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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: cannabinated]
#26894555 - 08/22/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It was just in 2018,
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
"CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years"
deadliest flu season in 40 years and none of you even fucking noticed lmao
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
#26894557 - 08/22/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lets compare apples to apples The burden of influenza A H1N1pdm09 virus from 2009 – 2018 CDC estimates that from 2009 through 2018, influenza A H1N1pdm09 has caused at least: 100.5 million illnesses 936,000 hospitalizations 75,000 deaths in ten years in US.... we got that beat by 10,000's of thousands in deaths with covid-19 in 9 months.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
#26894558 - 08/22/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: im pretty sure "swine flu" is typically used as the colloquial term for referring to the specific h1n1 flu that circulated a decade ago. i believe it's common for pigs to harbor the flu in general, but we need to be clear about the terms you're using.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
Gotta be quick with these links, threads moving quick.
Edit. It's been argued that h1n1 in 2009 was from that original 1918 strain.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
#26894559 - 08/22/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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And swine flu is 10 times LESS deadly than regular flu, more people die of regular seasonal flus than they do of swine flu, swinde flu is fucking 10 times less deadly, so times that number by 10 and u get regular flu statistics now compare that to covid 19 lmao keep up
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
#26894560 - 08/22/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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An unusual characteristic of this virus was the high death rate it caused among healthy adults 15 to 34 years of age.
Covid is not as deadly as Spanish flu.
The 1918 H1N1 flu pandemic, sometimes referred to as the “Spanish flu,” killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide, including an estimated 675,000 people in the United States.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead] 1
#26894563 - 08/22/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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HamHead said: An unusual characteristic of this virus was the high death rate it caused among healthy adults 15 to 34 years of age.
Covid is not as deadly as Spanish flu.
The 1918 H1N1 flu pandemic, sometimes referred to as the “Spanish flu,” killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide, including an estimated 675,000 people in the United States.
Or medical treatment has improved slightly since then.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894564 - 08/22/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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And even though swine h1n1 flu was 10x less deadly than regular flu what was the medias reason to be scared? It kills young people not old.
Its not like it was out there expiring people a month or a year earlier than they would have died anyway, it was killing people who had their whole lives ahead of them, that not enough to scare me, or even you you were not scared then now were you.
But suddenly a virus killing people who are about to die any day anyway scares you. WHy? Cause a news outlet told you to and you bought into it.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894565 - 08/22/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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By the by H3N2 was the prominent flu strain in 2017-18 and was not included in the vaccine.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894566 - 08/22/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Dude 80,000 people die of the flu in 3 months in the USA just a coupe years ago lol
estimates of flu mortality are extrapolated in a really complicated way. this is an article from earlier this year
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https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
When reports about the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 began circulating earlier this year and questions were being raised about how the illness it causes, COVID-19, compared to the flu, it occurred to me that, in four years of emergency medicine residency and over three and a half years as an attending physician, I had almost never seen anyone die of the flu. I could only remember one tragic pediatric case.
Based on the CDC numbers though, I should have seen many, many more. In 2018, over 46,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses. Over 36,500 died in traffic accidents. Nearly 40,000 died from gun violence. I see those deaths all the time. Was I alone in noticing this discrepancy?
I decided to call colleagues around the country who work in other emergency departments and in intensive care units to ask a simple question: how many patients could they remember dying from the flu? Most of the physicians I surveyed couldn’t remember a single one over their careers. Some said they recalled a few. All of them seemed to be having the same light bulb moment I had already experienced: For too long, we have blindly accepted a statistic that does not match our clinical experience.
The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.
if you look at the total number of deaths, hospitalizations etc. this year and use the same extrapolation method they use to estimate flu deaths, the reported number of COVID deaths would be far, far higher than it is.
all of this, by the way, matches my own experience as well. people are dying of covid here frequently, at one point we had a freezer truck in the parking lot for the bodies. I've seen one death from flu complications, ever
either flu deaths are overreported or covid deaths are underreported. or both. probably both.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
#26894567 - 08/22/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Covid is not as deadly as Spanish flu.
We have this nifty thing called tamiflu now. works pretty well.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26894569 - 08/22/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The first year of the 2009 swine flu epidemic, estimated Globally, an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 people died from swine flu in the first year of the pandemic.Mar 12, 2020.
That is one year, no virus is tracked the way we are supposedly tracking covid 19 and its deaths, yet you trust the numbers like it is exact and real, yet any other major epidemic we get some loose ass estimate,
Then news comes out people who shot themselves in the damn head were added to the death numbers, and you say eh just a mistake I mean I still trust the numbers lmao.
It's a damn cold virus, when the shit first broke out we were told we had a 80% chance of surviving, now its fucking under 99.5% chance that we will survive. Maybe even higher but you are all still acting like u have a 1/5th chance of dying because you fucking can't admit you were wrong initially.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: Ice9]
#26894571 - 08/22/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: By the by H3N2 was the prominent flu strain in 2017-18 and was not included in the vaccine.
That's great, we don't have a vaccine for covid 19 either, welcome to a bad flu season. That is it, it's just not a flu its a common cold style virus a novel one, and guess what, I had it and it was more mild than my last common cold I had in January,
You are scared of a damn common cold style virus that has some wild effects on elderly, I know we should quarantine everyone and force nursing homes to take covid patients, thats what should be done, and if you disagree well then call your congressmen cause that is what they're doing.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894574 - 08/22/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Oh and keep in mind, this data barely even accounts for all the people catching it and not even getting sick lmao.
It’s not a significant amount. 1/3 of covid cases are asymptomatic. The flu is 1/2.
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894575 - 08/22/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont really have to "trust the numbers", in fact I don't- I suspect the number of reported covid deaths is far lower than the number of actual covid deaths. I see people dying from covid. Like, literally see it. If it's my patient, I am literally the one doing postmortem care. If there is someone to "not trust", I guess it's me All I can say is I am telling you the truth
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894577 - 08/22/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aids has killed more people than any other virus, any other virus combined, its literally the number 1 killing machine in the virus world.
It is significantly more infectious through anal sex.
I know we should have a damn parade promoting gay anal sex and completely ignore this fact.
What a common cold virus, shut the world down, make nursing homes take covid patients and infect entire nursing homes.
2020 clown world HONK HONK
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894580 - 08/22/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894579 - 08/22/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Aids has killed more people than any other virus, any other virus combined, its literally the number 1 killing machine in the virus world.
It is significantly more infectious through anal sex.
I know we should have a damn parade promoting gay anal sex and completely ignore this fact.
What a common cold virus, shut the world down, make nursing homes take covid patients and infect entire nursing homes.
2020 clown world HONK HONK
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
#26894582 - 08/22/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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surprise surprise, a lot more people died from infectious disease before knowledge of soap, medicine, and vaccines
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#26894584 - 08/22/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where is the butt sex quarantine.
felatio allowed we must quarentine anal sex till AIds is under control.
What 25,000,000 dead and no one cares?
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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
#26894585 - 08/22/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said:
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budmanman said:
surprise surprise, a lot more people died from infectious disease before knowledge of soap, medicine, and vaccines 
Let me know how washing your hands protects you from aids.
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