have a choice. If they don’t want their kid to get the flu shot they can chooose to home school.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
#26909029 - 08/31/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mandatory eating of garlic cloves and distilling eucalyptus essential oils would probably be about as effective
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: twighead]
#26912879 - 09/01/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We should wear masks anytime there is a flu season.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26912885 - 09/01/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lot of asian countries already do the mask thing all the time because it is just healthier.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: mndfreeze]
#26912889 - 09/01/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It should be mandatory with aggressive force used for people who violate it.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26912904 - 09/01/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: It should be mandatory with aggressive force used for people who violate it.
You mean like how it already is for us users of illegal drugs?
Never stopped or bothered me (as an adult).
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Yes, how it is already used for illegal drugs.
We should also be banned from websites like facebook or the shroomery for things we say and also those websites should be able to call the police and have them come take the user away by force for thinking the wrong thing.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26912964 - 09/01/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Starting to look a little melty there.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#26913176 - 09/02/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Lot of asian countries already do the mask thing all the time because it is just healthier.
Robust immune systems and healthy diets > trying to sterilize our experience.... people can try and hide from viruses and bacteria all they want - and try all of these 'scientific solutions' in the form of vaccines, antibiotics, masks, distancing, etc... but at the end of the day - proper nutrition, proper exercise, qi gong, yoga, time in the sun, not sitting on your fucking ass all day staring at a screen and then eating mcdonalds watching shitty fox tv and going to bed will do vastly more than all of the immunologists and medical doctors recommendations.
I would disagree wholeheartedly that masking all the time is just healthier... it's a pathetic cowardly bandaid for a real solution.
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