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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: jcm4620]
    #26872139 - 08/09/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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can uncle bens do this






1. Yes
2. It
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(all within the past 72 hours btw)


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: LotKid]
    #26872141 - 08/09/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

PF tek is a waste of time. IMHO. I never did cakes... didnt see the point.
I remember when using agar was considered "advanced" and everyone was reccommending to get your feet under you by shooting spore solution into karo and water, first. :lol:


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: mushboy]
    #26872154 - 08/09/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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They are not complex. You are assuming they are complex because its unfamiliar. Like anything else in life you gotta learn and shortcuts do not cut it in the long run.




If these fail, I will learn. I just only need so many mushrooms at once,I can't eat that many.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26872168 - 08/09/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

People here like to rag on Uncle Ben's, and compared to PC'ing your own grain spawn would be a step backwards, but I don't think its so bad to try first.

As long as you understand its limitations (it is overhydrated grain, you cannot control any variables and you cannot fully see the colonizing/colonized grain) and are willing to try other methods if it fails, it's totally reasonable to try the cheapest and easiest way to shrooms first.

It seems like it works for some people, and maybe it will work for you too.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26872169 - 08/09/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: ItsaMeShroomio]
    #26872177 - 08/09/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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People here like to rag on Uncle Ben's, and compared to PC'ing your own grain spawn would be a step backwards, but I don't think its so bad to try first.

As long as you understand its limitations (it is overhydrated grain, you cannot control any variables and you cannot fully see the colonizing/colonized grain) and are willing to try other methods if it fails, it's totally reasonable to try the cheapest and easiest way to shrooms first.

It seems like it works for some people, and maybe it will work for you too.




Thanks, dude.. a breath of fresh air.

All I was concerned of is whether overuse of ozium near open bags would screw everything up.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26872194 - 08/09/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

no open bags not in a sab does


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: jcm4620]
    #26872206 - 08/09/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

By "open" I think he means having a corner sliced open and covered with micropore tape, which most of us would not call "open" any more than we would call a closed jar with micropore taped holes "open".


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: ItsaMeShroomio]
    #26872215 - 08/09/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

was it sliced open and taped in a sab??  no it wasnt so id call that open air inoculation


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: jcm4620]
    #26872229 - 08/09/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sure, and I agree that's a bad idea. It just seems like there is a bunch of talking past each other going on, which is partially coming from different understandings of the same words.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: ItsaMeShroomio]
    #26872232 - 08/09/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

well im out of breath good luck i tried to point ya in the right direction


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: ItsaMeShroomio]
    #26872282 - 08/09/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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By "open" I think he means having a corner sliced open and covered with micropore tape, which most of us would not call "open" any more than we would call a closed jar with micropore taped holes "open".



Right, this is what I mean.

And then I get a conflicting post (above this) where he says it's not okay, and I'm left to question whether the ozium was a bad idea (when I think he's trying to say the open air, in general, was a bad idea, and the ozium made no difference), this is the basis for all confusion in this thread. I still can't tell if the ozium was bad or not in terms of not causing contamination per se, but causing chemicals to seep into the spawn.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26872292 - 08/09/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

that chemicals seeping into spawn shit is all in your head. none of us were ever talking about that.

we were talking about doing open air inoculations with a ms syringe and a bag of uncle bens rice. the combination of those factors make this whole thing a really really bad idea. thats what was being communicated to you.

the other bit about eating the would be fruits is another subject. mushrooms dont uptake like plants they consume what they want/need and leave the rest. EVEN IF you damn ozium was toxic like you think it is it wouldnt really matter.

the main point is inocuating your bag of rice in the manner that you did. thats the issue.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: mushboy]
    #26872315 - 08/09/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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that chemicals seeping into spawn shit is all in your head. none of us were ever talking about that.

we were talking about doing open air inoculations with a ms syringe and a bag of uncle bens rice. the combination of those factors make this whole thing a really really bad idea. thats what was being communicated to you.

the other bit about eating the would be fruits is another subject. mushrooms dont uptake like plants they consume what they want/need and leave the rest. EVEN IF you damn ozium was toxic like you think it is it wouldnt really matter.

the main point is inocuating your bag of rice in the manner that you did. thats the issue.




I appreciate the upfrontedness. So, if I were to do a PF Tek for instance, do you recommend against this as well, because it is using a syringe?

What if I did the UB, but with a SAB? Do you still think it's not good?

At the moment, all that is viable for me is a syringe. Agars/whatnot are way too complex for me.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26872329 - 08/09/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

pf tek sab spore syringe 👍👍👍


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: rickomalley238]
    #26872352 - 08/09/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

mushboy said:
that chemicals seeping into spawn shit is all in your head. none of us were ever talking about that.

we were talking about doing open air inoculations with a ms syringe and a bag of uncle bens rice. the combination of those factors make this whole thing a really really bad idea. thats what was being communicated to you.

the other bit about eating the would be fruits is another subject. mushrooms dont uptake like plants they consume what they want/need and leave the rest. EVEN IF you damn ozium was toxic like you think it is it wouldnt really matter.

the main point is inocuating your bag of rice in the manner that you did. thats the issue.




I appreciate the upfrontedness. So, if I were to do a PF Tek for instance, do you recommend against this as well, because it is using a syringe?

What if I did the UB, but with a SAB? Do you still think it's not good?

At the moment, all that is viable for me is a syringe. Agars/whatnot are way too complex for me.




Let's see if I can solve this thread.

1. If you get mushrooms from these bags of uncle Ben's, then they will be 100% okay to eat. People have grown mushrooms out of way worse than rice sprayed with a bit of propylene glycol.

2. You can have success with your uncle bens tek if you use a SAB and ensure none of your syringes have contams.

The reason why people are giving you a hard time is because well no matter how much shit you spray in the air, unless you're in a vacuum, you're probably exposing your substrate to spores and bacteria.

We try to eliminate the contams by putting our shit into a still air box and for the more dedicated hobbyists, laminar flow hoods.

The problem with syringes is that they could be 100% great but more often than not are loaded with contams.

So, from everyone's perspective you've exposed a bunch of rice to a whole slew of contams and thats what they're trying to say.

For all we know, you're gonna have massive flushes and everything's gonna be great. But, since most of us have experience dealing with shit ways to grow and dealing with contams, we can only suggest that maybe the route you're taking isn't the best. There are a lot of options out there that aren't much more complicated than uncle Ben's.

It just depends on how much work you wanna put in. Like you're already at this point, so may as well go pick up a tote from home depot.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: jcm4620]
    #26872358 - 08/09/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

if you can only use a syringe the safest and easiest way to get fruits is making some kind of basic pf style cake and fruit the cake with a ziplock bag w/some holes.


you can make a pf style cake with all kinds of stuff. i made one with dirt from a flower pot and some brf. nothing else.

it was sterilized, you could steam with a stock pot, inside a wonton soup container.


once colonized i removed the lid and put in a chamber but you could easily use a bag with holes


waited for shrooms


ill take that over uncle bens any day... but one day ill try it for shitz.


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: mushboy]
    #26924011 - 09/08/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

This thread had me busting up laughing!!! :rofl2: Ozium & Uncle Bens FTL!


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Re: I am very worried, and debating tossing my bags because of ozium, advice appreciated from anyone experienced [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26924042 - 09/08/20 02:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The infamous Ozium thread I have been hearing about...

Rick, your a real peach! 🍑 Speaking of things that you can put in your mouth, I can't see a peach emoji and not shoot you my eggplant. 🍆 Open wide....🤤

UR🍑+🍆=🥳

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    #26924081 - 09/08/20 03:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Our boy has come so far in such a short time


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