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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26894312 - 08/22/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm drunk right now but I feel like I am having some sort of psychological episode. all I can see is all the vaccination signs all over the streets in the Philippines while I was there, and all the signs about Jesus. I was surrounded by endless propaganda signs everywhere. I mean they were very short phrased but .... so many hopeless people, in poverty on top of it, surrounded by propaganda, I just ignored all the Jesus stuff, but the vaccine propaganda at the time I agreed with, and I felt bad as I was wondering around, getting bit by all kinds of mosquito and seeing bugs I didn't even think existed, kids walking up to me with their hands out begging, its all really hitting my drunk ass and I am not OK with it.


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Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26894313 - 08/22/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So then there is nothing I can do to protect myself from dengue since i have never had it before. Well that fucking sucks. 
I mean there was a lot of more shit there than dengue  that wanted to kill me. But if I ever go back it would be nice to have some protections from some of the many dangers there.  Oh well I guess.

This really changes some of my perceptions of vaccines and my understanding of them and how they work. Petri dishes I guess are not 100% perfect evidence of how things pan out in the real world with immune systems and viruses interacting.




Ta da!

Presenting, hydroxychloroquine.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25321315/

I would imagine that it would be used as a preventive prophylactic for dengue virus. Also, can't forget that zinc.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26894318 - 08/22/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you think Covid is harmless, then I have no idea why you’d worry about dengue, which has a fatality rate about 1/50th that of covid.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26894321 - 08/22/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ive lost my job because of covid 19, iot was dumb to get into Aerospace I guess but covid 19 was unkown when i decided to stop working for the government and make 777x Aeroplane instead, I had no idea any of this was gonna happen. This mild virus has really fucked my wallet. I'd be fine if I kept my government job id be rich even so to speak. But I changed careers and now am unemployed. I hope that changes soon and all.

But right now my wifes family has a lot of medical problems and we really are not in a position to help financially. Her dad has a hernia and his intestines are in his scrotum. We can't do anything to help because things are not going great thanks to this virus. She also has a lot of brothers and sisters also having medical issues. It wouldn't matter if I still had my comfy government job or if the virus didn't destroy my change of career choice.

I am too drunk to be dealing with these thoughts right now. But my wifes family all live in the philippines right now and a lot of bad things are happening to them and at this current time due to our own situation of which I am doing everything I can to improve, we can't do much to help them.

her dads damn intestines are next to his balls and we can't help.

I wish people understood just how devastating the reaction to the virus is, it is so much worse than the virus itself.


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Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.


Edited by budmanman (08/22/20 09:16 PM)


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26894339 - 08/22/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Boeing was a dumpster fire even before the pandemic.

The virus was mild for you. Instead of whining about it, count yourself lucky that you aren’t one of the deaths that have added up to the largest excess mortality in decades in the US.

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wish people understood just how devastating the reaction to the virus is, it is so much worse than the virus itself.



I know one person who has lost their job due to the pandemic. There is no devastation, based on my personal experience. The reaction is mild. Just like the virus.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26894362 - 08/22/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Boeing was a dumpster fire even before the pandemic.

The virus was mild for you. Instead of whining about it, count yourself lucky that you aren’t one of the deaths that have added up to the largest excess mortality in decades in the US.




Careful. NYC is a big Apple that is rotting to its core these days. While a majority of states across US are seeing relatively low deaths. Especial in places where there have been near constant 'protest' like in Portland.

Can anyone imagine if nothing were done and hydroxychloroquine was given to those at risk, what our curve would look like.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894370 - 08/22/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Im guessing it would look roughly same, plus a bunch of pissed up lupus patients :shrug:


oh right right right I forgot "you gotta give it with zinc" :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894372 - 08/22/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

NYC is the safest place in the US these days.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
    #26894375 - 08/22/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Im guessing it would look roughly same, plus a bunch of pissed up lupus patients :shrug:


oh right right right I forgot "you gotta give it with zinc" :huxleyfacepalm:




I can get into those countries which are using HCQ, or we can end it here with you admitting that HCQ has potential in early treatments, with or without zinc.

Your call, I'm ready to go, many countries using HCQ.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26894378 - 08/22/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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NYC is the safest place in the US these days.




Do me a a favor and look up how many shooting have happened in NYC lately.

Please, koods?

For a virtual $1?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894381 - 08/22/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

nah I'm not really interested in arguing with you about HCQ. might have prophylactic benefits but even if it does, the idea of passing out indefinite prophylactic doses of HCQ to the literally millions of "at risk" people you mentioned is asinine, and there are good enough reasons for me to think we have safer and more effective alternatives for actually treating the disease.

I thought you were all about that herd immunity these days anyway


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
    #26894402 - 08/22/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Im guessing it would look roughly same, plus a bunch of pissed up lupus patients :shrug:


oh right right right I forgot "you gotta give it with zinc" :huxleyfacepalm:




I imagine we’d have a million covid deaths, and no malaria deaths .


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: morrowasted]
    #26894410 - 08/22/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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safer and more effective alternatives for actually treating the disease.

I thought you were all about that herd immunity these days anyway




HCQ is able to be given out on a massive scale, being a pill form. Also, being such an old drug, producing mass quantities shouldn't be much of an issue, depending on where they are manufactured. HCQ is proven safe at proper dosages.

I've been on that herd immunity train for some time now.

It's amazing to see such low numbers in places such as Portland where people have been gathering, mask or not, day and night, for over 70 days now. Have all those people been avoiding infection this entire time?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894418 - 08/22/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

handing out prophlactic meds pretty much indefinitely and herd immunity are very much mutually exclusive strategies lol

if you can even call herd immunity a strategy

it's more like just saying "eh, fuck it, what can ya do?" :lol:


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: budmanman]
    #26894419 - 08/22/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The vaccine won't be enough, we must wear masks and socially distance for 2 to maybe 3 or more years.




Maybe.      Maybe not.

60+ million Americans got H1N1 during the 2009-2010 pandemic, and that was never an option.

Americans were so comfortable with that pandemic, Obama and Biden decided to cancel testing.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26894424 - 08/22/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i'd trade another h1n1 pandemic for this bullshit any day, and time.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894431 - 08/22/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I propose a test of theory, a real simple sample size n=1.  HamHead takes his zinc, and is HCQ signs a waiver and allows as many infected people to lick is mouth, nose and eyes, essentially any mucosa they desire, cough in his face, make him breath it in deep into his lungs, for a total of 4 hours.  If after that you do not develop covid-19, i'll be all aboard your zinc,HCQ and azithromicin regimen.  Until you can proverbially put your money where your mouth is, shut up and stop making worthless, unfunny posts.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: HamHead]
    #26894435 - 08/22/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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NYC is the safest place in the US these days.




Do me a a favor and look up how many shooting have happened in NYC lately.

Please, koods?

For a virtual $1?




The homicide rate in NYC is significantly lower than the national average, even with the spike in violent crime. The city is still near multi-generationally low rates of homicide.

You have profoundly poor risk assessment skills. More people died of covid in Florida in the past two days than have been murdered in NYC this year. I’m not sure why a couple dozen extra murders is significant to someone who doesn’t care about the 170,000 covid victims.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26894436 - 08/22/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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budmanman said:

The vaccine won't be enough, we must wear masks and socially distance for 2 to maybe 3 or more years.




Maybe.      Maybe not.

60+ million Americans got H1N1 during the 2009-2010 pandemic, and that was never an option.

Americans were so comfortable with that pandemic, Obama and Biden decided to cancel testing.




Look up mortality figures for H1N1, the fact that 1/5 Americans got didn't mean shit.  I'd take that right now over this sars-nCov-2 any day of the fucking week.


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Re: The vaccine won't be enough. [Re: koods]
    #26894456 - 08/22/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

koods said:
NYC is the safest place in the US these days.




Do me a a favor and look up how many shooting have happened in NYC lately.

Please, koods?

For a virtual $1?




The homicide rate in NYC is significantly lower than the national average, even with the spike in violent crime. The city is still near multi-generationally low rates of homicide.

You have profoundly poor risk assessment skills. More people died of covid in Florida in the past two days than have been murdered in NYC this year. I’m not sure why a couple dozen extra murders is significant to someone who doesn’t care about the 170,000 covid victims.




200000+


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